But, well, NeoGAF now has a hive mind mentality too, which is very apparent in how a lot of people deal e.g. with Nobody_Important. It is not a moderation enforced hive mind, so chances are it will improve over time, but currently, there is a pretty big right-leaning bias here.
When you say "It's kind of a hive mind, but it isn't, but it can be, but at least mods aren't enforcing it, but muh right-leaning bias" then you're not really saying anything at all.
When I'm saying that, then you are right, it isn't. But let me show you in how far our statements differ:
(I have croosed the but muh, because it is not a but, but a description of the hive mind)
I was actually trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, assuming you don't truly believe this is a hive mind in light of all the plain evidence available to you.
There is no plain evidence towards this that I am aware of. It also is something quite natural, if the whole social justice oriented part of the left leaning audience moves towards another platform, then it is a pretty natural thing to happen that a right leaning bias will be observable. And within such a bias, it is also common place (and observable here) that people with outlier opinions get bullied. I do have to say though that it is not automatically the same thing as at Resetera, because I'd say I am more of an outlier here than there, but aggressive ad hominems have been a very rare experience here, so there is more wiggle room in terms of tolerated opinions and it does make a difference if the hive mind is enforced by the moderation staff or not (which it is not here).
Nah, I'd rather you explain the hive-mind accusations.
Kadayi
pointed out, most are Libertarian Left.
Nah, I'd rather you explain the hive-mind accusations.
Bias is something else entirely, though I'd still disagree that it has a right-leaning bias. As
I don't see how that is a given. Just because the extreme left leaves the room doesn't mean that everyone who has been left of center before will suddenly turn into right-wingers. This place is overall pretty much left leaning. Pretending this would have turned into rightwing central command is simply not true, regardless how often it's being repeated by some who think everyone who's not "far enough" on the left doesn't count.
Nobody_Important gets treated the way he gets treated because maybe he is also at fault for this?
Discussion for the sake of it is still discussion either way.
I got to disagree with the right leaning bias of New Gaf.
Nobody_Important
don't tend to post much beyond "I can't" or "I don't know where to even start" and leave the topic or site. Many of the far left don't post. Many of the left leaning posters stay in Gaming and Off Topic like myself. Many of the center or right leaning do however post in Politics. But 51% of Gaf is not right of center. Maybe 20% max is right of center. They just seem willing to post and argue in Politics.
Nobody_Important
is a valued member of this site. Just giving acknowledgement that they will argue in politics when many of the far left Gaffers won't. They are willing to get in the mosh pit and start swinging. Wish more would instead of running because moderation won't silence those mean old Nazis.
Personally, I would be more interested in attracting top players and top content-creators, not developers and publishers and journalists. Either will attract more traffic.
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Left : Stark
Pretty much care about everything, principal honor code, nobility, loyalty, sensitive, easily offended, anything dishonorable like cheating, scheming, conspiracy, litlefingering, backstabbing is a shame..rather lose a war than win like this
Right : Lannister
Wana to get everything right, is all about pride, glory, victory, end results, don't really care about code, honor, loyalty, winning is everything just wana get their shit done in any posible way and minimize casualty as much as they can cos family always comes first, survival is everything
Close enough
Look at the politics subforum and what thread exist in there, in many many cases with leading headlines. It is dominated by right leaning talking points, with a special focus on calling out some fringe idiots from the social justice movement (or who are just minorities typically protected by the social justice movement). If you look into the threads, you will also see that these views are extremely dominant in the expressed views inside the threads. The usage of socialism / marxism as an expletive rather than a disrcriptory term and crazy threads such as the "was Hitler a socialist" one having a vocal majority agree to this is crass. I mean, many here are citing the political compass. What did Evilore show us where Hitler landed on that?Nah, I'd rather you explain the hive-mind accusations.
Bias is something else entirely, though I'd still disagree that it has a right-leaning bias. As
I am of the opinion it is a correct statement, I have no desire to push something I know is wrong.
Of course I am only talking about the people who talk about politics. Often, Resetera is cited as an example of an extremely left-leaning forum, but we have no information on the leanings of the majority of users, only of the people posting in political topics and the moderation. Of course I am not talking about what leanings people here might have who never post about politics, this is largely irrelevant.
I think that Nobody_important is treated unfairly and that he isn't at fault for that. It has nothing to do with KevinKeene, even if you seem to get a hard on to harp on that one.
There is a difference beteween disagreement and ad hominem attacks which are being used against Nobody_important all the time.
As I said many times, I certainly do qualify as far left (and very liberatarian as well, per the terminology of the political compass) and I do think that being supportive of firearms in civilian hands is a right-leaning position, but one issue (if it is not a broad oone like "fiscal policies") does not define a political leaning. Still, the majority opinion in terms of gun ownership here is a very right leaning one, yes.
Still not seeing anything about an echo-chamber in your post. Seems like you are using words as an expletive rather than a description.Look at the politics subforum and what thread exist in there, in many many cases with leading headlines. It is dominated by right leaning talking points, with a special focus on calling out some fringe idiots from the social justice movement (or who are just minorities typically protected by the social justice movement). If you look into the threads, you will also see that these views are extremely dominant in the expressed views inside the threads. The usage of socialism / marxism as an expletive rather than a disrcriptory term and crazy threads such as the "was Hitler a socialist" one having a vocal majority agree to this is crass. I mean, many here are citing the political compass. What did Evilore show us where Hitler landed on that?
So an authoritarian neo-liberal leaning person is called socialist (which would be completely to the left of that chart), what does this tell us about the leanings of someone saying that?
An echo chamber is a community of people of very similar views that share these views with each other in a prominent way, advertising and intensifying that viewpoint by selective and pointed sharing of news and information, while behaving exclusive and unfriendly towards people sharing a differing view. By reducing opposing positions to carricatures of said positions they elevate their own position as the only reasonable or justifiable position.
This is no defense, I think Nobody_Important has a thick skin, but I find it very unpleasent how he is treated in many cases.Yoshi
Honesty Nobody Important can defend himself. No need for you to rush to his defence. Political discussion always has a degree of frisson.
Okay, well I disagree with that definition and I disagree that it applies to GAF.
I don't believe that. Where there is yes, an occassion where nuance is presented by his ire, it often is also defending politics regarding ERA that make little to know sense with the Banbot in place as to backtrack the context in which something was said.
I'm harping on that because you had a similar rather curious advocacy when he got axed. A similar behavior i see repeated with your advocacy for Nobody_Important. He can be his own defence, you know.
Please read back your previous posts and ask yourself if you aren't actively defending his cause. Spoiler: You do. Don't act coy to obvious observations.
Cybrwzrd
) seems to be putting it out there better than i ever could.
It's legitimately terrifying how so many friends have turned their backs on me and believe that I'm a goddamned monster ever since I got banned.
Don’t be salty. You know now at least. Welcome back. Stay awhile
That’s beyond fucked up :/
The ego of believing they are normal.
