It'll do 12 million easily and likely end up at 15-17 million units soldBe careful with your predictions that this will sell gangbusters. Most recent Sony exclusive flopped hard. Really hard. I think 17M of the first game is out of reach. No way with this story and characters.
Yes, I've watched the leaked footage and examined it in depth, and my takeaway is that the game looks great, really fucking good. I don't have an issue with any of the content and I feel that "the fanbase" are overreacting wildly.
Honestly, much of the internet response to the leaked footage has left a foul taste in my mouth. I kinda expect to read a lot of stupid hot-takes on the internet, but this has really taken the cake.
Let's just say, opinions about this game seriously soured right after the E3 2018 gameplay reveal trailer.I'm not asking for any spoilers but are people hating on this game because they are being homophobic?
With the amount of dislikes on that video you would’ve thought half of the game would be behind a paywall. But nope. Man-children gonna be man-children.
Not at all, not the vast majority. There might be like 3 nutjobs somewhere, but they're the same nutjobs who cared about the Left Behind DLC. Without spoiling it it's kind of hard to explain. Suffice it to say that the main points of contention are the forcing of certain political issues and story beats and events that are going to be...extremely divisive...to say the least. Some people won't mind them, some will hate them. I doubt many will actually love them.I'm not asking for any spoilers but are people hating on this game because they are being homophobic?
To my knowledge having homosexuals in a game doesn't exactly make it bad.
OK, that’s bold prediction tbh, we’ll see.It'll do 12 million easily and likely end up at 15-17 million units sold
And the dislikes will look even funnier when this game scores very well and sells very wellOK, that’s bold prediction tbh, we’ll see.
Anyway, this is latest update on like/dislike ratio on that video.
Not at all, not the vast majority. There might be like 3 nutjobs somewhere, but they're the same nutjobs who cared about the Left Behind DLC. Without spoiling it it's kind of hard to explain. Suffice it to say that the main points of contention are the forcing of certain political issues and story beats and events that are going to be...extremely divisive...to say the least. Some people won't mind them, some will hate them. I doubt many will actually love them.
That could be an interpretation. It's not just that though. It's bordering on preachy. I don't care what people in their personal lives...I still have no wish to be preached at. And that's totally separate from the story beats and specific events people are taking issue with...but for obvious reasons I can't go into those. You'll likely know exactly what they are when you come to play it.So is it a game that tries to force people to accept homosexuals?
Like if your someone who isn't comfortable with homosexuals it tries to make you feel like a criminal?
I'm really trying to understand why some people are freaking out over this.
So is it a game that tries to force people to accept homosexuals?
Like if your someone who isn't comfortable with homosexuals it tries to make you feel like a criminal?
I'm really trying to understand why some people are freaking out over this.
Did you like Left Behind?
The kiss in the end didn't bother me at all. I enjoyed playing it.
That could be an interpretation. It's not just that though. It's bordering on preachy. I don't care what people in their personal lives...I still have no wish to be preached at. And that's totally separate from the story beats and specific events people are taking issue with...but for obvious reasons I can't go into those. You'll likely know exactly what they are when you come to play it.
I think it's more openly gay people exist in media = "preachy".I'm starting to understand it now.
Like how the press focuses on the abuse that the LGBT community gets over the same abuse that the Non LGBT community gets.
Not saying the LGBT community doesn't get mistreated but being LGBT doesn't make them any more special than a straight person.
An example would be the LGBT community in Spain gets aid due to their sexual preference. The justification is that this aid is to help offset the discrimination that they get. When the reality is they should be treated the same way that straight people do. Being part of the LGBT community shouldn't give you any additional rights.
So what I'm guessing is bugging people is that Druckman is trying to say that members of the LGBT community deserve more rights than straight people do.
I haven't seen any spoilers but I'll make a guess at the overall feel of the story. It's basically a story about the straight community mistreating the LGBT community in a post apocalyptic environment. The story highlights this injustice and tries to make the straight community look evil and the LGBT community like innocent victims of their sexuality. So instead of trying tell a story about survival it's a story about Straights vs LGBT. Everything else gets tossed out the window to push this narrative.
That's my theory anyways.
I think it's more openly gay people exist in media = "preachy".
Remember how "preachy" Left Behind was? If you liked that you should, apparently, be ok. Pretty much tells you everything.
*looks at URL*I think it's more openly gay people exist in media = "preachy".
I know that feeling, some opinions about this game got me checking I'm not on stormfront.*looks at URL*
Strange, could've sworn I was on GAF, not ERA...
Seeing as how I've not seen anyone espousing white nationalism in response to the leaks that sounds like a you problem...and one that is unbecoming of a GAFfer. That kind of "I disagree therefore you're a Nazi" rhetoric also sounds like an ERA hot take. That's 2 ERAtakes in as many posts. You'll fit right in...or you can stop being a reductionist knob and come back into the GAF fold.I know that feeling, some opinions about this game got me checking I'm not on stormfront.
Honestly wish I could say the sameAlready read the leaks and I;m still super fucking excited. Not disappointed at all.
