You just made me think of something, what does shaking the Yoshi egg do? We haven't seen that yet, right?
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Super Mario Maker: Not all tools available from the start, unlock over 9 days
- Thread starter ElectricBlanketFire
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You just made me think of something, what does shaking the Yoshi egg do? We haven't seen that yet, right?
GustyGardens
Banned
They showed that off during a recent IGN Plays Live stream. It doesn't do anything.
No one is allowed to make sweeping generalizations until they get rid of their persecution complex.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Getting really tired of Nintendo's antics.
LittleBigPlanet, the series this game is most similar to and basically copying, NEVER pulled a stunt like this. This ain't a budget game either (which arguably it should be), it's full priced which makes this even worse. This is looking more and more like a "pass".
LittleBigPlanet, the series this game is most similar to and basically copying, NEVER pulled a stunt like this. This ain't a budget game either (which arguably it should be), it's full priced which makes this even worse. This is looking more and more like a "pass".
EatinOlives
Member
Fair enough, I shouldn't have said "walls of text" because the problem isn't actually the amount of text presented, it's the fact that you have to press A twice per message (once to skip the text scrolling, another to get it to go to the next message). All in all it's a constant mashing of the A button for a non-trivial amount of time (as you said 10 seconds), which is annoying because it adds a non-trivial amount of start-up time each and every time you start the game provided the map rotation changed since you last booted. It's a similar problem with Nintendo putting information front-and-center and halting all gameplay when it could simply be inferred or put in a much better place (i.e., a scrolling ticker at the bottom of the screen). I could understand that choice the first few weeks after the game launched to help get people up to speed to the game's rotating map system, but now that it's August all they really need to do is "Hi. Welcome back. Current Ranked Maps: [1], [2]. Current Unranked Maps: [3]. [4]. Bye." on the bottom of the screen. Hell, they probably don't even need that. The current map list is in the map lobby. If I'm going to play online I'll go to the lobby anyway, where I'll see what maps are in rotation anyway.
Nintendo wants to force horse blinders for people constantly when it comes to conveying information. With Splatoon it's literally halting everything and throwing you into a forced dialog every time the maps change. With Mario Maker it's railroading everyone into an unlock scheme that is completely rigid in its rate of unlocks regardless of who the player is. The problem with Mario Maker isn't that there's a progression system, but rather the rigidity of it, similar to how the problem of Splatoon's News thing isn't that they convey the information, but rather how rigidly it's conveyed.
Fourth Storm
Member
I think this is all part of Nintendo's strategy to keep people coming back for more. Iwata (R.I.P.) seemed to indicate this in an investor Q&A:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/150217qa/03.htmlIwata said:
This thread is something else I tell you what.
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Deleted member 1235
Unconfirmed Member
nintendo understands that peoples attention spans are short and a constant release of 'new' content holds the attention longer. also, I imagine dumping something like a level editor with 100000 option on 90% of the population would be overwhelming.
so buy it in a month and do some homework in the meantime you spoiled child.
UncleSporky
Member
Why would the target audience want to make levels for a game series they haven't played and don't care about? Isn't the target audience kids who have played a Mario game before and now want to make their own levels?
And wouldn't that target audience be the same age we were when we got to play around with editors like Incredible Machine, which gave us all its features right from the start and wasn't confusing at all?
Yoshi could eat fireballs/fire enemeis and iceballs/ice enemies in the NSMB games, but he was never in the same level as fire bar and jet engines, so this new. SMW didn't have fire bars and jet engines, so there is no precedent saying he can't in that style, and since they took away the ability to breath fire from eating a red shell, they probably gave him the ability to breath fire from eating fire. I haven't seen him do it in that style, but don't see why he wouldn't. Another change they made is that the spin jump in NSMBU style now has the invincibility properties of the SMW spin jump, and Mario can bounce off munchers despite not being able to before.
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Worst post in the thread.
Two people have said this is a deal-breaker in the entire thread.
InspectorSpaceman
Neo Member
It looks like there is a ground pound function to the red stiletto in the just released trailer.
I think this is very true. At least in my case, I'm more likely to come back to a game for like 30 minutes a day every day when I'm unlocking stuff.
If I have everything unlocked at the start, I'll blow my wad quickly the first day and stop playing the game as much. Again, that's just me and not everyone would be this way.
You could argue that LBP pulled a worse stunt by locking content behind gates that required multiple players to coordinate in a game that was laggy and had poor physics.
Bummer
There are more reasonable ways to unlock stuff.
Something as simple as "Simple" mode vs "Advanced" mode.
Something as simple as a skipabble tutorial mode.
Something as simple as "learn to play" milestones, where the game guides you con creating stages, limiting what you can you use on each lesson.
Something as simple as unlocking as you do stuff.
But unlocking by waiting days is something that is an obvious turn-off for the hardcore crowd.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Didn't Little Big Planet lock level features behind Single Player unlocks?
It's been years since I've played that game, so I don't remember.
I do remember them locking the crazy level prop known as "water" behind DLC.
