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[Heimdall_Xtreme]

Incluso 3:

This is better

 

[VenomousCoffee]

They needed to make him fat to appeal to modern audiences.

I've seen people online accuse the MCU of being pro-eugenics. Sigh.

 

[Chuck Berry]

This is better

Somehow I missed NG3 and that looks super fun. I want to play.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Somehow I missed NG3 and that looks super fun. I want to play.

Hopefully Team Ninja makes another one after they get over their "Souls" phase.

 

[Punished Miku]

This is better

Even low budget AA games can pull off dismemberment.

It's just not ever going to be permitted for modern Marvel. It's a kids brand.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Even low budget AA games can pull off dismemberment.




It's just not ever going to be permitted for modern Marvel. It's a kids brand.

This and Ninja Gaiden are not trying to give you a "cinematic experience" during combat.

 

[Punished Miku]

This and Ninja Gaiden are not trying to give you a "cinematic experience" during combat.

No doubt. But you could definitely have a gory cinematic game. I just don't think it's in the cards for a mainstream character like Wolverine. Maybe Blade, but I doubt it there too. They'll mostly burn away into ashes in that game, so it's not that graphic I guess.

 

[Mister Wolf]

No doubt. But you could definitely have a gory cinematic game. I just don't think it's in the cards for a mainstream character like Wolverine. Maybe Blade, but I doubt it there too. They'll mostly burn away into ashes in that game, so it's not that graphic I guess.

I'm interested to see how Arkane's take on character action game combat will play out. If I see this same GOW camera I'll be very disappointed.

 

[VenomousCoffee]

Just a very toxically masculine reminder that Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1-3 are all available on Game Pass.

 

[recursive]

Jesus christ that song cover is cancer. Here's the real version for people who dont know.

The cover is from terminator dark fate ost.

 

[Nickolaidas]

The cover is from terminator dark fate ost.

That explains a lot.

 

[rofif]

This looks so bad they could just as well cancel it.
I know it's not a real trailer but man.. insomniac is some trash studio with spider man2 and all that marvel crap that's coming.
Ratchet was at least original..... sweet baby inc infested but at least orignal

 

[ResilientBanana]

This game looks fantastic. Can’t wait to see the finished product.

 

[sendit]

Even low budget AA games can pull off dismemberment.




It's just not ever going to be permitted for modern Marvel. It's a kids brand.

You mean "Modern Marvel" that put out movies/shows such as
- Logan
- Deadpool
- Punisher

?

 

[Chuck Berry]

I'm interested to see how Arkane's take on character action game combat will play out. If I see this same GOW camera I'll be very disappointed.

Wouldn't be surprised if its first person

 

[wolffy66]

Looks a bit more stealth than i would anticipate from Wolverine. It's doesn't look amazing but if you like Marvel it might be ok

 

[Mister Wolf]

This looks so bad they could just as well cancel it.
I know it's not a real trailer but man.. insomniac is some trash studio with spider man2 and all that marvel crap that's coming.
Ratchet was at least original..... sweet baby inc infested but at least orignal

Wait until you see what they do to the X-Men.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Wouldn't be surprised if its first person

Already been confirmed by the director to be third person. Arkane are going into uncharted territory.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Already been confirmed by the director to be third person. Arkane are going into uncharted territory.

Yeah well like Redfall and Deathloop before it, without Raph Colantonio or Harvey Smith this game be fucked.

 

[Fake]

Jesus christ that song cover is cancer. Here's the real version for people who dont know.

Yeah. Is totally shit.

 

[Fbh]

I don't mind the close camera, it could actually give it a sort of "close and impactful " vibe.

I just hope that unlike most games with that sort of camera they keep the focus on the gameplay and not Wolverine walking and talking about his feelings (or this being Insomniac, getting lectured about his outdated views and how they hurt marginalized people)

 

[bitbydeath]

Same DEI mandated Sweet Baby writers is almost guaranteed.

Interestingly, Insomniacs logo has disappeared from their website, I wonder if they tossed them out after all the negativity they received for SM2.

Santa Monica is still there unfortunately…

 

[MAtgS]

No more cape****. That trailer was cringe.

Good news, he wasn't wearing any capes.

 

[Raonak]

Same DEI mandated Sweet Baby writers is almost guaranteed.

I hope so, they do a good job.

 

[Faust]

I hope so, they do a good job.

No, they don't.

