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[Nirolak]

Either msnerd fucked up

I'm starting to lean toward this as this device would basically be incompatible with the engines most major developers are making these days for next-gen systems.

 

[bgassassin]

I'm starting to lean toward this as this device would basically be incompatible with the engines most major developers are making these days for next-gen systems.

That's definitely the most likely scenario. It seems way out of left field. I could see it as being only a set top box, but the gaming functions also mentioned don't seem to fit at all.

 

[Luckyman]

For you people that thinks that loop will be xboxtv, you do realize that it packs a radically new Ai chip, and a radically new physics physics chip? Ask yourself why would a xboxtv need that?
Either msnerd fucked up or this is the xbox successor.

I think he´s just confusing those "chips" to ARM cores. Apple A6 will have huge power and it will be going to AppleTV...

 

[Krauser Kat]

Fuck yeah, Windows 8 RC in january during ces.

 

[The Shift]

This xbox loop could possibly be a MS manufactured, xbox branded tablet running ARM apps, possible xbla titles and media from xbl as well as web similar to WinPhone. MS might consider a foray in this space with that branding, I could never see them doing a dedicated gaming handheld but a tablet that ties in services from live, cloud etc. might be something they would consider.

Courier would have been nice but the concept had a specialist user demographic in mind. Something with a much wider aperture makes more sense for them.

ps there was a tablet concept from MS maybe 4-5 years ago, I remember seeing a video of it back then. Anyone remember this?

 

[Unregistered007]

The incomplete Loop!

 

[[Nintex]]

ps there was a tablet concept from MS maybe 4-5 years ago, I remember seeing a video of it back then. Anyone remember this?

It was the courier and the courier team moved on to work on the next Xbox when Allard was kicked out.

I guess MS will gun for both the high end and the low end market but I still think they'll release a next gen machine by the end of 2012.

 

[strem]

Xbox Loop?

That is pretty good

 

[The Shift]

It was the courier and the courier team moved on to work on the next Xbox when Allard was kicked out.

I guess MS will gun for both the high end and the low end market but I still think they'll release a next gen machine by the end of 2012.

I mentioned Courier but this was something different. It was more of a software concept video reel but it did show several products one which I remember being a web/media tablet device. It was a long time ago and my Google skills are lackluster. Will keep searching though.

 

[thuway]

I would rather wait for a late 2014 console than one in 2013. Technology has not matured enough to see an appreciable visual difference worth shelling out another 399. The Samaritan demo wasn't even that impressive to me. Hopefully in late 2014 we can push boundaries further.

 

[bigtroyjon]

I would rather wait for a late 2014 console than one in 2013. Technology has not matured enough to see an appreciable visual difference worth shelling out another 399. The Samaritan demo wasn't even that impressive to me. Hopefully in late 2014 we can push boundaries further.

Why stop there? If we wait till 2020 I bet next gen would have some really cool shit.

 

[thuway]

Why stop there? If we wait till 2020 I bet next gen would have some really cool shit.

You know exactly what I'm saying. Diminishing returns are rearing their ugly heads, and in all honesty, if these companies want a small stab at making a profit and making a generational leap in visuals, than they better take their damn time.

 

[dank0723]

I would rather wait for a late 2014 console than one in 2013. Technology has not matured enough to see an appreciable visual difference worth shelling out another 399. The Samaritan demo wasn't even that impressive to me. Hopefully in late 2014 we can push boundaries further.

You cant be serious right?

 

[1-D_FTW]

I'm starting to lean toward this as this device would basically be incompatible with the engines most major developers are making these days for next-gen systems.

Other than Epic, would any developer really care if they joined Nintendo in opting out of the arm's race?

And if they did, wouldn't the Sony developers in Japan beg Sony not to go nuclear in their PS4 design?

 

[George Claw M.D.]

Xbox Loop?

But where's the Triangle? You know, the gree---

Oh...

 

[Marco1]

Why would they try and release a cheaper xbox when the xbox is cheap anyway?
Are people really holding back from buying one because of the price?
All this has done is throw a spanner in the works. Maybe this will be Microsofts 3rd console curse.

