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[DAREALGUMMY]

dayum they got banned :O, the topic was worthwhile, too bad the pics got them in trouble.

It wasn't really. I mean, the OP's anyways.

 

[Rickenslacker]

oh no mine eyes of purity have gazed upon ye nudee male bits, i shan't recover from this...

There's a difference here though:

Outcry got Vaan's design changed in the sequel whereas Cidney's design stays the same. This isn't even the first instance in which this has happened either in Final Fantasy. http://kotaku.com/square-changes-final-fantasy-character-to-show-less-but-1695940250

Square made it a point to change his design because of fan outcry.

However, when questioned about Cindy's design, the character designer had this to say:

I don't think Vaan looking different in the sequel is a good point of comparison to them not changing the design of Cindy before release. FFX-2 featured new designs for past characters, same for FFXIII-2 and 3. Vaan wasn't bad because he was sexualized or something, he just looked stupid and had weird painted on leathery mutant abs.

 

[Tyaren]

I want to live in the timeline where Marvelous actually developed this title beyond an April Fools joke:

They kinda did...

...it flopped. :/

 

[Apple Turnover]

Is that a word you just invented hahaha?

Nope

 

[Platy]

They said sexy, not sexualized. And they are undeniably sexy to a large group of people.

 

[Yoshimitsu126]

I can't be the only one who thought this would be another Breath of the Wild thread starring Gerudo Link.

 

[RustyNails]

What did I miss? Did someone post balls and buttholes in here? lol

 

[Grakl]

The thought of butt #3 will stay with me for years. God damn.

They were some niceass butts

 

[Shizuka]

They kinda did...

...it flopped. :/

A title where you control a man that motorboats women after a fight is not what I expect out of a male Senran Kagura title.

 

[F0rneus]

Nope

Feeling really shitty about never seeing this show.

 

[Poor GRIMES]

oh no mine eyes of purity have gazed upon ye nudee male bits, i shan't recover from this...

I don't think Vaan looking different in the sequel is a good point of comparison to them not changing the design of Cindy before release. FFX-2 featured new designs for past characters, same for FFXIII-2 and 3. Vaan wasn't bad because he was sexualized or something, he just looked stupid and had weird painted on leathery mutant abs.

Here's the thing, though. Vaan looks just as stupid as gratuitously sexualized character designs like Quiet, Cindy, etc. But you don't have developers doubling down and defending their choices on male sexualization versus the sexualization of their female characters.

There was backlash against Yuna and Rikku's design as well, yes. But the developer isn't going to respond to it with anything other than apathy in comparison to when intentionally sexualized male designs are criticized.

 

[Theosmeo]

rip the butts loooooooooool

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I missed butts. Unfortunate.

 

[Giever]

Well, that's what they said in the bit you responded to anyway!

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

They were some niceass butts

 

[Opa-Pa]

RIP OP they just wanted male 2B hole.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

well this was not what i expected and that second pic was definitely balls

i came into this thread thinking it would be a whataboutism trying to discredit critique of female representation and that was... not what we got lmao

 

[Kangi]

I can't be the only one who thought this would be another Breath of the Wild thread starring Gerudo Link.

It should be. It should be.

 

[WickedLaharl]

Vaan was placed as the lead of FFXII because of focus testing his sex appeal to the general female Japanese gamer demographic. In literally every thread, he's shit on for his "shoddy design." Conversely, within the same series, Cindy's equally laughable design is handwaved.

The cindy being handwaved part of your post is a little fantasy of your own making.

 

[wanderingprostheyltite]

Nuts

 

[antibolo]

Did OP get banned for this thread?

I guess not, considering the thread itself is not locked?

 

[Garrett Hawke]

The cindy being handwaved part of your post is a little fantasy of your own making.

is it?

the developers literally received feedback that she was too exposed (it was one of the top complaints in europe!) and they just said that wasn't the intention and left her as she was. :lol

 

[Drillary Clinton]

Did OP get banned for this thread?

I guess not, considering the thread itself is not locked?

He definitely got banned via butthole

 

[Yoshimitsu126]

Nuts

This post made me realize how grateful I am for iPhone's 3D touch.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Really?

The generations are different, it's not as easy to change things like that through patches because FF12 is a PS2 game.

In this day and age, it would have been pretty easy to change her design somewhat if we're going to go by backlash from the fanbase. This was evidenced when the Mobius design was changed after backlash. Therefore, if there was a significant amount of backlash against Cidney's design then Square could have done something to change it. That's not the case though, they doubled down on her design and outright defended it.

