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Halo MCC remasters voices in international markets.. by removing them.
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TheUnsunghero26
Member
No subtitles is really dumb.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Strange that no subs for Spain exist.
I'm lucky in this regard as a native British speaker. I have a few Swedish buddies who hate playing games in Swedish I figured that was a global thing and the majority just preffered English audio with local subs kind of how the wester market consume anime with dubs
I'm lucky in this regard as a native British speaker. I have a few Swedish buddies who hate playing games in Swedish I figured that was a global thing and the majority just preffered English audio with local subs kind of how the wester market consume anime with dubs
CambriaRising
Member
All Japanese games should always remain in Japanese with no localisation.
^ See how dumb that sounds. I support your cause OP. In a worldwide industry such as this it is important for each region and language to receive the utmost support when a game is sold there.
Droopaloop
Banned
Best of luck OP. I'm an American, and hearing your argument sounds infuriating. It's more or less just straight neglect. At least toss some subtitles in there.
Sounds like you're movement has caught some traction though, so here's to hoping it ends with a full, proper translation.
Sounds like you're movement has caught some traction though, so here's to hoping it ends with a full, proper translation.
How's your Chinese?
TheBlueBomber
Member
Yeah, because that's not ignorant at all
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Errr... sounds great? We are talking about voice acting, right? If that's the case then, yeah, native language and subs is best in most cases.
I am talking about English here. I would rather play any game in English rather than in its native language. And I am talking about dubs. I don't mind subs but they usually don't contain everything that was said, at least in television series.
Is Chinese a global language? Would you commonly encounter non-native Chinese speakers on your trip to Italy or Mexico?
Not really. It would be more ignorant not to learn any languages.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
The irony of this is that they majority of games you enjoyed growing up were translated from Japanese.
Smh.
^^
When was the last time you went to Italy? Bloody hell.
TheBlueBomber
Member
Sure, force people to assimilate so you don't have to do the extra work to translate so they can enjoy the same media we do but in their own language
I kinda feel your pain OP. I live in the Netherlands and I played the original Halo 2 last year and I was shocked that there weren't any subtitles outside of cutscenes. English is not my native language and while I have a good understanding of it, it's very hard to both focus on the action on the screen and listen to whatever dialogue is playing in the background. I missed about half of the story and had to read Wikis to get caught up.
I can only imagine how frustrating this must be to deaf players.
I really hope they fix this in the Collection for everyone whose native language is not English and so I support your cause!
I can only imagine how frustrating this must be to deaf players.
I really hope they fix this in the Collection for everyone whose native language is not English and so I support your cause!
Finland doesn't have a dubbing culture, when I was a kid probably 1% of games got translated into Finnish. So consuming media in English is the norm for me. I don't mind if there's an option to choose a different dub or sub language and I also don't mind if the game is only in English.
Eh, the only Japanese games I own are MGS series, FF12, GT5, DMC4 and Yakuza 3. So I'm not that into Japanese games. Yakuza 3 I'd rather play with Japanese VO because it is so Japanese. But that's probably one of the only exceptions for me.
Sometimes the money that goes into dubbing could be used better. Resistance 2 had a finnish dub, which was pretty awful. And I don't think there was any need for it because we don't dub our movies and tv shows we only have subtitles.
And I do agree with not having any subtitles is awful. I always have subtitles on when I play games or watch movies in case I miss what was said.
Yeah lol hopefully dubbing will never be a thing in Finland. Nobody would want that and there's no way it wouldn't be the worst thing ever recorded in human history haha.
I feel your pain op, inconsistency is a bitch. In an ideal world It should be standard to at least have every game subtitled to the native language (or multiple languages) and also have the option to use the original English subtitles/voice acting and not make that a pain in the ass to do. Halo 4 was subbed in Finnish and the only way to switch to English (which a lot of people here did) was to change your country in your profile. Hopefully they change that.