 

[p3tran]

late 2013 for new ms console h/w can go fuck itself.
way too late

 

[Marco1]

Other than Epic, would any developer really care if they joined Nintendo in opting out of the arm's race?

And if they did, wouldn't the Sony developers in Japan beg Sony not to go nuclear in their PS4 design?

Yes but what if MS did follow this route and PS4 was a monster that could give us everything we wanted and more, imagine the faceoffs and pixel counters?
It would be embarrassing for MS.
Just think of all the games that really could only be done on playstation.

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

This seems likely. I said before that MS might consider making the 360 successor into a glorified cable box (complete with cable card slot), with most major game series becoming subscription services (perhaps offering package deals alongside actual cable/satellite TV channels)

If COD Elite is a success, then this will definitely happen. Graphics have nowhere to go really (it's good enough for most people now), this is the next step.

 

[Majanew]

The next-gen Xbox better not release later than Fall 2013. Fuck a bunch of that nonsense.

 

[Rolf NB]

dedicated assistive cores for <...> AI, physics

Dead giveaway that this is a load of bullshit.

 

[bigtroyjon]

You know exactly what I'm saying. Diminishing returns are rearing their ugly heads, and in all honesty, if these companies want a small stab at making a profit and making a generational leap in visuals, than they better take their damn time.

I actually don't know what you are saying. There has been discussion of when the next consoles would be releasing ever since the gen started and every time we get posts from people saying "Don't release it in year 20xx, release it one year later so the hardware is better."

If what comes out in 2013 doesn't excite you there is no reason to think that the 2014 version would be a whole lot better. If you really want a big difference maker you need to wait till 2020 like I said above.

 

[Proelite]

Dead giveaway that this is a load of bullshit.

If msnerd fucked has any credibility, I would assume that this is his way of overreaching beyond his knowledge base. The loop might have a lot of companion cores to the main "CPU", but I doubt any of them would be doing ai.

If the Loop detail is reliable, then I would be pretty impressed that MS is using new architecture. It certainly sounds in line with Epic and Dice's comments about the next generation consoles having lots of cores / gpus.

They can use 3D POP or 3D ICs to lower power consumption and die space in a small console profile.

 

[Rolf NB]

If msnerd fucked has any credibility, I would assume that this is his way of overreaching beyond his knowledge base. The loop might have a lot of campanion cores, but I doubt any of them would be doing ai.

If the Loop detail is reliable, then I would be pretty impressed that MS is using new architecture. It certainly sounds in line with Epic and Dice's comments about the next generation consoles having lots of cores / gpus.

Multi-GPU is bullshit too. So is the idea of dedicated physics processors. Why would you include chips that can only do one thing, when you already, at a bare minimum, have
1)a GPU that is unbeatable at massively parallel computations over big datasets, which qualifies it excellently for physics.
and
2)CPU cores that can do anything you can express in code, with their own SIMD capabilities (although significantly narrower than the GPU) to faciliate number crunching on tasks that are too complex for the GPU.

What if a game isn't heavy enough on physics to even use the hypothetical PPU? What's it good for then? It's cast into one specific role. It can't do anything else. PPUs have failed even on the PC, where there's a much stronger argument to be made for them.
What if a game has AI routines that don't fit the notion of AI acceleration implemented? What's that chip good for then?

Any of these ideas, as opposed to just upping the clocks by 10%, or adding another couple SPEs, PPC cores or whatever may be the main processor architecture, or both, which benefits every game in the same way is nothing but a spectacular waste of silicon and board traces.

They can use 3D POP or 3D ICs to lower power consumption and die space in a small console profile.

3D chip packaging is only a marginal power reduction, but actually increases power density (=> cost of [first layer of] cooling systems), and is itself more expensive to manufacture than traditional options. I really don't see it helping with typical console limitations. Board space isn't as much at a premium as in handheld/phone-type devices. Power consumption and cost are much further up the list.

