Cornbread78
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ViolentP said:
*high five*
so true.... 20 mins to go, someone else make a fool of themselves or say something really stupid please, Entertainment +1!
All praise: @#$%#%#^#
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Sony: geohot is altering evidence and fleeing to South America, Geohot: No I'm not
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*high five*
so true.... 20 mins to go, someone else make a fool of themselves or say something really stupid please, Entertainment +1!
All praise: @#$%#%#^#
lifa-cobex
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Speevy said:
Just what i was thinking
donkey show
Member
But not his South American vacation.Utako said:
BobTheFork
Member
There is no reason to 'flee'
There is a reason to ' purposefully be out of the country at the correct time to further delay a process there is evidence you are already trying to delay'
I hope they aren't simply dismissing it as coincidence, that would be as they said ridiculous nonsense.
There is a reason to ' purposefully be out of the country at the correct time to further delay a process there is evidence you are already trying to delay'
I hope they aren't simply dismissing it as coincidence, that would be as they said ridiculous nonsense.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
Member
Kagari said:
More delicious than ridiculous. So tasty this stupidity...
makingmusic476
Member
Holy shit. About I month ago I said to a friend it'd be hilarious if geohot just took the money and skipped town. It was just a joke, but it looks like I may have been on the money.
SouthernDragon
Member
Ay Caramba!
Mithos
Member
Curufinwe said:
It is legal mumbo-jumbo, place one word wrong and a case might be thrown out of court.
In this case they asked for Geohotz harddrives, and that's what they got, sure you, me and other might say that the controlled card should have been attached to it but they were not, and maybe the court will decide that's the case to, but he DID send his harddrives in.
If Geohotz did NOT walk up to his computer removed the harddrives, and then unscrewed the controllercards, and sent the hardrives in, I see no wrong with it.
If Geohotz DID walk up to his computer removed the harddrives, and then unscrewed the controllercards, and sent the hardrives in, then he SHOULD get in trouble.
People twist and turn words to suit them when it comes to lawsuits, sometimes it blow up in their faces other times it works flawlessly.
Where this will end, we will have to wait and see...
Cornbread78
Member
There's his lawyers starting the celebration on their stall tactics...
MustacheBandit_
Member
FINALBOSS said:
you can't honestly believe thats all it comes down to. can you? oh man, please say you are joking.
notworksafe
Member
Let's assume that he didn't remove the controller card. How did he use those hard drives in his computer?Mithos said:
Cornbread78
Member
MrPliskin said:
2012 brotha.... It's ALL Sony's fault....
UltimaPooh
Member
Haha... wow.
Well I look stupid for donating.
Well I look stupid for donating.
Mithos
Member
Yeah and we will soon see what the Judge are thinking about this,he/she, will probably not see this with kind eyes.Curufinwe said:
I didn't say he didn't, I just said they were not screwed to the actual harddrive.notworksafe said:
And I know its stupid, but crazier things happen.
Stopped reading partially through page 5, and I've only skimmed this current page so forgive me if I'm incorrect in assuming that many people in this thread still think he stole the donations and "fled" the country. Also, I apologize if my attempts at making a post that is not 3 sentences long and contains at least one joke alarm some of you. This type of writing is not something I'm good at, as anyone who's read my posts get torn about Amir0x knows 
1. It's a civil suit. Why the hell would he flee the country when he's only under a civil suit? At worst he's going to owe Sony money, not go to jail. So he's escaping this by...spending money hiding?
2. Sony's lawyers were aware that Geohot wasn't in the country. How is he fleeing if Sony (and presumably the judge) know that he's gone? And he is perfectly free to leave the country at any time as long as it does not interfere with the case, and besides the hard drive issue, this leave does not affect the case an any way.
3. I am not a lawyer, and I know almost nothing about the profession besides the absolute basics and have little understanding of the law (like most of us here). However, we all seem to be in agreement that taking donations and then spending them on a personal vacation is illegal. Even if Hotz didn't spend the donations on acquiring more lawyers, we know he has at least one and I'm sure that regardless of his exact area of expertise, this lawyer would know that spending the money on a vacation would be the absolute dumbest thing to do in this situation.
4. So Hotz is spending his defense fund on a vacation instead of defending himself? Against a multi billion dollar international corporation? Does this make even the slightest bit of sense? Do you seriously think he is this stupid? If Hotz loses, he is most likely going to be sued for a ridiculous amount of money. He wants to win this case more than anyone on this board wants him to.
5. Do you book and pay for trips a few days in advance? Do you just fly to another continent on a whim? Is it not entirely possible that Hotz scheduled this trip to South America months ago? When I traveled to Europe I had been planning the trip for a year. I doubt he just skipped on down to South America out of nowhere.
6. GEOHOT IS NOT A HERO He's an annoying, arrogant, egotistical douchebag and I support him because I want to own a computer I buy. It is not a toy, it is a machine.
I apologize if any of the above was confusing to read. I am horrible at organizing my thoughts into written words and I take a very long time to put all the pieces together and be able to express my opinions to others.
