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[Scrooged]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/

The reason for this recount is based on faulty research. This reeks of sour grapes and quite frankly it's embarrassing.

 

[Davide]

EDIT: I'm not sure why she listed PA. I think the deadline for a recount came and went this past Sunday.

There's really no hope then is there?

 

[Sydle]

Likely to cross 2 million tonight?

There's really no hope then is there?

I was wrong. It's the 28th.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/

The reason for this recount is based on faulty research. This reeks of sour grapes and quite frankly it's embarrassing.

a lot of posts in this thread will agree with you

still someone cared, it will happen

 

[Ashodin]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/

The reason for this recount is based on faulty research. This reeks of sour grapes and quite frankly it's embarrassing.

Worth noting that article has the caveat of stating that without a recount we would not know.

This is our chance to know!

 

[Poodlestrike]

It could easily lead to war on multiple fronts

Which is why if this goes through and if it turns up significant issues, no foreign power will be (publically) linked to it. Domestic stooges would get hell rained on them, and there'd be one hell of a reprisal, but nothing that would require a declaration of war. Nobody actually wants WW3.

 

[seat]

As much as I don't want Trump to be the president, the ramifications of finding fraud of the scale required to nullify his win would be devastating for democracy in the US. Possibly even worldwide, honestly.

If fraud is found and Clinton truly did win in these states, then we didn't win in a democracy to begin with and we need revolution. If not, no harm no foul, right? We need to stop being afraid. This is a cause worth donating.

 

[danm999]

You make it sound like that's the only thing she ever said about the comparison between Trump and Clinton.

I mean the only other thing I can find her saying is a Facebook post that between a vote for Hillary 'status quo' Clinton and a vote for Trump she's ready to protest on the streets in Trump's America.

If there's more where she's clearly saying Hillary is the better choice elsewhere I haven't seen it, but am happy to be corrected.

 

[Skellig Gra]

How? If there is voter fraud going on in this country, it needs to be investigated. Even if it turns out there was no fraud and the recount does little, it gives some people a sense of closure.

How could anyone be against a recount? What have we got to lose???

You have to lose your hard earned money. This is just throwing it away and will provide no closure for anyone. At this point there is 0 evidence of fraud.

 

[ishibear]

If fraud is found and Clinton truly did win in these states, then we didn't win in a democracy to begin with and we need revolution. If not, no harm no foul, right? We need to stop being afraid. This is a cause worth donating to.

Fucking thank you.

I simply cannot deal with the passive attitude towards this. This country has been through some shit. Going through it again should be expected.

You have to lose your hard earned money. This is just throwing it away and will provide no closure for anyone. At this point there is 0 evidence of fraud.

Who are you to say what constitutes as closure for some people? The people donating I'm sure are well aware that things can go in the opposite direction.

 

[StickSoldier]

Dang man, this country is gonna be even more divided after this happens, ain't we? Whew, I'm wondering how this is gonna turn out. Honestly surprised that people are going for it as it seems out of reach, but you never know what could happen until it's tried. Feels almost as crazy as Donald Trump becoming POTUS!

 

[Tall4Life]

This seems bizarre as she openly admitted to supporting Trump over Hillary in her Facebook post. To me, it looks more like an attention grab in an attempt to stay relevant. You made the bed so lay in it.

 

[Ashodin]

You have to lose your hard earned money. This is just throwing it away and will provide no closure for anyone. At this point there is 0 evidence of fraud.

I don't see the harm if you're donating only some of your money, something you would use on say like a discounted game or something. Something like this is more useful to me.

 

[Scrooged]

Worth noting that article has the caveat of stating that without a recount we would not know.

This is our chance to know!

Since when are recounts done based on such little evidence of any actual wrongdoing? Is this a 'just in case' recount? That's ridiculous and has no precedence.

 

[Skellig Gra]

I don't see the harm if you're donating only some of your money, something you would use on say like a discounted game or something. Something like this is more useful to me.

I'm not going to tell you how to spend your disposable income. What I am concerned about are the people who can't afford to donate money but doing it anyway in a fools hope for a 0.1% chance fraud is found. No responsible politician would ever back something like this.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

1.9M

 

[ishibear]

I'm not going to tell you how to spend your disposable income. What I am concerned about are the people who can't afford to donate money but doing it anyway in a fools hope for a 0.1% chance fraud is found. No responsible politician would ever back something like this.

Jesus people can't even spend money on what they want to anymore. Whether they can afford it or not is their own business.

And now every politician who supports this is irresponsible? How? For looking out for voters and ensuring their votes count?

 

[Ashodin]

Since when are recounts done based on such little evidence of any actual wrongdoing? Is this a 'just in case' recount? That's ridiculous and has no precedence.

It's not, it's based on the statistical anomalies other election integrity people have raised concerns about.

I'm not going to tell you how to spend your disposable income. What I am concerned about are the people who can't afford to donate money but doing it anyway in a fools hope for a 0.1% chance fraud is found. No responsible politician would ever back something like this.

You're not telling me. I'm telling you that the likelihood of people donating to this cause more money than they have are likely to be few and far between.

What we do find in this is the question. We can't ask the question if we don't have the courage first.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

that last 100k took like what 20 minutes?

lol

She might hit 2.2 by midnight Pacific Time I guess that would be all 3 States at that point

 

[Skellig Gra]

Jesus people can't even spend money on what they want to anymore. Whether they can afford it or not is their own business.

And now every politician who supports this is irresponsible? How? For looking out for voters and ensuring their votes count?

They are irresponsible by asking people to pay for it themselves when there is almost no chance of success.

 

[gamechanger87]

So they are going to recount the votes that were counted. Are people really expecting fraud to the extent of tens of thousands of Clinton votes to magically show up?

Despite the lack of any indication of hacking ( as confirmed by the guys who were in the hacking story) this will not be an audit and tear down of every machine.

What do people think actually happens in a recoun?

 

[Ashodin]

There are many things that could happen. The idea is to get it started so we can find out if there's anything there or not. It's basically the age old "You won't know until you try."

 

[Calamari41]

Jesus people can't even spend money on what they want to anymore. Whether they can afford it or not is their own business.

And now every politician who supports this is irresponsible? How? For looking out for voters and ensuring their votes count?

People are being sold false hope, and those of us who can see that find it distasteful.

High profile recounts which involved actual high numbers of known contested ballots being entered into the totals only changed the deficit by hundreds of votes. Florida 2000, Minnesota 2008, etc. The idea that a recount of an uncontested vote would make up a 10,000 vote deficit, much less a 60,000 vote deficit, is absolutely crazy and for people to raise money based on that hope is wrong.

 

[The Chosen One]

They are irresponsible by asking people to pay for it themselves when then is almost no chance of success.

Success is the recount itself.

I think a lot of people are donating just for closure, not necessarily to uncover a grand conspiracy.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

I wish I could earn 100K every 20 minutes almost at 2.0 already

So they are going to recount the votes that were counted. Are people really expecting fraud to the extent of tens of thousands of Clinton votes to magically show up?

Despite the lack of any indication of hacking ( as confirmed by the guys who were in the hacking story) this will not be an audit and tear down of every machine.

What do people think actually happens in a recoun?

Best case scenario? That would be nothing happens the numbers are pretty much the same or a perfect match

worst thing that could happen is fraud is found and Hillary won 1 or more of those states
the shitstorm would be super ugly

I did not donate for a Hillary victory I donated because these kind of things need to happen to make sure there are no questions and the popcorn of watch Trump reaction is gold

 

[Ashodin]

Almost to 2 mil!

 

[MGrant]

.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Holy shit haha haha this is faster than I would have expected goddamn

 

[maruchan]

My dad just donated 50 bucks,

 

[RedHill]

.

The recount is happening homie

 

[Scrooged]

There are many things that could happen. The idea is to get it started so we can find out if there's anything there or not. It's basically the age old "You won't know until you try."

This is not why recounts happen. People are so insanely mad that Trump won they are grasping at the smallest straws ever with shit like this. It's kinda sad really. Everyone here would be lambasting anyone who would try the same thing if Trump lost, and rightfully so.

 

[Ashodin]

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Meme magic will only get you so far.

Recount is happening.

