how is the console power war over?
IMO, because there's nothing to see here. Its either a wash or one console having an edge. So far the 12tf beast that eats monsters for breakfast must be going on a diet.
how is the console power war over?
GE culling is different in that it will be used for positive results, otherwise why bother. Vrs is there to increase framerate performance, but there is a visual cost.It's just being overused at the moment. I believe it can be tweaked in detail, so devs just need to get used to it.
Long term, we'll see how it fares versus GE culling, which people claim has a learning curve as well.
Just wait until the NG version of Cyberpunk drops.
Shit is gonna get wild (especially if there is a clear advantage to either side).
Looking at the results in every comparison so far....this is a win for MS, XSX?Does Ps5 version show vrs? Guess this is a hint ps5 do not have vrs hardware is true? So no ML, no VRS? Modern gpu cycle savers are not in?
After that madness, and certain ppl clearly being obtuse, I have lil faith for genuine debates, arguments from some ppl going forward,It already got wild with Cyberpunk.
We had comparisons between the XsX enhanced backwards compatibility and effectively the PS4 Pro version with a better frame rate .
Surely it can't be worse.
A game’s camera does stop sometimes, and we do take in the scenery. Besides that, plenty of low res effects are visible in motion, only less so.Screenshot vs. in motion are two completely different things. Of course VRS is noticable in a static image.
Screenshot vs. in motion are two completely different things. Of course VRS is noticable in a static image.
So is this you saying you won’t be popping up in comparison threads quoting why the ps5 is better?How is the power war still going except for a few die hards or Riky cherry picking the Ps5 dips and ignoring the XSX dips ?
Microsoft have changed their marketing to most powerful Xbox ever and its all died away in a quiet whimper.
Sony seem to not give 2 shits.
Even Richard of DF has not mentioned his loved terrafloppies in over a month ........
We have had our laughs, its boring now. See you again in 3 years for the mid gen refresh war.
That's not in the plans No.So is this you saying you won’t be popping up in comparison threads quoting why the ps5 is better?
So we have cross gen games that have no real next gen features, or ifthere is some they are limited at the moment. Next gen hasn’t even got started yet.IMO, because there's nothing to see here. Its either a wash or one console having an edge. So far the 12tf beast that eats monsters for breakfast must be going on a diet.
how is the console power war over?
So we have cross gen games that have no real next gen features, or ifthere is some they are limited at the moment. Next gen hasn’t even got started yet.
anybody who thinks these first gen games are an indicator of how it will be are wrong. Yeah both consoles will have their advantages
So do you think any of these games currently out are using anywhere near the full potential of PS5 or XSXIf the differences are not staggering it's not worth marketing in my opinion. Don't really see a power war unless there's a noticeable difference between the two. Certainly nothing like Pro vs One X or PS4 vs X1.
So do you think any of these games currently out are using anywhere near the full potential of PS5 or XSX
Take it you haven't watched the video then either, it's jarring in motion as much as it is in still, perhaps more so as you can track VRS as a blob of awfulness moving around the screen.Screenshot vs. in motion are two completely different things. Of course VRS is noticable in a static image.
Yeah but the difference there was the power difference was heavy in favour of the PS4 , it’s gonna be an interesting few years I thinkNeither did the PS4 and X1 launch games. But the delta remained throughout the generation even after developers got more familiar with the hardware. Definitely not expecting one to become massively more powerful than the over the next few years. Hardware simply doesn't work like that. Also it's not like either are like the PS3 so the CELL argument doesn't really work here.
Yeah but the difference there was the power difference was heavy in favour of the PS4 , it’s gonna be an interesting few years I think
That could well be the sum of it.So, maybe 3rd party games will be a wash and the exclusives will show what each console is capable of?
You mean the zoomed in slow motion part of the video? Again, not what you see while playing the game. I have never noticed that while playing.Take it you haven't watched the video then either, it's jarring in motion as much as it is in still, perhaps more so as you can track VRS as a blob of awfulness moving around the screen.
We wouldn’t of seen it already, as I said all these games hardly use any next gen features, and the ones that have are limited. Look and Spider-Man MM which looks amazing, but the ray tracing has its limits. That’s not the console showing it’s limits it’s just games being cross gen and also COVID this year effecting the launch games. Wait till the next Spider-Man game and see how much of a jump it will beWell there were many areas where the PS4 was simply more powerful than the X1. The same isn't happening this time around. People expecting massive differences between the two are going to be disappointed. If there really was a huge delta we would have seen it already with the launch games. Think of a Native 4K vs Dynamic 1800P kind of situation.
We wouldn’t of seen it already, as I said all these games hardly use any next gen features, and the ones that have are limited. Look and Spider-Man MM which looks amazing, but the ray tracing has its limits. That’s not the console showing it’s limits it’s just games being cross gen and also COVID this year effecting the launch games. Wait till the next Spider-Man game and see how much of a jump it will be
No, you can see it all the time, especially in 120 fps mode.You mean the zoomed in slow motion part of the video? Again, not what you see while playing the game. I have never noticed that while playing.
