I could write essays (and pretty much have) on how a lot of the criticisms if the DC films are objectively wrong.
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I could write essays (and pretty much have) on how a lot of the criticisms if the DC films are objectively wrong.
What did he mean by this?
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How did people care about Rey or Finn or Kylo Ren before Force Awakens came out
Those little piano cues are straight from the MoS theme. It's gorgeous
I for one couldn't give a shit about any of the characters in Ocean's Eleven. /s
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If the movie is good, you will care about them. I think people care about Superman, WW, and even Batman. Korey is clearly a Marvel guy. His complains about now knowing the villain are just stupid.
Also the GAF does not represent the whole interweb. Elsewhere online people seem very excited.
Dash_Riprock
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Too bad only one film in the DCEU deserves to even be called good.
Critic reviews and 2nd weekend drops suggests otherwise for Supes and Bats.
I'm a DC fan and even I had to be reminded who Steppenwolf was. Imagine the more casual fan who probably hasn't even heard of Darksyde.
ROFLMFAO I heard this EXACT same bullshit line right before BvS came out...
People are complaining that we don't know the villain? Why would that be a negative? It's an invasion, aliens are coming. A big dude narrated the last trailer and you see him being a badass. What more do you need
Basically. The way we've turned discussing these movies into team sports has gotten in the way of criticizing them. And that's regardless of what company whose logo appears before the title screen.
Their CG complaint is fine. The CG doesn't bother me all that much, but I can see where it's a problem for others.
The complaints that they've shown nothing but "quips and fights" are pretty off base. One, that's basically how these kinds of movies are marketed. Two, we've seen over the trailers snippets of conversations. Bruce talking about Superman, Diana meeting Cyborg, Alfred expressing fear over how the world has changed. It's clear we're going to get more of those character moments. The desire to "already like the characters" again comes from the comparison to Marvel and The Avengers, where we were already exposed to everyone. And even then, they admit to liking Aquaman and Wonder Woman from what we've seen. So I really wasn't getting way it was such a big sticking point in the video.
I'll say it forever and a day, but there's no chance a Marvel film as slated as Suicide Squad or BvS makes half as much money as either of those films made. People give DC the benefit of the doubt.
Might just be the cutest thing I've ever seen.
People also complained they didn't know why Batman and Superman are pissed of with each other, a few years prior they also complained about all the MoS collateral damage. Why would Batman be upset at a child left orphaned as well as his friends and work colleagues left killed or injured?Heaven knows! Why would Superman judge a teched out fascist that scares some people walking the streets at night?
What annoys me most about these dumb criticisms is that I fear we will be left with worst films as a result. I don't know how good David Ayers original cut of Suicide Squad was but look at how many people complained about BVS being too dark and how it neutered a lot of the final product in Suicide Squad. Leaked footage showed The Joker smacking Harley around, Margot Robbie talking about co dependency in an abusive relationship, allusions and descriptions of the more villainous aspects of the Squad in the novelisation based on a early shooting script. People complained the Joker/ Harley romance was sanitised, and the squad were too nice and it would have been interesting to see new and darker themes explored.
Hell I can give an example using the Marvel films of how complaints affect using the films though arguably for the better depending on your view. The Avengers movie was spared a lot of the complaints regarding collateral damage purely cos the script allowed them to be able to save people, whilst MOS showed Superman to be incapable of taking people away from the fighting. The damage in MOS lead to expectations in audiences where they'd apply extra scrutiny to superhero fights and the Avengers are shown taking extra steps to prevent collateral damage and the Avengers are even shown to be unable to save people. This leads to discussion about the role Avengers play in the world (Sokovia accords). That's a positive but then it leads to and the writers having to find creative excuses to have them flight in an empty area (airport was evacuated cos they saw Iron Man or some shit). I feel the genre should be pushed forward and dumb criticism will stifle it since producers may be more risk averse and learn the wrong lessons.
PhantomX1313
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Holy shit I'm dead
PhantomX1313
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This is Amazing I can actually feel them all standing looking at Steppenwolf and Aquaman saying 'oh Yeah!
BadAss2961
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Pretty much all the evidence you need to kill the notion that people don't care about DC characters. DC is loaded, and there's no restrictions for WB. The movies have done alright regardless of critical reception because the characters are that big.
Don't mistake the Disney/Marvel machine for the average person actually giving a shit about the characters. You're not gonna see ensemble/supporting characters turned breakout cultural stars like Harley Quinn over there. They just don't have it.
MegaManTrigger
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Agreed. I think I like this version even more, idk what it is. It just sounds glorious.
inspectah derek
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PhantomX1313
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The Physics of Cyborg is just brilliant the way he's flying with blue thrusters bursting out of his various sides is some next level dopeness
PhantomX1313
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Plus the texture of Aquaman's suit sets cleanly with the invasion tone and with the personality that Momoa carries it's like just Bread on butter
MHWilliams
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As I've said many times, WB/DC's ceiling is much higher than Marvel's. They just keep making films that don't resonate with audiences.
Deadpool is the exact same thing as Harley Quinn. The list of breakout, culturally relevant characters at both publishers since the early days is exceedingly small. You argue against poor argumentation with your own.
Kenzodielocke
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Character's interacting with each other > obvious cgi shit going down
Hopefully this movie has like only 20-30 minutes of cgi mess.
Hopefully this movie has like only 20-30 minutes of cgi mess.
PhantomX1313
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Here this is what I'm talking about the scope of the fight they're going with this is on unseen level
Here this is what I'm talking about the scope of the fight they're going with this is on unseen level
Please tell me cyborgs CGI still isn't finished because JFC
Thats so cool about him. He is us.