I have met the great gatekeeper of GAF, tester of purity it would seem.Seeing as how I've not seen anyone espousing white nationalism in response to the leaks that sounds like a you problem...and one that is unbecoming of a GAFfer. That kind of "I disagree therefore you're a Nazi" rhetoric also sounds like an ERA hot take. That's 2 ERAtakes in as many posts. You'll fit right in...or you can stop being a reductionist knob and come back into the GAF fold.
Ha, I wish my title was so grand! I'm merely pointing out that you should leave that kind of attitude at the door. As a general rule it's not appreciated here...something of which you should be keenly aware seeing as how you've been here significantly longer than I.I have met the great gatekeeper of GAF, tester of purity it would seem.
I know that feeling, some opinions about this game got me checking I'm not on stormfront.
As long as the game doesn't brainwash us to change our sexuality I will not have any issues with it.
Seeing as how I've not seen anyone espousing white nationalism in response to the leaks that sounds like a you problem...and one that is unbecoming of a GAFfer. That kind of "I disagree therefore you're a Nazi" rhetoric also sounds like an ERA hot take. That's 2 ERAtakes in as many posts. You'll fit right in...or you can stop being a reductionist knob and come back into the GAF fold.
My response was a spiffy joke to your disingenuous, purity testing. And you're right, I have been here longer than you. That's how I know that people who throw out "HUH-DUH YOU DA ERA" are idiots incapable of forming proper arguments, having any sort of conversation and don't give a shit about games but only care about TEH CULTUH WARZZZ.Ha, I wish my title was so grand! I'm merely pointing out that you should leave that kind of attitude at the door. As a general rule it's not appreciated here...something of which you should be keenly aware seeing as how you've been here significantly longer than I.
I think you mean the mass exodus of the ERAtards...something which has only been for the betterment of GAF. I'd much rather have freedom to disagree without being lynched by a mob then perma'd than "progressive ideals and industry innovators".I, too, have been here much longer than you. I can safely say that gaf used to be a less edgelordy place to hang around with more progressive ideals and industry innovators. The influx of Reddit and 4chan boys has really changed the face of Gaf.
My response was a spiffy joke
I think you mean the mass exodus of the ERAtards...something which has only been for the betterment of GAF. I'd much rather have freedom to disagree without being lynched by a mob then perma'd than "progressive ideals and industry innovators".
I don't care if you think it's "distasteful boy humor". Grow old, not up...you boring old fart. As for having the freedom to disagree here back in the day...why don't you go and test that theory on ResetERA right now? After all, that's where all the people who used to lynch, then permaban, then lynch again, are now. I avoided NeoGAF at the time for a good reason and it's the same reason I avoid ResetERA today.Using play-on-words like "ERAtards" further proves my point. Distasteful boy humor, the likes of which most professionals got over in middle school. A certain standard used to be the norm on here, but now we have edgelordy reddit boys who think they're clever and innovative because they go against the social progressive grain. People have always had the freedom to disagree on here (believe me, I was here). But there's a thing called the Paradox of Intolerance. If you tolerate the intolerant, the intolerant will rise.
Holy moly, the dislikes on this video...
I'm not asking for any spoilers but are people hating on this game because they are being homophobic?
To my knowledge having homosexuals in a game doesn't exactly make it bad.
Holy moly, the dislikes on this video...
I'm not asking for any spoilers but are people hating on this game because they are being homophobic?
To my knowledge having homosexuals in a game doesn't exactly make it bad.
The bottom line is Druckmann's politics and socio-political outlook were just as progressive back when he wrote and directed the first TLOU, and its a game most people seemed to love. Now people are claiming that due to those same personal politics TLOU2 cannot be any good.
I don't care if you think it's "distasteful boy humor". Grow old, not up...you boring old fart. As for having the freedom to disagree here back in the day...why don't you go and test that theory on ResetERA right now? After all, that's where all the people who used to lynch, then permaban, then lynch again, are now. I avoided NeoGAF at the time for a good reason and it's the same reason I avoid ResetERA today.
Holy moly, the dislikes on this video...
This is completely untrue. The first game had 1 gay character: Bill (it wasn't mentioned for Ellie in the base game), and you could play through the whole game and not pick up on it. The game never clearly told you but only hinted at it. In Left Behind Ellie & Riley were gay, this was show by one innocent kiss between two 13 year olds. And already there were people who lost their shit (apparently some in this thread couldn't even bring themselves to beat the game). In TLOU2 Ellie is openly gay and this is shown in the same way any heteosexual adult relationship would be shown... And here the sky is falling, everyone panic, western civilization has fallen, Stalin has been resurrected, everyone goes to the Gulags.The first game had homosexuals in it and everyone loved it. Anyone who’s telling you the negative reaction to TLOU2 is because of “muh homophobia” is spinning a yarn.
And again...why don't you go and put that claim to the test over on ResetERA, where the people you claim used to be reasonable now are?Again, reasonable disagreement (supported with evidence and a general sense of acceptance) was and should always be the goal line.
A little wisdom for you: Being a condescending bellend will get you nowhere and does a very poor job of convincing anyone of anything...my child...Growth and change is a good thing, my child.