1. It's a civil suit. Why the hell would he flee the country when he's only under a civil suit? At worst he's going to owe Sony money, not go to jail. So he's escaping this by...spending money hiding?
2. Sony's lawyers were aware that Geohot wasn't in the country. How is he fleeing if Sony (and presumably the judge) know that he's gone? And he is perfectly free to leave the country at any time as long as it does not interfere with the case, and besides the hard drive issue, this leave does not affect the case an any way.
3. I am not a lawyer, and I know almost nothing about the profession besides the absolute basics and have little understanding of the law (like most of us here). However, we all seem to be in agreement that taking donations and then spending them on a personal vacation is illegal. Even if Hotz didn't spend the donations on acquiring more lawyers, we know he has at least one and I'm sure that regardless of his exact area of expertise, this lawyer would know that spending the money on a vacation would be the absolute dumbest thing to do in this situation.
4. So Hotz is spending his defense fund on a vacation instead of defending himself? Against a multi billion dollar international corporation? Does this make even the slightest bit of sense? Do you seriously think he is this stupid? If Hotz loses, he is most likely going to be sued for a ridiculous amount of money. He wants to win this case more than anyone on this board wants him to.
5. Do you book and pay for trips a few days in advance? Do you just fly to another continent on a whim? Is it not entirely possible that Hotz scheduled this trip to South America months ago? When I traveled to Europe I had been planning the trip for a year. I doubt he just skipped on down to South America out of nowhere.
6. GEOHOT IS NOT A HERO He's an annoying, arrogant, egotistical douchebag and I support him because I want to own a computer I buy. It is not a toy, it is a machine.
I apologize if any of the above was confusing to read. I am horrible at organizing my thoughts into written words and I take a very long time to put all the pieces together and be able to express my opinions to others.
Cornbread78
Member
They get paid either way, since they are defendants in the case.... but their stall tactics are certainly working...Evlar said:
ViolentP
Member
I will be taking donations to ensure Geohot does not become a deterrent in the fight against DMCA. Our equipment, our property. If we allow Geohot's actions to be used as evidence against us, our demands for freedom to control our property will forever be in jeopardy. Please people, donate to the cause. Even if you don't plan on hacking, homebrewing or jailbreaking your devices, the future of technology and in turn, the decisions of the courts will affect you.
Please, donate to support your meatball sub from Firehouse, er, rights.
Please, donate to support your meatball sub from Firehouse, er, rights.
indigo-cyclops
Member
This guy...ends up a shady criminal hacker for hire living in some far-off land. Sounds like the premise of a movie.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Hilarious!! Will wait for the response of that dude who rejected Sony's offer to wok in R&D... What a tool these people are...
Mithos said:
C'mon man, you are intentionally selectively quoting me to distort the issue.
What I in the very next sentence of the post you quoted was that the time of the tampering doesn't matter, what matters is whether he did it with the reasonable knowledge that the evidence would be requested in court.
Now, if Geohot had removed the controllers prior to receiving the request, what matters is the intent of the action.
1. If he removed those controllers because he expected that the drives would be considered evidence in an investigation, then that is tampering.
2. If he removed those controllers for some other reason, and did not have a reasonable expectation that they would be requested as evidence, then it is not tampering.
The problem here is that it is pretty difficult to come up with a compelling argument that makes (2) more likely than (1). Can you come up with a reason he might remove the controller cards that is more likely than that he was anticipating the drives would be used as part of a lawsuit?
It would be Like that movie 1984 where Big Brother or like these crazies think, evil Sony, would ban you and arrest you for hacking your console.MrPliskin said:
Look at mods, jail. Read wiki entry, jail! See porno, jail!
Seriously thou, only people it would effect is egoistic hackers. Even if Sony can sue Geo-wannabes if they win, they wouldnt be able to trace anonymous scene groups from warez sites. Geo did the dumbest thing possible and must deal with consequences, simple as that. Those who keep harping the "we must donate for a cause" wouldn't have to give money if that moron didn't go as public as he did.
Omotesando
Member
Geohot, owning noobs for a living.
Bumblebeetuna
Gold Member
It's funny that Sony is taking the guy to court for no reason other than to milk the trial for all they can and bleed him dry yet their lawyers get so pissy over geohot delaying things as well. If anything, they should be happy.
I donated a small amount of money to him, if it buys him a few drinks on a beach somewhere while he escapes this dumb ass trial then it was well worth it.
I donated a small amount of money to him, if it buys him a few drinks on a beach somewhere while he escapes this dumb ass trial then it was well worth it.
Acquiescence
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ViolentP said:
Oh God, that actually made me lol pretty damn hard. The magic is all in the structure of the sentences I think.
mentalfloss
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Zoe said:
Isn't that a normal charade to give one side more time?
TOAO_Cyrus
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Cruzader said:
Or maybe companies will continue to abuse the DMCA by locking down whole systems and claiming its illegal to hack because it allows piracy?
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