MCMs (ala RSX with its GDDR chips on the same package, instead of on the board, or the original split-die Xenos) have the same benefits but are much cheaper.

 

[MrBig]

haha.. its all over. Loop = XboxTV with kinect?

Uh...
They want it to be a central entertainment hub. The 360 will be at that point with the next PU, and the Loop will be the much needed release of new hardware to allow it to move forward and catch up with modern technologies.

 

[gatti-man]

2014 is too late. I just refuse to believe it. Consoles are already so stale. At this point I keep my 360a for parties (kinect) and the ps3 for bluray. Gaming on them already seems last gen compared to the pc.

 

[eastmen]

So two more years of this gen? What are they thinking?

The console is selling better than it ever has in america. I can see them waiting to 2013. I also bet it matches up with dx 12 also

 

[Shanadeus]

2013 means a console that is power-wise quite close to the Wii U.

 

[eastmen]

This seems likely. I said before that MS might consider making the 360 successor into a glorified cable box (complete with cable card slot), with most major game series becoming subscription services (perhaps offering package deals alongside actual cable/satellite TV channels)

If COD Elite is a success, then this will definitely happen. Graphics have nowhere to go really (it's good enough for most people now), this is the next step.

Please this is just bull. People will allways want better graphics and the majority of them don't understand until they see the better graphics.

The worlds we enter in video games are shallow and are not alive in anyway. Moving foward in technology the worlds will come alive. We see the first steps of it during this generation where you can blow up some buildings in battlefield. But new hardware thats much more powerful will mean even more of this.

We have such a ways to go in terms of graphics and phyiscs that it will become apprently very quickly when next gen systems hit .

You also have the mobile sector breathing down the console makers necks. You can't release a cheap system right now because in a year tablets and phones will be caught up .


Lets also not forget that MS is in the best postion they can possibly be in. They have a system that is extremely popular , its sold more than double what hteir first system has sold. They also have sony who is bleeding money. MS knows they can out spend sony and I'm sure they are going to.

Sony on the other hand is bleeding money and they took huge losses early in the generation and now to try and inch up into second place they have to take even more losses according to them .

Nintendo is out in lala land . They have almost no online to speak of and thats a huge factor this gen and is going to simply be required in the next gen. No one is going to buy a wii u if they have to type in friend codes to play online games and all the features they are used to on psn and even more so on xbox live are missing .


I fully expect MS to design and ship a $500 system that sells for $400

 

[Proelite]

2013 means a console that is power-wise quite close to the Wii U.

Depends on the power draw of the Wii U and the Loop. The Wii was <20W compared to the 175W of the 360. If Wii U has a comparable power draw to Loop, then the Wii U would be comparable, unless Nintendo is going with 45nm for all the chips, in which the loop would be easily 3-4 times more powerful in the same power package.

 

[Arpeggio23]

Xbox Infinity would be a great name. Loop? Not so much.

 

[Proelite]

I fully expect MS to design and ship a $500 system that sells for $400

Not happening because they don't need to.

They'll make the cheapest system that they can that allows them to do these things graphically:

1. Support the latest DirectX.
2. Be substantial leap over the 360, and to some extent the Wii-U.

They can do that with a $300 system and still make money in 2013.

 

[pelican]

I can't see them annoucing the console during E3 2013 then shipping it 3 months earlier.

Surely it would be announced at the upcoming E3 next year in order to allow hype to build through 2013.

 

[Neuromancer]

Xbox Infinity would be a great name. Loop? Not so much.

Pretty sure that would just be a code name anyway.

 

[eastmen]

Not happening because they don't need to.

They'll make the cheapest system that they can that allows them to do these things graphically:

1. Support the latest DirectX.
2. Be substantial leap over the 360, and to some extent the Wii-U.

They can do that with a $300 system and still make money in 2013.

I disagree . MS is going to watn their system to last longer than the xbox 360 does. They already see this generation that you can keep the price high through the generation.

