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PoliGAF Thread of VP Debate 2008 Trainwreck-in-slow-motion Popcorn Party Edition
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Random anecdote:
I've mentioned a couple times in these PoliGAF threads that my father, who has been a lifelong republican voter, is planning to vote for Obama this fall. I went over to his house for dinner last night and found out that he's actually been out canvassing for Obama in the past couple weeks. He lives in a somewhat rural area and was telling me about a house he visited over the weekend where the guy he was talking to was planning to vote for McCain because, "they don't call it the White House because of the paint job." =\ Given the area, something like that doesn't really surprise me, but it still makes me angry.
I've mentioned a couple times in these PoliGAF threads that my father, who has been a lifelong republican voter, is planning to vote for Obama this fall. I went over to his house for dinner last night and found out that he's actually been out canvassing for Obama in the past couple weeks. He lives in a somewhat rural area and was telling me about a house he visited over the weekend where the guy he was talking to was planning to vote for McCain because, "they don't call it the White House because of the paint job." =\ Given the area, something like that doesn't really surprise me, but it still makes me angry.
captscience
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Shiggie said:
I'm sure it was.
Honest or not though, slips like that during the wrong telecast could really hurt Obama amongst the retard vote.
ViperVisor
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Bill Maher's cavalcade of awkwardness promo-ing Religulous starts tonight.
MON. Conan
TUES. The View & The Daily Show
THUR. Jimmy Kimmel
He will be sure to slam Palin to the max and jokes about how old McCain is.
Good times all around. TIVO THE VIEW SPECIFICALLY.
MON. Conan
TUES. The View & The Daily Show
THUR. Jimmy Kimmel
He will be sure to slam Palin to the max and jokes about how old McCain is.
Good times all around. TIVO THE VIEW SPECIFICALLY.
BenjaminBirdie
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Shiggie said:
I thought it was a clear admission of his deep seated prejudices against the democratic candidate and not at all related to the fact that the next word in that sentence after "Obama" started with an "S".
GoutPatrol
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so_awes said:
what's up with her right (or left, depends on your perspective) side of the face? it's all puffed way up compared to the other side....
That is weird.
SpeedingUptoStop
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It's the devil trying to get out.so_awes said:
what's up with her right (or left, depends on your perspective) side of the face? it's all puffed way up compared to the other side....
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The Chosen One
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*was still refreshing old thread*
Fragamemnon
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Hitokage said:
I think that a BIG part of the public's hand-wringing and reluctance on this issue is because no one has really A) explained why this is necessary RIGHT NOW in simple terms and B) framed the debate properly, mainly because no one wants to really own this issue in any regard. The burden of leadership on this should have been borne by the Bush administration, who was both at the same time unpopular and not running for re-election, but oh god how did I get here I am not good with securities and no one trusts him anyway. Thanks Iraq!
Fragamemnon
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syllogism said:
The fate of the NC governor's house, along with several other very key races in the Senate (MN-Senate, MS-Senate, OR-Senate) in other states, is very dependent on Obama not just winning, but winning convincingly, even in blue states.
Coattails are powerful and I'd like to be riding them for a change in a presidential election.
Fragamemnon said:
Yeah, I think you make a good point. Bush's lack of leadership on this has been insane. Casually strolling out to the White House lawn for a handful of 4 minute speeches where he casually tells Americans we need to nationalize 15% of the economy within the next week.... that kind of thing is so massive, I think Americans are justified in being angry that the politicians have not done more to explain this.
And once again, let us reflect on how the situation would be different if Clinton were still President with this happening. Republicans would be trying to have him arrested & impeached within days of this all happening.
Fragamemnon
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Looks like Citigroup is indeed buying Wachovia's banking operation:
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/citigroup-nears-a-deal-for-wachovia/?ref=business
This is a tragic loss for Charlotte and I hope that Wachovia employees can keep their (good) jobs there. Somoene needs to start talking about how, when this is all sorted out, we could have as much as 40% of the nation's deposits tied up in four or five megabanks. Not only would they be too big to fail, they would almost be too big to audit IMO.
