BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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This is, in some ways, more disgusting than racism.
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This is, in some ways, more disgusting than racism.
The new McCarthy era.
So now Doxxing is okay? So dumb, someone innocent could end up getting their life ruined.
Truly disgusting.
This is, in some ways, more disgusting than racism.
The major problem with this analogy, is that sex offenders have broken the law. Being a racist douchebag is not against the law. That is thought crime, and a fucking awful precedent to set.In this particular case, the idea is to publicly list individuals part of organizations that encourage behavior that directly harms marginalized, disenfranchised groups. No different than listing a sex offender's status so the family across the block can make sure they don't have their children play around that person's yard.
story said:The owner said the accusation is not true and it has been bad for business.
Still, shocking to learn that not only are KKK members selling insurance in Lowell, but they're Cambodian, too. You'd never suspect them.
Great news
This is, in some ways, more disgusting than racism.
Happy to return to this later.This is, in some ways, more disgusting than racism.
Socializing the legal system is not implementing "selective tenants of socialism."
This doesn't address the overburdening of government attorneys. We've all heard stories of criminal defendants who are urged to take guilty pleas after meeting with a public defender for 5 minutes. Do you think this situation would be any better in the civil sector? Who decides how much each side can spend on their case? Is this the same amount for all cases regarding of the complexity?
This is totally different from your theory of holding an employer responsible for the torts of their employees who are members of hate groups. In one case, the employee's actions occur while in the process of carrying out the terms of the employment. In the other case, the employer is responsible just because.
The ideas you're trying to push in this thread are completely lacking any basis in reality.
Privacy for what? To act like dinosaurs in the 21st century with backwards rhetoric? They are already guaranteed freedom of speech (if they want to be bigots, they have the right to be. But others have the right to ostracize them because of it), and have pretty much the same rights and privacy as any other citizen. What you're calling an "invasion of privacy" would be like saying a sex offender deserves to have their past hidden from neighbors with children in the neighborhood because of "privacy concerns". Which is pretty much the same thing as condoning their ability to be a sex offender in private without concerned parents being aware; next thing you know their child ends up a victim, the sex offender is jailed, serves time, released and their info isn't put out there so they can move to the next neighborhood full of potential victims.I suppose, they're both morally wrong. Racism is pop cultural taboo. It's seen as backwards, harmful, and something that humanity needs to move past. We are trying, and making progress. Social movements and progress happen slowly over time, and if done through cultural pressure and more organic processes, will eventually stick.
The thought that racist people don't deserve privacy at all sacrifices the morals and concepts that underline modern society for the sake of moving past racism faster, through a breach of a fundamental right of privacy.
Beyond that, it promotes the concept of thought crime. As in, these people are deserving of an illegal act because they think or feel a certain way. What that thing is, doesn't matter. It's the principle that they're being illegally breached for something that they think.
Just replace the proper nouns with others, and you see where this concept starts to get ugly.
Racism is gross. Don't get me wrong. I'm just of the opinion that an organization, such as the KKK, can be dealt with through legal channels. I mean, it has. Its cultural relevance and real existing threat to disenfranchised populations has been drastically reduced over the years.
To further drag not only KKK members, but all people who are potentially racist, into the concept that they deserve absolutely no privacy because they're racists, seems absolutely dangerous to modern society.
The major problem with this analogy, is that sex offenders have broken the law. Being a racist douchebag is not against the law. That is thought crime, and a fucking awful precedent to set.
I couldn't give two blanks about cybercriminals. Ever since my second post in this thread I've been arguing on something beyond the thread topic, but folks seem to keep thinking my points are explicitly about this Operation KKK thing. No, it's about the general idea of a licensed, professional organizational branch of government that would list known members of hate groups publicly, ESPECIALLY if they've committed acts that have (with accompanying evidence) harmed individuals of other ethnic or religious groups, be it physically, emotionally, or financially.Except that it has been proven rebuttals don't work, the first thought usually sticks and it completely pushes a guy down after which he can defend himself to get back up to where he was, hopefully. You're ignoring all possible repercussions just to defend cybercriminals. There are no good guys in this story, you have the awful racists and the awful criminals.
That is a pointless difference in this entire discussion. I want to avoid the idea where you just accuse people at random and have them defend their honor, no matter the court.
Yeah, seems like it.So was the early fake list dispensed to try and discredit the new official list?
No high-ranking members of society?
Yeah I don't know about that. Lots of politicians have gotten busted for doing similar things.You don't get up high by being stupid enough to proclaim your affinity for domestic terror on easily accessible websites
This is why I love digital anonymity, for all its missteps
These don't even look like anonymous people. The large majority of names, has a link to a facebook with full names and obvious postings of KKK/White Power/racist diatribe.
What if some of the people they're revealing ARE members of Congress?
It does seem to be largely public social media harvesting.Mark Pitcavage, director of the US Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism, told Vice News it was "low-hanging fruit, basically public source information. For most of these people it's not a secret that they've been in the Klan."
List is out. BBC posted a fairly critical report citing a spelling mistake in one person's name and focusing on the fake lists.
It does seem to be largely public social media harvesting.
How is it "Operation Hoods Off" if this information is pulled from their own facebook and social media postings? Seems like the hoods of these people were already off...Official OpKKK HoodsOff Data Release
The list is live y'all. Can't wait to start seeing some of these Facebook profiles tonight xD
I'm not worried about the privacy of racists. What does concern me deeply is the accuracy of the list.
What happens when someone who's not in the KKK gets outed as being in the KKK?
People will be irate for a week and then no one will care. Just like everything else.
That's it? No big deal? No concerns about the moral implications of falsely accusing people of being a member of the KKK and the damage that could do to their reputation?
I had an ex-coworker of mine post on facebook about this yesterday, with him wearing an Anonymous mask saying "the operation is about to start!" with two laptops open in front of him.
I wanted to ask if part of anonymous was making yourself as public as humanly possible but I didn't want to legitimize his hacker cred.
I'm still debating posting "...You want me to hack the planet?" as a response, though.
I'm not worried about the privacy of racists. What does concern me deeply is the accuracy of the list.
What happens when someone who's not in the KKK gets outed as being in the KKK?
I'm not worried about the privacy of racists. What does concern me deeply is the accuracy of the list.
What happens when someone who's not in the KKK gets outed as being in the KKK?
All this handwringing over people being wrongly outed and we get a list of open racists with swastika tattoos.