My point is these games are nowhere near push either system and they are full of bugs. Look at Valhalla , Dirt 5 and so on. Everybody was saying how the ps5 was running better, especially in terms of dirt 5 and saying how Xbox had to lower settings because it couldn’t keep up with ps5. A quickly rushed patch and it’s equal or better now, let’s see if it’s true the tools and stuff weren’t mature noun for Xbox. The games may run similar in the future but I expect those extra TF on Xbox things like ray tracing will work better in Xbox favour with that extra bit of powerI'm not talking about games getting better and the gen goes along. I'm talking about the delta between the two platforms.
It's not like we start off the gen with parity and in a year one system will be 100% more powerful than the other. Both systems will improve with time but there won't be a massive increase in the differences between the two.
Well I don't play in 120 mode. In quality mode I have never noticed it while playing.No, you can see it all the time, especially in 120 fps mode.
it doesn't really matter if you admit you can see it, it's there for all to see.
So if its close now, isnt it safe to assume it will continue to be close?Yeah but the difference there was the power difference was heavy in favour of the PS4 , it’s gonna be an interesting few years I think
It was done for the past 15 years tho.....That could well be the sum of it.
Using cross gen launch games doesn’t seem like a good metric to measure any system on in all honesty.
My point is these games are nowhere near push either system and they are full of bugs. Look at Valhalla , Dirt 5 and so on. Everybody was saying how the ps5 was running better, especially in terms of dirt 5 and saying how Xbox had to lower settings because it couldn’t keep up with ps5. A quickly rushed patch and it’s equal or better now, let’s see if it’s true the tools and stuff weren’t mature noun for Xbox. The games may run similar in the future but I expect those extra TF on Xbox things like ray tracing will work better in Xbox favour with that extra bit of power
I wouldn't bother, xbox fans think the consoles exist in a vacuum, and only xbox is going to get better. Same happened last gen too. This is not exotic hardware like the PS3 where it was demonstrated with knowledge you could really do something special with it, this is, in series S/X case anyway, off the shelf PC parts with a few alterations. It's going to be fun when the games on PS5 start using kraken compression and take on oodle textures. Or when Sony start automating some basic steps for the GE to carry out (I don't expect 3rd party devs to really use this as intended, but 1st/2nd party games are going to open eyes in my opinion)So if its close now, isnt it safe to assume it will continue to be close?
It was done for the past 15 years tho.....
I'll say this: if thats the case, we also cant use how games run in BC either then.
So we all just wait until full next gen 3rd party games come out.
The elephant in the room that many are skipping over is the average resolution in this game.
That was supposed to be the reverse because of the cu and TF difference between the 2 consoles. That and the XSX was gonna do native 4K while the PS5 did dynamic.
NXGamer points out where its better on PS5, and it has a higher average resolution.
All I know is the speculation that the XSX would have better frame rates and resolution than PS5 is thrown out the window. For now.
My point is these games are nowhere near push either system and they are full of bugs. Look at Valhalla , Dirt 5 and so on. Everybody was saying how the ps5 was running better, especially in terms of dirt 5 and saying how Xbox had to lower settings because it couldn’t keep up with ps5. A quickly rushed patch and it’s equal or better now, let’s see if it’s true the tools and stuff weren’t mature noun for Xbox. The games may run similar in the future but I expect those extra TF on Xbox things like ray tracing will work better in Xbox favour with that extra bit of power
Worth noting that when people associate GE to VRS, they are referencing an actual application of changing shading (or resolution) rates, nut culling. Which would have similar artifacts in use (though different performance implications given the pipeline stage it happens at).Long term, we'll see how it fares versus GE culling, which people claim has a learning curve as well.
So if its close now, isnt it safe to assume it will continue to be close?
It was done for the past 15 years tho.....
I'll say this: if thats the case, we also cant use how games run in BC either then.
So we all just wait until full next gen 3rd party games come out.
The elephant in the room that many are skipping over is the average resolution in this game.
That was supposed to be the reverse because of the cu and TF difference between the 2 consoles. That and the XSX was gonna do native 4K while the PS5 did dynamic.
NXGamer points out where its better on PS5, and it has a higher average resolution.
All I know is the speculation that the XSX would definitely have better frame rates and resolution than PS5 is thrown out the window. For now. Some did think the PS5 could have better framerates because of the SSD tho.
The speculation threads vs reality is a sight to behold.
So if its close now, isnt it safe to assume it will continue to be close?
It was done for the past 15 years tho.....
I'll say this: if thats the case, we also cant use how games run in BC either then.
So we all just wait until full next gen 3rd party games come out.
The elephant in the room that many are skipping over is the average resolution in this game.
That was supposed to be the reverse because of the cu and TF difference between the 2 consoles. That and the XSX was gonna do native 4K while the PS5 did dynamic.
NXGamer points out where its better on PS5, and it has a higher average resolution.
All I know is the speculation that the XSX would definitely have better frame rates and resolution than PS5 is thrown out the window. For now. Some did think the PS5 could have better framerates because of the SSD tho.
The speculation threads vs reality is a sight to behold.
Last gen One X better frame rate and better avg frame rate vs. PS5. Wow.
A full 20fps advantage, not bad for a server blade.