Dude Vaan has the same exact design in the HD remake and in Revenant Wings. The idea that outcry is what changed it in FFT: A2 is completely unsupported. Your point about Mobius is the only valid one

I can't tell if OP was being an idiot or somehow thought he was above following the TOS for some reason. Like what did he expect to happen?!

 

[F0rneus]

He definitely got banned via butthole

2Banned

 

[MoogleMan]

I just wish fat men had ANY positive portrayal, especially in homoromantic situations.

Society does not like fat people.
Source: direct experience.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Did OP get banned for this thread?

I guess not, considering the thread itself is not locked?

the op originally included 4 imgur links, 3 of which were just ass pics and then there was one which was butt + balls from behind.

 

[Rickenslacker]

Here's the thing, though. Vaan looks just as stupid as gratuitously sexualized character designs like Quiet, Cindy, etc. But you don't have developers doubling down and defending their choices on male sexualization versus the sexualization of their female characters.

There was backlash against Yuna and Rikku's design as well, yes. But the developer isn't going to respond to it with anything other than apathy in comparison to when intentionally sexualized male designs are criticized.

But the thing with Vaan wasn't what he was wearing or anything, he just looked weird, and in a cast full of cool characters it was disappointing to have that goober given the spotlight despite the game actually putting the limelight on Ashe and Basch. They could've given Basch the attire and been better off (or not have Vaan looking like he just came out of a radioactive waste swim).

But I don't think we have too many examples of good male sexualization in the first place, let alone how the criticism for that is treated versus the criticism of female sexualization. For what it's worth though Square-Enix hasn't only changed Wol's look, but Bravely Default had design changes for the female characters when being localized.

 

[Iva Demilcol]

Is the character of FF Mobius called Vaan as well?

Wasn't he Wal?

I mean Vaan from FFXII got changed from FFXII to FFTA2, or are they going to change it in the FFXII rerelease and I missed that somehow?

 

[HeelPower]

I just wish fat men had ANY positive portrayal, especially in homoromantic situations.

The only one I can think of is Bob from Tekken.

Bob is a legit competent overweight fighter who isnt a joke character,rather his skinny version is the joke.

 

[Drillary Clinton]

But the thing with Vaan wasn't what he was wearing or anything, he just looked weird, and in a cast full of cool characters it was disappointing to have that goober given the spotlight despite the game actually putting the limelight on Ashe and Basch. They could've given Basch the attire and been better off (or not have Vaan looking like he just came out of a radioactive waste swim).

But I don't think we have too many examples of good male sexualization in the first place, let alone how the criticism for that is treated versus the criticism of female sexualization. For what it's worth though Square-Enix hasn't only changed Wol's look, but Bravely Default had design changes for the female characters when being localized.

I think they mostly changed those BD looks not because the girls were overly sexualized but because they were underage.

 

[13ruce]

That's why i like adult Link from the Legend of Zelda i have the same body type as him.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Is the character of FF Mobius called Vaan as well?

Wasn't he Wal?

I mean Vaan from FFXII got changed from FFXII to FFTA2, or are they going to change it in the FFXII rerelease and I missed that somehow?

No, they aren't, because his new costume had absolutely nothing to do with "fan outcry", which had little to do with his costume in the first place, and everything to do with him being a lame

 

[Replicant]

Speaking of butts, I love how unashamedly exploitative Fallout 4 was with its male butt gaze. Those buns just bounce all over as you run all over the Commonwealth:

https://youtu.be/ig1_ZnxDneY?t=58s

 

[Rickenslacker]

I think they mostly changed those BD looks not because the girls were overly sexualized but because they were underage.

Weren't they aged up in the NA release anyway?

 

[Poor GRIMES]

Dude Vaan has the same exact design in the HD remake and in Revenant Wings. The idea that outcry is what changed it in FFT: A2 is completely unsupported. Your point about Mobius is the only valid one

I can't tell if OP was being an idiot or somehow thought he was above following the TOS for some reason. Like what did he expect to happen?!

I brought Vaan up because the developers had a pattern in how they addressed male sexualization of their characters. When I look at the reception towards Vaan's design and his change in FFTA2 and compare it to what recently happened in Mobius, there's a lot of similarities there.

But the thing with Vaan wasn't what he was wearing or anything, he just looked weird, and in a cast full of cool characters it was disappointing to have that goober given the spotlight despite the game actually putting the limelight on Ashe and Basch. They could've given Basch the attire and been better off (or not have Vaan looking like he just came out of a radioactive waste swim).

But I don't think we have too many examples of good male sexualization in the first place, let alone how the criticism for that is treated versus the criticism of female sexualization. For what it's worth though Square-Enix hasn't only changed Wol's look, but Bravely Default had design changes for the female characters when being localized.

I was under the impression that they changed the skimpy clothing to avoid any problems with the ESRB. I think they changed the character's ages as well to avoid any further claims that they're promoting sexualization of minors in their video game. While I think that's a good example to refute my point, it's upsetting that they didn't take the same cues when responding to Cindy's unfortunate design.

 

[Crayon]

I never found Vaan strange looking.

Hammerpants tucked into stainless motocross boots. Nipple vest. Cumberbun. Integrated turquoise talismans. Seems reasonable.

 

[Drillary Clinton]

Weren't they aged up in the NA release anyway?

I mean yeah but they still look like kids

I never found Vaan strange looking.

Hammerpants tucked into stainless motocross boots. Nipple vest. Cumberbun. Integrated turquoise talismans. Seems reasonable.

I think the biggest problem was just how his abs looked. Like... I remember other characters having abs that didn't look like trapezoids in that game.

 

[Rickenslacker]

I never found Vaan strange looking.

Hammerpants tucked into stainless motocross boots. Nipple vest. Cumberbun. Integrated turquoise talismans. Seems reasonable.

That's because that's in Dissidia where he does look good. This is how he looked in FFXII:

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I never found Vaan strange looking.

Hammerpants tucked into stainless motocross boots. Nipple vest. Cumberbun. Integrated turquoise talismans. Seems reasonable.

Wearing this to the club tomorrow night. Will post results.

 

[AESplusF]

Conversely, within the same series, Cindy's equally laughable design is handwaved.

You've got to be shitting me, that shit derailed every FFXV thread for like a year.

 

[MsKrisp]

Nuts

How did you find this so fast haha. Used to watch this show forever ago

 

[lenovox1]

Wearing this to the club tomorrow night. Will post results.

You'll look like a black genie with motocross boots.

 

[Kangi]

Fragile straight guys hating Vaan's design for obvious reasons is a given, but not to the extent sometimes claimed. Does he get a suspicious amount of flak for his design given what series he belongs to? Yes. Do his abs look like diseased, leather-crusted, external ribs? Also yes.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

Here's the thing, though. Vaan looks just as stupid as gratuitously sexualized character designs like Quiet, Cindy, etc. But you don't have developers doubling down and defending their choices on male sexualization versus the sexualization of their female characters.

There was backlash against Yuna and Rikku's design as well, yes. But the developer isn't going to respond to it with anything other than apathy in comparison to when intentionally sexualized male designs are criticized.

Vaan was worse. He looked younger than Tidus by a few years but with even less clothing. Still a pretty boy tho

 

[Iva Demilcol]

I never found Vaan strange looking.

Hammerpants tucked into stainless motocross boots. Nipple vest. Cumberbun. Integrated turquoise talismans. Seems reasonable.

It also works in context because the people of Ranabastre dress like that. All males are shirtless or wear those small vests and shirts. The only special trait of Vaan's attire were the metal parts.

 

[AESplusF]

Fragile straight guys hating Vaan's design for obvious reasons is a given, but not to the extent sometimes claimed. Does he get an unnecessary amount of flak for his design given what series he belongs to? Yes. Do his abs look like diseased, leather-crusted, external ribs? Also yes.

They actually bothered to redo them for the remaster, they look more natural now, and at the same time they were showing off fran's redone butt, equality is beautiful.

 

[Drillary Clinton]

They actually bothered to redo them for the remaster, they look more natural now, and at the same time they were showing off fran's redone butt, equality is beautiful.

What are they doing to her butt? It's a national treasure and i hope they don't ruin it.

 

[Platy]

Fragile straight guys hating Vaan's design for obvious reasons is a given, but not to the extent sometimes claimed. Does he get a suspicious amount of flak for his design given what series he belongs to? Yes. Do his abs look like diseased, leather-crusted, external ribs? Also yes.

Which I why I usualy go for FF Mevius for the fragility of straight people. It even includes a "those sjw are censuring our games" type of plot twist !