I acts like how we would react when we suddenly saw the batsignal. Cant wait for him to meet Superman. Thats gonna be awesome.
CaviarMeths
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Alright fine, WB. I'll watch this shit. Just put my family on the phone for a minute so I know they're unharmed.
PhantomX1313
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I don't know who these guys are but you just have no sense what you said nearly every DCEU movie have them saving saving ppl right from start to the finish and that's what drives our caring of them because if not what's the whole point spitting jokes, review your words bro
PhantomX1313
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WHAT THESE GUYS ARE GOING FOR 'ITS FUCKING SAVE PPL LIVES' THIS RIGHT HERE MAKES US CARE ABOUT THEM OKAY SO NO BULLSHIT
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I'd wait abit before making that statement. While Harley Quinn has a lot of agency and character development in the comics/cartoons to the general public she's still a sexy female Joker in the Batman universe. DC has a deep bench of relatively unknown supporting characters but I'm curious who the next breakout cultural star is gonna be. They have a good chance with Aqua Man and they seems to be pushing Cyborg pretty hard so who knows.
Also Deadpool has been said but it'd be silly to mention Marvel not having breakout supporting characters without mentioning Guardians of the Galaxy.
good to see you are all still obnoxious man children
incapable of enjoying movies without using them to defend your favorite large media conglomerate
why cant good movies just be good and bad movies be bad?
anyway, i hope Cavill comes back as a recognizable Superman. reading his greatest hits has really made me love the character.
incapable of enjoying movies without using them to defend your favorite large media conglomerate
why cant good movies just be good and bad movies be bad?
anyway, i hope Cavill comes back as a recognizable Superman. reading his greatest hits has really made me love the character.
bob_arctor
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Never heard of him either. Who the hell is "Darksyde"?
PhantomX1313
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JL trailer heroes cover is not found able at all I google tf out
Grey Thanos.
bob_arctor
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Don't you mean Thanose?
Kill Your Masters
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Personally I don't care about any of them. Because Flash is new. And Aquabro too. I don't know them, I cannot care about them. The origin stories are missing.
Batman saved like Martha because shes Martha, other than that he came of as an old grumpy dude on a killing spree. I don't know why so I cannot care about him being grumpy because we saw a costume for 2 seconds that had "hahaha jokes on you" written on it. And if you have to explain to me now why I should care, or if I have to research why Batman acts like that and why I should care, then the movie didn't really do a good job at making me care.
The difference between DCEU and Marvel is that DC is basically the reverse-flash of the cinematic universes. They do all backwards. There is no real introduction to Batman, or Steppenwolf, no build up to the super villain through multiple movies except for a few seconds in BvS. They are Marvel-on-steroids and try and go through the emotions in 1/10th of what it took marvel and do the necessary character building later.
It's like you want to bake the same cake like your competitor but in less time so you crank up the oven, but what you get is a burned cake.
The only character I can care about is Superman because he had his origin movie, but the character is totally botched even though Cavill, if given the chance by a good director, could totally nail it.
Imagine this being Gina Carano 😂😂 fucking internet.
What good is that for Marvel when they seem obsessed with throwing any believable character trait or backstory through the window with the obligatory cringeworthy over the top no-stakes action sequence followed by a predictable quip?
Then again the DCEU had Superman die in his second movie only to be revived in the following one. Out-nostaking the entire MCU with 2 movies. But what can you expect from Snyder.
Who the fuck can even remotely care about what happens to Superman now if he literally revived after being pierced through with a fucking cryptonite spear?
I mean how utterly horrible of a screenwriter/director you must be to go ahead with that in a second movie. Snyder/10.
Yeah because the most essential thing they had to nail with Wonder Woman was being able to be a cute blushy 100 years old girl. "fucking internet" that only tolerates women being anime pretty and having model-like features, indeed.
True. Aquaman and especially Flash origins being relegated to an ensemble movie is just embarrassing.
Is this gif in the movie
If it is I swear the entire thing is redeemed
If it's just some instagram shit you're dead to me
Gal Gadot is amazing. The saving grace of the DCEU.
What the hell does any of this even mean
"He looks cool!"
I'm finding peoples responses to this to be borderline creepy.
You worry about general audience not knowing/caring about a villain or characters that are new in the movie? Well, that's what the movie is for - to introduce characters and make you care for them (or fear them) while telling the story. Whether it does it well, is another problem.
It still impress me that there are people who thinks the Marvel way (give each character an origin story before you let him/her fight with others, tease a villain for few movies before finally giving him the time to shine) is the only way to do franchise movies. Otherwise "I don't care about those new characters because no origin" or "casual fans haven't heard of him".
I've just rewatched The Fellowship of the Ring recently and that movie: introduced you to high fantasy world, gave you the whole Middle Earth backstory, introduced 8 brand new characters (and a fuckton of others) that you would then follow for the next two movies. And somehow people managed to not be overwhelmed and managed to care; even people who up until then weren't really interested in fantasy genre at all.
But with comic book movies? You have to have an origin story, because otherwise how could possibly people get those deep characters and their deep, noteworthy backstories.
Well, she's cute. And whoever montaged that trailer sure knew what he/she is doing putting that clip there.
Wonder Woman making that face, in her full battle dress, doesn't seem to fit to me. Battle smirks make sense, but I don't know about cutesy expressions.
If I didn't know better I'd think it was behind the scenes Gal Gadot footage.
I giggled for 5 minutes straight when I read this.