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/citigroup-nears-a-deal-for-wachovia/?ref=business
This is a tragic loss for Charlotte and I hope that Wachovia employees can keep their (good) jobs there. Somoene needs to start talking about how, when this is all sorted out, we could have as much as 40% of the nation's deposits tied up in four or five megabanks. Not only would they be too big to fail, they would almost be too big to audit IMO.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Weeeeeee! Let's hope for another good week for Obama!
perfectchaos007
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All eyes will be on Palin at this debate...in more ways than one.
CharlieDigital
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lawblob said:
They would be calling for his head.
Like I've mentioned before, I know there are a lot of people who say it's not fair to place the blame on the president alone, but at the same time, the guy has the power of
The president is like an NBA coach; he has the ability to put the right players in the game at the right time to help the team succeed. He has the ability to dictate the pace and style of the game with his play calling. And at the end of the day, he is the only one who's success measured by wins and losses. We measure players by championships, points, rebounds, assists, and steals. We measure coaches by how many games they win; ultimately, when a team loses, the "L" falls squarely on the shoulders of the coach.
Bush deserves an "L" for his performance during this crisis and for his lack of preventative action. I'm more certain than ever that this will go down as one of the worst presidencies in the history of the US. Two unfinished wars, the loss of global influence to countries like China and Russia, the Katrina mismanagement, and one of the worst economic meltdowns in history.
And is Citigroup really in good enough shape to take this one right now? I thought they were iffy?Fragamemnon said:Looks like Citigroup is indeed buying Wachovia's banking operation:
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/29/citigroup-nears-a-deal-for-wachovia/?ref=business
This is a tragic loss for Charlotte and I hope that Wachovia employees can keep their (good) jobs there. Somoene needs to start talking about how, when this is all sorted out, we could have as much as 40% of the nation's deposits tied up in four or five megabanks. Not only would they be too big to fail, they would almost be too big to audit IMO.
Cauliflower of Love
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Hmmm Sunnny in Philadelphia vs last part of debate.
I think I just might get more laughs from the debate this thursday.
I think I just might get more laughs from the debate this thursday.
Fragamemnon
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Rasmussen: O-50, M-45
Obama steady at 50, McCain up one. Ras showing a five point spread feels about right for the race at this point.
Obama steady at 50, McCain up one. Ras showing a five point spread feels about right for the race at this point.
Fragamemnon
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kaching said:
Citigroup was smart and started writing down shit heavily last year while there were still investors looking to buy into banks if the price was right and credit hadn't almost completely seized up. So they are in decent shape. Wells Fargo, who had a fraction of the derivative holdings and never did the whole 'crazy mortgage madness' in the first place was also involved in the talks to buy Wachovia's banking arm.
backbreaker65
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What Joe must do, is what Charlie Gibson did, with the Bush Doctrine. I have a feeling that Sarah likes for the other person to make points and she piggy backs them. So if Joe is smart he should be general with his opening statements and specific after Sarah has had a chance to retort.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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RubxQub said:
I feel like such a loser ;.;
Man sucks this is thursday. I'm going to completely miss it. :/
Fragamemnon
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StoOgE said:
Yep, that's how I see it too. I think it would be a seven point Obama win if we had the elections today, which translates into a 350-375 EV landslide.
Fragamemnon
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Cheebs said:
It was definitely good in 2004. They key thing this year is that the ground game turned out +2-+2.5 for Bush in 2004, and this year Obama will likely get a similar boost to his side.
Also, some commentary on the race from the "unnamed campaign official" from the Obama camp:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...es-he-can-win-White-House-by-a-landslide.html
VA and NC represent an ambush by the Obama team that McCain was ill-prepared for. I think the McCain camp was ready for a hard play at Ohio and Colorado, but Team Obama's stubborness to expand the map has really put the McCain campaign offbalance in VA, NC, IN, and Florida.
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