The xbox 360 launched at $300/$400 and still sells for $200 to $450 6 years later

 

[clip]

I wish they'd drop the subtitles and just call it Xbox.

 

[Something Wicked]

Not happening because they don't need to.

They'll make the cheapest system that they can that allows them to do these things graphically:

1. Support the latest DirectX.
2. Be substantial leap over the 360, and to some extent the Wii-U.

They can do that with a $300 system and still make money in 2013.

No, MS isn't looking for their next console to instantly be in the black. They're looking to knock-out either Nintendo or Sony or both from the video game console manufacturing business. If successful, their Xbox division would become very profitable in the not-too distant future.

 

[low-G]

A loop is a circle, also known as a 360, also known as a REVOLUTION.

NINTENDO REVOLUTION, MS AND NINTENDO CO-DEVELOPING PLATFORM

 

[Proelite]

I disagree . MS is going to watn their system to last longer than the xbox 360 does. They already see this generation that you can keep the price high through the generation.

The xbox 360 launched at $300/$400 and still sells for $200 to $450 6 years later

I don't think anyone knows what will happen in the next ten years in the console industry. Some industry shifting event could happen that totally shorten the lifespan of the next Xbox, i.e. streaming games becoming ubiquitous. Having an obsolete, money bleeding console on the market would look pretty stupid then. That's something that Sony, not MS, would do.

The next Xbox should at least break even out of the gate at $399. With $399 price tag, it can be probably be as powerful as its power consumption requirements allow at 150-200W.

 

[bigtroyjon]

They're looking to knock-out either Nintendo or Sony or both from the video game console manufacturing business. If successful, their Xbox division would become very profitable in the not-too distant future.

If they really cared about eliminating rivals they would be selling the 360 for $100 right now. Would cost them a lot less money than launching a new cash bleeding console and also has a lot less risk.

 

[eastmen]

I don't think anyone knows what will happen in the next ten years in the console industry. Some industry shifting event could happen that totally shorten the lifespan of the next Xbox, i.e. streaming games becoming ubiquitous. Having an obsolete, money bleeding console on the market would look pretty stupid then. That's something that Sony, not MS, would do.

The next Xbox should at least break even out of the gate at $399. With $399 price tag, it can be probably be as powerful as its power consumption requirements allow at 150-200W.

MS can take a loss on the xbox for its first year or two. The xbox 360 would have been profitable much sooner if it wasn't for the rrod problems.

As for 150-200w set up , you can make a pretty nice pc that uses about that power

 

[Shanadeus]

Depends on the power draw of the Wii U and the Loop. The Wii was <20W compared to the 175W of the 360. If Wii U has a comparable power draw to Loop, then the Wii U would be comparable, unless Nintendo is going with 45nm for all the chips, in which the loop would be easily 3-4 times more powerful in the same power package.

Two words:

Liquid Cooling.

 

[Proelite]

Two words:

Liquid Cooling.

Artic cooling.

 

[subversus]

Nitrogen cooling. Do it MS.

 

[mckmas8808]

2013 means a console that is power-wise quite close to the Wii U.

WAT?! How do you figure that?

 

[btkadams]

2013 means a console that is power-wise quite close to the Wii U.

just like how the 360 was quite close power-wise to the wii, right? ;P

 

[FoxSpirit]

Picked up a rumour: the XBox successor is supposedly announced before the year is over.
I can't completele vouch for the source except that he does know the right people and has 0 reasons to lie to me.
I'm curious.

 

[Phonomezer]

Picked up a rumour: the XBox successor is supposedly announced before the year is over.
I can't completele vouch for the source except that he does know the right people and has 0 reasons to lie to me.
I'm curious.

Isn't there some kind of xbox event soon? Or has it already happened?

 

[Proelite]

Picked up a rumour: the XBox successor is supposedly announced before the year is over.
I can't completele vouch for the source except that he does know the right people and has 0 reasons to lie to me.
I'm curious.

Was this the uncle of your sister's friend?

 

[FoxSpirit]

Was this the uncle of your sister's friend?

No, a bit more personal :laughs: