You can unlock it as a starting weapon or something.
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Every map/gametype combo will have a suitable default load out (DMR/magnum and a suitable armor ability on BTB maps, for example). However, you can customize your own load out with other weapons and armor abilities you have unlocked (so swap that DMR for a BR, or carbine, or whatever). No power weapons in custom load outs.
too much eslim
Member
I know power weapons will not be in custom loadout. but I thought we didn't have to unlock weapons at all for vs. multiplayer. I assume if there was an unlocking of weapons it was for spartan ops which makes sense to me.
Why do I have to unlock a BR. It should just be a standard loadout. I don't know how they are handling things, but i would hate because I don't play as much I will get owned by people with a BR because I haven't earned enough crediits to buy a BR.
I don't disagree.
You unlock them because people like unlocking things and now Halo will feature unlocking weapons. So long as the default load outs are suitable, it shouldn't be a big issue and the unlocks will be more about people shaping their load outs to their play style. But I'd still rather just have everything available.
The good news in all that is the credits you earn to unlock weapons is universal across modes; I'll be playing Campaign and Spartan Ops until I've got what I want in MP.
I think the real bright side to the unlock system, however wary I still am of it, is that poor playlist management is much less of a factor now. We don't have to wait months to get a precision loadout on maps where it makes sense (or ones that they think it wouldn't fit). If this lets them focus on getting gametype and map weightings and object/weapon drop placement right more quickly, then I'll accept whatever needs to happen.
I'd pay good human points for some new news.
The Librarian
Banned
Do human points cost less, point for point, than Spartan points?
That's a good point. The load out management will be limited to the default, which most people won't be using after a short time anyways, and matchmaking support resources will be more focused, hopefully.
Plus, I hopefully won't have to go postal on guys that steal my plasma pistol in BTB games. I can has my own.
The Librarian
Banned
That wouldn't be good. Especially if plasma pistols have the vehicle stun effect in Halo 4. Vehicle combat would be ruined pretty much.
NullPointer
Member
I think it goes Allards > Spartan Points > Forza Tokens > Human Points > Snickers Bars
Zenny Coins are coin of the realm.
AA, in my Halo 4?
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Where have you been?
ElzarTheBam
Member
Sounds better me thinks
Apparently not paying attention. Might not actually buy this, AAs are just stupid.
Yeah, I can't really see them putting a Plasma Pistol as a secondary option, especially in BTB. But we've been stricken with awful decisions in the past. I would have assumed the secondary in things like BTB being Pistol or Assault Carbine. Would have said AR, but as they keep stating how powerful it is up close, I'm not sure that will be readily available. Who knows.
And the DMR being the premier BTB weapon has me wary if its continued to be 3x. Even if it is a slower shooter than a BR, cross mapping would still be applicable in this situation.
If they're appropriately adjusted, I'm up to seeing how they're programmed. Camo was easily one of my most hated AA's in Reach, so I'm not upbeat about that return.
True, I suppose it's too early to really judge, my main beef is really just armor lock and camo, completely changed
ruined
Armour lock is gone.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Camo didnt change shit, people just didnt like it cause they got owned when facing it.
Everytime I read Armour it's pronounced in a french accent in my head, which makes it a highly sexual thing.
Hawt.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Getting camo sniped is always a good time.
cevansdust
Neo Member
NullPointer
Member
The most under-rated weapon in Halo, and a good way to tell who gets the sandbox and who is still learning the ropes.
Yup, the last time I played Reach, I got quite a few kills with the plasma pistol.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
What are you guys using it for mainly, just to drop the shield then switch to DMR?
shinobi602
Member
higherARC05
Banned
Stop vehicles
Mainly those bastard banshees.
Many times I wished I spawned with a PP when that guy in the banshee getting killing sprees up the ying yang kept spawn killing me at spire.
camo allowed you invisibility to camo snipe. camo allowed you invisibility to escape battles. camo allowed you invisibility to chose when to engage an enemy that didnt know you were present.
inexplicably, camo also screwed up enemy motion trackers completely axing a key component to halo's gameplay. camo also screwed up teammate motion trackers completely axing a key component to halo's gameplay.
camo had two MAJOR effects on encounters; invis and disabling motion trackers. it was over-powered, cheap, and frustrating when the enemy or a teammate used it.
IF camo returns in halo 4 i hope its greatly changed. maybe have only the users motion tracker be scrambled while everyone else sees some sort of effect of the camo on the tracker to inform that a user is nearby without destroying the usefulness of the motion tracker entirely. personally, i'd also like to see a slight reduction in transparency, or some sort of predator-like light shift that makes someone holding still in camo slightly more visable to counter the counter snipers.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
I think it's time.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
The invisibility power-up in Halo 1 did all those things as well, expect the radar jammer which was actually a disadvantage cause people know youre there when it happens.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Ump, we got a camo user here.
Yes, in objective games, camo and shotty absolutely. Not my fault others cant use it.
the radar jammer was supposed to be a disadvantage, and i admit for the user it is, but its also an advantage over others and also a disadvantage to your teammates. not sure how anyone can defend how camo/jammer works in reach...
No Halo Honor
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Please tell me youre joking when you say you want to be able to see the invisible guy...
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Halo honor? Fuck Halo honor. Its called DEFENSE.
Bryant
Member
You are the worst type of person. If I knew you in real life I would smash your Reach disc while screaming "NO"
Also, its worth pointing out that in other halo games running while camo makes you show up on radar. Sure reach scrambles the radar, but that can actually be seen as an advantage for the camo user.
maybe its just me, or my tv, but camo in reach is 100% invisible. it wasnt like that in previous halos, and i dont think it needs to be. if i know there is a camo sniper and i am specifically looking for him, i dont think its unreasonable to be able to *possibly* make him out, even if he is holding still. IMO, camo should be to make you difficult to spot, not impossible.
but, thats not my major beef with camo in reach, its the compounded benefits/annoyances of camo + jammer.
Muffdraul
Member
"It's just... it's just not fair!"
I was kidding, but in all honesty, it's that kind of though that makes this game unplayable online.
People that abuse the bad choices made by the devs.
I remember a while ago, playing with a full party of gaffers where I rolled only with camo and shotgun. I felt so dirty afterwards, I had to take a shower.
I think Xand and Elzar were on the opposite team. Forgive me for what I have done.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Basically.