Looking at the results in every comparison so far....this is a win for MS, XSX?
Hmm, interesting. Still relying on paper specs vs actual results?
Interesting.
After that madness, and certain ppl clearly being obtuse, I have lil faith for genuine debates, arguments from some ppl going forward,
My point is these games are nowhere near push either system and they are full of bugs. Look at Valhalla , Dirt 5 and so on. Everybody was saying how the ps5 was running better, especially in terms of dirt 5 and saying how Xbox had to lower settings because it couldn’t keep up with ps5. A quickly rushed patch and it’s equal or better now, let’s see if it’s true the tools and stuff weren’t mature noun for Xbox. The games may run similar in the future but I expect those extra TF on Xbox things like ray tracing will work better in Xbox favour with that extra bit of power
Well they had to lower the minimum resolution in Assassin's Creed Valhalla on Xbox if im not wrong. Seems like they sacrificed one thing to improve another. The two versions are practically identical so no big delta there.
The PS5 has other advantages that will help it out in the future just like the XSX does. However if there were large differences between the two we would have seen them already. Like the XSS when compared to the PS5 or XSX.
SoUnless Ms can redesign the silicon to have more than 4 shader arrays the results are as I expected 4 months ago.
The games are using the features and hardware, there is no hidden magic. Engines will get better like UE5 and small improvements for both.
Games will use even more primative / mesh but the hardware does that now in current games is what I believe.
The next interesting comparison will be to see how both consoles run UE5 Nanite and Lumen.
But your welcome to believe different.Below is 6800 XT converting vertices to primatives, something posters think will change but its already in place with drivers. VRS is what it is, so what. What else is there ?
I use these video to see the patch and bug state of the game and inform next purchasing decision of which I may or may not comment on.
hasn't that been comfier they rushed the patch for that, they even said it was a quick fix
This is why we need longer fps examples. He hasn't even reached the first corner and soon as he's clear of the cars PS5 jumps to 120 from 90 while SX is 110 plus when in the cars. All the other comparisons he's way ahead of the cars so its 120 easy.
Not for console wars but for constructive discussion if he actually stayed with the cars maybe we could see why they have made changes to the PS5 version.
So
Your saying ps5 already being pushed to its max
So
Your saying ps5 already being pushed to its max
Probably becouse nxgamer can't do a proper video with series x ,remember the blurry valhalla? He admitted that he had problems making a capture with series x version with his captures toolsI think its obvious those crushed black areas are a bug of some kind. Both versions of the game appear to have tons of visual bugs between them.
I would say they not even taxing 50% of what these consoles can do at the moment. Loads of head room, just the launch games been designed fo so many consoles that there are bugs everywhereWell some people say that the PS5 I'd already maxed out due to how easy it is to develop for. That's also the reason why they believe the gap will grow in the XSXs favor.
This isn't something that I believe because I know each system has customizations that haven't been taken advantage of yet. Overtime both will get better.
So
Your saying ps5 already being pushed to its max
LMFAO - hell no.So do you think any of these games currently out are using anywhere near the full potential of PS5 or XSX
I think this is more interestingThis is why we need longer fps examples. He hasn't even reached the first corner and soon as he's clear of the cars PS5 jumps to 120 from 90 while SX is 110 plus when in the cars. All the other comparisons he's way ahead of the cars so its 120 easy.
Not for console wars but for constructive discussion if he actually stayed with the cars maybe we could see why they have made changes to the PS5 version.
Did sony drop another 3rd person cinematic walking sinulator or is Dirt 5 the current shit on PS5?Did Xbox drop some new exclusive or did I miss something? Let's not compare launch titles please
So i cant enjoy my SeriesX because there are no ExClUsIveS?Maybe I'm just uninformed but did the Series X have even 1 exclusive on day 1? PS5 had 3.
And for anyone that bought a PS5 and never had a PS4, good lord the amount of quality games is staggering. I'm sorry but at the moment, X just has XB1 games. Forza, Gears and Halo. And besides Forza Horizon 3 and 4, none of the other other titles are even close in terms of the whole package when it comes to most PS4 exclusives.
If you have a PC there is zero reason ever to own an Xbox as well. I found that out really quick the hard way.
PC/PS5/Switch masterrace
It’s the way PS fans are speaking now me lolLMFAO - hell no.
Did sony drop another 3rd person cinematic walking sinulator or is Dirt 5 the current shit on PS5?
Srsly why are PS5 fans cheering for this game?
Game looks bad on every platform...
No crankiness needed, enjoy what you have, I’m not sure people here are even playing the game anyway, it runs beautifully on the XSX now, even better if you have a new TV. And make sure to get on the Retroarch train and ride off into the oh so sweet retro sunset with the rest of usSo i cant enjoy my SeriesX because there are no ExClUsIveS?
Sry but two of this three exclusives are ps4 games and nothing to write home about...
There are plenty of reasons to own a xbox.
Fuck off with that hur durget a pc...
A competent pc would cost twice as much as a Xbox. God damn with this garbage mentality.
Man this forum gets worse and worse with this console warrior shit and dont get me started on some clown here spreading their armchair software and hardware knowledge...