I feel your pain op, inconsistency is a bitch. In an ideal world It should be standard to at least have every game subtitled to the native language (or multiple languages) and also have the option to use the original English subtitles/voice acting and not make that a pain in the ass to do. Halo 4 was subbed in Finnish and the only way to switch to English (which a lot of people here did) was to change your country in your profile. Hopefully they change that.
I can almost understand the reasoning behind not doing a new dub. As once you've taken in all the costs (translation, casting, studio hire, director, actors, post production, implementation, creating the test builds, loc QA) you can be talking about a big chunk of money. But for such a big title you would expect it to sell enough to recoup those costs. Not having subtitles seems really strange, as the least you would expect is for the initial poor translation to be re-done and subs implemented which would be about a tenth of the costs of a full dub.
Seems like a strange decision from Microsoft, and not a good one for native Spanish speakers, Castilian and Latin American.
Seems like a strange decision from Microsoft, and not a good one for native Spanish speakers, Castilian and Latin American.
But it's a videogame not a learning tool, not everyone wants to learn a second language just to play a game.
If Microsoft wants to sell a product in a spanish speaking country they should translate it. Especially when they already have a translation that they would just copy and paste, even if it's just the subs.
So much this. Microsoft is one of the biggest multinational corporations out there, if they want to mass sell their products they should take good care of basic things such as localization.
As someone who is living in Germany, I can feel with you. German dubs are cringe worthy as well.
If anyone is to blame for bad localisation, it is the developer, though. I know for a fact, that these localisation studios aren't getting too much material to work with, which makes things like lip synchronisation impossible. Bad translation also happens, because the people translating it, don't know the context.
So yeah, instead of getting bad dubs, I would rather have the original language with or without subtitles, depending on the language.
Edit: I'm still losing my shit at "El jefe maestro" being (mexican-)spanish for Master Chief. :lol
If anyone is to blame for bad localisation, it is the developer, though. I know for a fact, that these localisation studios aren't getting too much material to work with, which makes things like lip synchronisation impossible. Bad translation also happens, because the people translating it, don't know the context.
So yeah, instead of getting bad dubs, I would rather have the original language with or without subtitles, depending on the language.
Edit: I'm still losing my shit at "El jefe maestro" being (mexican-)spanish for Master Chief. :lol
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Deleted member 30609
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Just posting to show my support. Good luck!
Let's not forget to vote, people. Microsoft said that they were trying to "justify" the dub depending on the support from the community:
>> Xbox Feedback votes
>> Change.org petition
>> Xbox Feedback votes
>> Change.org petition
Apparently so. Would be interesting to have Stinkles or someone from 343 (or Xbox, or Certain Affinity) shedding some light on this topic.
Zeouterlimits
Member
I'm sorry to hear that OP, definitely sympathetic.
I'm surprised about the subtitles, I wonder what technical reason [assuming] is so cost abhorrent that they chose to not do it.
I doubt it's a good enough reason, at least to consumers.
I'm surprised about the subtitles, I wonder what technical reason [assuming] is so cost abhorrent that they chose to not do it.
I doubt it's a good enough reason, at least to consumers.
As someone who grew up with stuff like this...
...I absolutely get what you're talking about. OmU über alles.
Still, without localisation there would be no market. Face it, the average German learns some base level English at school and then spends the rest of their lives trying to drink enough beer to kill the neurons that contain that knowledge.
We need a third section with "93, EU version".Bonus said:
Diprosalic
Banned
great news for me, Halo games were some of the only ones that didn't have multiple languages and the dubs were straight up horrible but i will support your cause.
I wish they reconsider it, having Halo 2 without a proper dub is nonsense nowadays. And in an IP like Halo... well, it's just plain ridiculous.
Orochinagis
Member
Oh come on, We mexicans had and still have to deal with your spanish dubs and regionalism in that era of gaming, MS just launched Halo 2 with mexican dub and you get so mad in that time, just deal with it like we do.