This is not why recounts happen. People are so insanely mad that Trump won they are grasping at the smallest straws ever with shit like this. It's kinda sad really. Everyone here would be lambasting anyone who would try the same thing if Trump lost, and rightfully so.

You can't equate. Trump losing and doing so would obviously be hilarious and lambast worthy because it's Trump. You're basically saying that he's the same as Clinton. Except it's not Clinton doing the recount. It's Jill Stein's people. It has no implications whatsoever for Hillary except beyond shenanigans happening.

 

[DopeyFish]

even though im hopeful for the 3 state recount

what i expect is this:

Recount in Wisconsin
Denied in MI, Denied in PA

 

[Vestal]

So they are going to recount the votes that were counted. Are people really expecting fraud to the extent of tens of thousands of Clinton votes to magically show up?

Despite the lack of any indication of hacking ( as confirmed by the guys who were in the hacking story) this will not be an audit and tear down of every machine.

What do people think actually happens in a recoun?

Machine recounts are known to give different results every time they are run. They are imperfect. Now the variations would not be so wild as to switch a total by such a large percentage but keep the following in mind.

In 2000 Bush was ahead by roughly 1,784k votes. After the mandatory machine recount the AP had Bush up by 362 votes.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

even though im hopeful for the 3 state recount

what i expect is this:

Recount in Wisconsin
Denied in MI, Denied in PA

how did you reach this?

 

[The Chosen One]

Despite the lack of any indication of hacking ( as confirmed by the guys who were in the hacking story) this will not be an audit and tear down of every machine.

What do people think actually happens in a recoun?

Russian hackers actually did interfere with voting machines in the Ukrainian elections, so it's not beyond their ability.

Russian hackers clearly were targeting Hilary Clinton and the DNC throughout the US Presidential campaign.

Because of those two things, I wouldn't mind seeing an audit on a sampling of voting machines just to be sure that there wasn't any attempts. If there were attempts, I don't think it was widespread enough to affect the actual results, but it would be interesting to see just how far the hacking attempts went.

If this recount doesn't include an audit of some of the voting machines, then yes this is a pretty pointless exercise because it wouldn't even uncover hacking attempts. It's just going to give you mostly the same count from election night.

 

[Hyperactivity]

This shit going at shenmue 3 speeds now haha

 

[RedHill]

2 milli

 

[DopeyFish]

how did you reach this?

PA : http://theincline.com/2016/11/23/a-pennsylvania-recount-for-clinton-a-nightmare-scenario-explained/

MI: https://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(d...5))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-116-1954-XXXIII.pdf

 

[Hellwarden]

This isn't gonna show anything, but people are free to spend their money how they want.

That said, I'm kinda surprised recounts don't happen automatically when a candidate wins only the electoral vote.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

that 2M came fast

lets get to that 2.2 for 3 states

and 2.5 for the WiiU

 

[Concept17]

2m

 

[MIMIC]

 

[SS4Gogita]

Over 2 million now.

Wisconsin: $1.1 million by Nov 25 Almost there!
Pennsylvania: $.5 million by Nov 28
Michigan: $.6 million by Nov 30

It's also worth noting that on the site it says that 2 million alone is needed for Wisconsin. Or perhaps it's a bit of word finagling since she also mentions the deadline. Either way it's confusing.

 

[Ashodin]

This isn't gonna show anything, but people are free to spend their money how they want.

That said, I'm kinda surprised recounts don't happen automatically when a candidate wins only the electoral vote.

Shit takes time and manpower breh

 

[Smiles and Cries]

PA : http://theincline.com/2016/11/23/a-pennsylvania-recount-for-clinton-a-nightmare-scenario-explained/

MI: https://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(d...5))/documents/mcl/pdf/mcl-116-1954-XXXIII.pdf

interesting I guess we should know by this time next week tho

 

[HarryKS]

A fool and his money....

 

[Skellig Gra]

Success is the recount itself.

I think a lot of people are donating just for closure, not necessarily to uncover a grand conspiracy.

How does this get any closure?I don't really get it, honestly.

 

[Ashodin]

A fool and his money....

It's not like we're donating to PENTAGOD

 

[Smiles and Cries]

that is moving really fast