This is completely untrue. The first game had 1 gay character: Bill (it wasn't mentioned for Ellie in the base game), and you could play through the whole game and not pick up on it. The game never clearly told you but only hinted at it. In Left Behind Ellie & Riley were gay, this was show by one innocent kiss between two 13 year olds. And already there were people who lost their shit (apparently some in this thread couldn't even bring themselves to beat the game). In TLOU2 Ellie is openly gay and this is shown in the same way any heteosexual adult relationship would be shown... And here the sky is falling, everyone panic, western civilization has fallen, Stalin has been resurrected, everyone goes to the Gulags.
lol *People* are only ok when gay characters are in games if they're hidden. If their homosexuality is only hinted at. Otherwise it's "woke" and that's bad. How do you not make something woke? Easy, remove the openly gay characters. This whole "anti-woke" movement is so fucking transparent.
And again...why don't you go and put that claim to the test over on ResetERA, where the people you claim used to be reasonable now are?
A little wisdom for you: Being a condescending bellend will get you nowhere and does a very poor job of convincing anyone of anything...my child...
Druckmann had nowhere near as much creative control as he has now, he didn't pretty much run Naughty Dog, gaming journalism wasn't politically charged like it is now, and neither was the industry in general.
Totally, i mean there have been politics in games forever, maybe you (and i dont mean you specifically I mean figuratively) dont agree with it and thats fine. But that doesnt give you the absolute to shit on a product because it doesnt cater to you. News flash, not all products are for you or will cater to you. I dont like toy story movies because I wana see some limbs blown off. But I can still acknowledge its a good product while realizing "hey you know what, its just not for me"He's talked in depth how Anita Sarkeesian's stuff had a huge impact on the first game, and he's the sole credited writer on the project. That's more than enough "control" for anyone, and yet it turned out well.
Seems to me the main thing that's changed is that the internet has become incredibly polarized and politically tribal. To the extent that anything that is presumed to be affiliated with the "other side" must be taken down at all costs.
Its batshit insane.
And again...why don't you go and put that claim to the test over on ResetERA, where the people you claim used to be reasonable now are?
A little wisdom for you: Being a condescending bellend will get you nowhere and does a very poor job of convincing anyone of anything...my child...
This is completely untrue. The first game had 1 gay character: Bill (it wasn't mentioned for Ellie in the base game), and you could play through the whole game and not pick up on it. The game never clearly told you but only hinted at it. In Left Behind Ellie & Riley were gay, this was show by one innocent kiss between two 13 year olds. And already there were people who lost their shit (apparently some in this thread couldn't even bring themselves to beat the game). In TLOU2 Ellie is openly gay and this is shown in the same way any heteosexual adult relationship would be shown... And here the sky is falling, everyone panic, western civilization has fallen, Stalin has been resurrected, everyone goes to the Gulags.
lol *People* are only ok when gay characters are in games if they're hidden. If their homosexuality is only hinted at. Otherwise it's "woke" and that's bad. How do you not make something woke? Easy, remove the openly gay characters. This whole "anti-woke" movement is so fucking transparent.
Compare that to TLOU2 whose very first thing we see is Ellie, not as a character, but her sexuality. She is "gay" and that is her sole defining characteristic in almost every promotional trailer we have seen that has involved her. That has been how she was written since the original game's DLC.
Its shit writing, plain and simple. Nothing with being "homophobic" like you so blatantly try to claim here. No one has an issue with Bill. No one had an issue with Sylvando from DQ11. I will repeat this as it seems to be so very hard for you to comprehend: They were characters first and foremost, their sexuality were not their sole defining characteristic. They were written as people who just happened to be gay. This is how you *should* write a character.
But anyways, ignore reality as that is what you always tend to do. Anything to further grand stand on your moral soapbox, eh?
Nope. Plenty of people back in the day said they didn't even notice Bill was gay. He only vaguely refers to "his partner", and there he owns a gay porn mag that Ellie snatches. And that's it, those are the extent of his homosexuality. Bill is also a side character we briefly meet for for one section of the game, he has no real bearing on the overall plot. But if he did, oh boy, you would be mad.People didn't have an issue with Bill because he was a *character* first and his sexuality wasn't the defining characteristic. He wasn't"hidden" like you wrongfully claim. His sexuality was there for anyone to see and it was done tastefully.
More disingenuous shit. In ONE TRAILER it is established that she has a love interest that will be relevant to the plot. If this was a heterosexual relationship you wouldn't be complaining.Compare that to TLOU2 whose very first thing we see is Ellie, not as a character, but her sexuality. She is "gay" and that is her sole defining characteristic in almost every promotional trailer we have seen that has involved her. That has been how she was written since the original game's DLC.
Oh wait. You assume the normal people who actually buy games care about this shit and will care about it in TLOU2?!So the game actually more than doubled its sales after it came out that Ellie was gay
Maybe you should calm down
Yeah, wouldn't want to get BTFO any more than you already have been.Ignore the REEEEEEturning troll. They do this often.