Even more we have to play Halo CEA in Spain dub, it wasnt a latinamerican dub. So I am fine to hear it in english rather to hear it in Spain
Even more we have to play Halo CEA in Spain dub, it wasnt a latinamerican dub. So I am fine to hear it in english rather to hear it in Spain
EchoChamber
Member
for me this is the most awful dubbed scene in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Ni4EXGetk#t=54
54-1:02
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Ni4EXGetk#t=54
54-1:02
for me this is the most awful dubbed scene in the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Ni4EXGetk#t=54
54-1:02
Not the worst to me, but yeah, definitely could use some better voice acting.
Orochinagis
Member
It was the one of the few opportunies in latinamerica in that time to dub a game so It was expected to sound bad.
This.
The true and sure way to get a company's attention.
I don't see why 343/MS would not provide proper support for this. Spanish is a very important global language.
We're not talking about the "latin" accent here. Halo 2's dub was horrible. I've heard Halo 3 and ODST in Latin and those were well dubbed games. Halo 2 wasn't, it had terrible voice acting.
But the solution is not removing the voices, the solution is exactly the same that Bungie did with future Halos: a proper Spanish dub for each region.
EchoChamber
Member
but the USA dubbed the game, not latinomerica
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
Hahahaha OMG, this is a disaster.
I remember back in the day when Halo 2 was released, it caused a HUGE shitstorm in Spain. Thats why Microsoft decided to not go the cheap wat next time and the rest of the games where dub correctly, like Halo 1 at first, and then the rest of the Halos after 2.
And they try to do the same shit again?
Hope this thread doesnt turn into latin spanish speakers saying suck it and deal with it. It hurts both sides.
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Too late.
Just fight like the rest if you want a dub in your own language, but don't fuck people over becuase you apparently dont like what you are getting. If you dont like castillian spanish in your dubs fight it to be in your own country one. The Halo 2 dub was not even latino american, it was some guys in Los Angeles doing a shitty dub.
I remember back in the day when Halo 2 was released, it caused a HUGE shitstorm in Spain. Thats why Microsoft decided to not go the cheap wat next time and the rest of the games where dub correctly, like Halo 1 at first, and then the rest of the Halos after 2.
And they try to do the same shit again?
Hope this thread doesnt turn into latin spanish speakers saying suck it and deal with it. It hurts both sides.
EDIT
Too late.
Just fight like the rest if you want a dub in your own language, but don't fuck people over becuase you apparently dont like what you are getting. If you dont like castillian spanish in your dubs fight it to be in your own country one. The Halo 2 dub was not even latino american, it was some guys in Los Angeles doing a shitty dub.
That's why the whole story seems absurd to me. It's amazing that they are going to make that same mistake twice.
Totally agreed, the OP says "this is not a post about accents" and we should keep the thread that way. But Disney and Microsoft learned the lesson and now movies and games are properly dubbed for Europe and America. And that just seems the right thing to do for massive international corporations like them.
Orochinagis
Member
You dont know how important was letting latin america get the chance to heard their own language in a game. Yes the voice acting can sound terrible and awful but it was a huge step for latinamerica and we had fun hearing emo chief or the marines speaking in mexican regionalisms rather than spain regionalism. I will be very sad to see reworked spain dub but not a latinamerican one
I was so dissapointed they dont added latinamerican voices for DLC firefight in Reach or the Spain dub for Halo CEA only available for spain regions consoles.
Of course! And I totally agree with you. Every region should get a proper localization, and I'm really glad that you guys got a decent dub for future Halos. That's why this thread is importante: Microsoft can't laugh at both regions again, they need to properly dub Halo 2 Anniversary for every region.
Halo 3 and ODST dubs in Portuguese are also horrendous. Things got better with Reach and Halo 4, but it's still nowhere near the quality that the franchise deserves.
But, with that said, I will always prefer to have the original English voice with subtitles. This was a problem on the 360, since the small DVD couldn't fit both the original and the dubbed language, but now with BluRay, it won't be a problem.
But, with that said, I will always prefer to have the original English voice with subtitles. This was a problem on the 360, since the small DVD couldn't fit both the original and the dubbed language, but now with BluRay, it won't be a problem.
Orochinagis
Member
I really hope Spain and Latinamerica get a proper sub or at least proper spanish subs (for each region)
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