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Deleted member 1235
Unconfirmed Member
what an analysis. it's not idiotic. it's idiotic for YOU. and you probably make up the .001% of their spreadsheet of consumer interests that they deem 'not financially relevant'
you can call them morons I guess, but if splatoon is anything to go by, drip feeding the content of a game is a good business plan. you don't have to like it, but don't outright call it stupid, because it pretty much is not. 'extra content' , 'for free' is something that keeps people coming back.
too much content at once leads to overload as well. we all know this right? 1000000 options at the start leads me to 'fuck I guess I'll play 1,1' then give up for a bit.
UncleSporky
Member
Is this something we know from past experience? Incredible Machine, Trackmania, Little Big Planet, Boom Blox, whatever? Are people really confused and receive these games poorly?
Nintendo copying LBP? Is this a joke? LBP was the first? oh my....
Not sure the reason for the quotes around the word pass but if you are passing on the game for this reason then wow.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
That game shipped without gameplay though.
balladofwindfishes
Member
The notion that people believe Nintendo didn't do this without proper market research and focus group testing is astonishing.
Tell me one game you played where the first five minutes were so overwhelming you quit forever.
To Far Away Times
Member
Just like Splatoon, this is about taking a potentially challenging tool or new idea and giving it to the player in pieces so they are not overwhelmed.
This is so dumb and unNintendo.
Why not have something like a "Tooltorial"? Plop the player into a situation where they have to use one of the specific unlockable tools to reach a goal or clear an obstacle.
Player starts on one side of a large open pit, they're given koopas + wing tools, "Reach the goal", give enemies items, "Defeat all enemies". Stuff like that, with a full toolrow mix at the end, reminiscent of Rhythm Heaven.
Engage the player through content unlocks. This is Mario Maker developed by Nintendo, they could've done so much more.
Having a timer is so arbitrary. The dripfeed "keep the player's interest over time" strategy just seems so scummy.
Why not have something like a "Tooltorial"? Plop the player into a situation where they have to use one of the specific unlockable tools to reach a goal or clear an obstacle.
Player starts on one side of a large open pit, they're given koopas + wing tools, "Reach the goal", give enemies items, "Defeat all enemies". Stuff like that, with a full toolrow mix at the end, reminiscent of Rhythm Heaven.
Engage the player through content unlocks. This is Mario Maker developed by Nintendo, they could've done so much more.
Having a timer is so arbitrary. The dripfeed "keep the player's interest over time" strategy just seems so scummy.
Supermanisdead
Member
Nah dude, you gotta play at least a day to really understand how to properly incorporate wild and exotic Mario mechanics like the Fire Flower. Nintendo's just looking out for the masses who aren't expert level programmers.
I'll never forget the mental breakdown I suffered when I first saw a 1UP mushroom. What did 1 UP even mean? Why didn't I get bigger? What was the meaning of "lives?" The shock and horror of these challenging Mario mechanics was simply too much to process. Thank God Nintendo in 2015 knows that gamers can't handle an overwhelming amount of ideas on day 1.
I wish they would atleast explain some of the decisions that they make. I am sure it would atleast make some kind of sense if they explained it, maybe?
Or maybe I sympathize with Nintendo plight, releasing a passion project, a Mario level creator, only for people to go and create garbage levels by throwing everything and the kitchen sink into the first level they make only then to complain about it. Sometimes people really are stupid and need restraints. Is 9 days too long? Yes 100%, but not having everything available for everyone day one is something I agree with as long as the content is added in within a reasonable time and of course free.
Like they did with the Wii U?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
haha.
The Lamonster
Member
what the fuck is this
I've never heard of such a thing.
I've never heard of such a thing.
A Link to the Past
Banned
So wait, I need clarity: are the locked tools things we already know about?
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Speaking of proper market research, here they are last year asking where you bought Smash Bros 3DS. Did you buy your copy at Blockbuster like I did?
So about 90% of it's audiance then?
Nobody's perfect. There is no company with a perfect record for product launches. Not even Apple.
Linkstrikesback
Member
As opposed to everyone jus tmaking garbage levels with what little they're given in the first day? You're going to have to explain to me how that's any better.
The people who are going to be good at desgining great levels are going to do it when they can. Most of the people are going to make terrible levels no amtter how content is gated off. At least, certainly not like this.
Gating content by a timer does nothing to teach you how to make a good level and so it is absolutely pointless.
I think they're trying to "train" the early adopters/ambassadors by forcing them to focus on one set of tools at a time, so that they develop some mastery of the fundamentals. This could lead to better levels earlier.
Or so they think. I really don't think this is necessary, but Nintendo gonna Nintendo.
Or so they think. I really don't think this is necessary, but Nintendo gonna Nintendo.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Then I hate it
Splatoon is neat because it's like, if you're not looking at the text dumps you don't know anything about it.
We've seen tons of this stuff, like the Chain Chomp, and then we're going to get the game and wait nine days to use Chain Chomps.
But can't we just move the clock ahead nine days? Or is it a flat "nine days after release, this shit is available"?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Kamek should be unlocked at day 999.
That's the way I see them thinking, but the way I see it, that's more of a reason for people not to bother being early adopters. Unless everyone's stuck behind this 9 Day Timer no matter when they pick up this game, like some of the stuff in WarioWare: DIY was.