Everything they have touched or worked on is actively worse for their inclusion. They don't know how to make quality stories. Instead of making memorable characters from diverse backgrounds, they introduce tokens devoid of any personality. They treat minorities as a checkbox, not as complex culturally distinct entities. They treat sensitive topics like a hammer that needs to be repeatedly bashed across heads instead of introducing them into nuanced narratives.

Sweet baby is a blight on the industry and only serves to belittle the people they claim to respect.

Interestingly, Insomniacs logo has disappeared from their website, I wonder if they tossed them out after all the negativity they received for SM2.

Santa Monica is still there unfortunately…

We can only hope. There is a galaxy wide breadth of difference between the quality of Spider-Man 1 and Spider-Man 2's writing.

 

[hyperbertha]

Different team involved here.

You think a different team can escape the all seeing eye of sweet baby inc?

 

[hyperbertha]

Edit: Also why wolverine is sneaking around the bushes? I dont read Marvel comics but isn't he immortal and his all about charging at the enemy instead of be sneaky like Batman or Spider Man?

To be fair Spiderman being sneaky sneaky makes no sense either. It's just creatively bankrupt game design. They know the Arkham formula works and lifted it wholesale.

 

[MALpractice311]

You mean "Modern Marvel" that put out movies/shows such as
- Logan
- Deadpool
- Punisher

?

Logan and Deadpool were released by Fox/Marvel. Not Disney/Marvel. Very different situation. Hopefully, Disney/Marvel learned from the success of Fox/Marvel though.

 

[Raonak]

No, they don't.

Everything they have touched or worked on is actively worse for their inclusion. They don't know how to make quality stories. Instead of making memorable characters from diverse backgrounds, they introduce tokens devoid of any personality. They treat minorities as a checkbox, not as complex culturally distinct entities. They treat sensitive topics like a hammer that needs to be repeatedly bashed across heads instead of introducing them into nuanced narratives.

Sweet baby is a blight on the industry and only serves to belittle the people they claim to respect.

Nah.

They do a great job. They actively make quality stories with memorable characters from diverse backgrounds.
They treat minorities as actual characters and push the boundaries of what audiences are comfortable with. They threat sensitive subjects with respect and nuanced.

In my opinion; the people who cry about their work, are the same people who cry about anything that promotes diversity.

 

[Valt7786]

Nah.

They do a great job. They actively make quality stories with memorable characters from diverse backgrounds.
They treat minorities as actual characters and push the boundaries of what audiences are comfortable with. They threat sensitive subjects with respect and nuanced.

In my opinion; the people who cry about their work, are the same people who cry about anything that promotes diversity.

Can you provide examples?

'cause we've all seen how such content was handled in Spiderman 2.
Also responsible for unnecessarily race-swapping two previously established characters in two other games (Suicide Squad with Deadshot and Alan Wake 2 with Saga) just to make sure there was a black character in a lead role in those titles.
I very much doubt anyone here is completely "Anti-diversity", it's more about how it's handled by these companies and writers.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Nah.

They do a great job. They actively make quality stories with memorable characters from diverse backgrounds.
They treat minorities as actual characters and push the boundaries of what audiences are comfortable with. They threat sensitive subjects with respect and nuanced.

In my opinion; the people who cry about their work, are the same people who cry about anything that promotes diversity.

You're fucking with us, right?

 

[Raonak]

Can you provide examples?

'cause we've all seen how such content was handled in Spiderman 2.
Also responsible for unnecessarily race-swapping two previously established characters in two other games (Suicide Squad with Deadshot and Alan Wake 2 with Saga) just to make sure there was a black character in a lead role in those titles.
I very much doubt anyone here is completely "Anti-diversity", it's more about how it's handled by these companies and writers.

Spiderman 2 and AW2 are fantastic games.
Ok, the games allow you to play as women, or deaf people, or have reimagined characters and black lead characters... ok cool.

so what exactly is the problem? Why are you getting so upset and triggered by that?

 

[recursive]

Nah.

They do a great job. They actively make quality stories with memorable characters from diverse backgrounds.
They treat minorities as actual characters and push the boundaries of what audiences are comfortable with. They threat sensitive subjects with respect and nuanced.

In my opinion; the people who cry about their work, are the same people who cry about anything that promotes diversity.

Race/gender swapping does not indicate a quality story with memorable characters born from diverse backgrounds. It is objectively creatively bankrupt. Change my mind.

 

[bitbydeath]

Spiderman 2 and AW2 are fantastic games.
Ok, the games allow you to play as women, or deaf people, or have reimagined characters and black lead characters... ok cool.

so what exactly is the problem? Why are you getting so upset and triggered by that?

What about real diversity like people from different countries? Australians, Kiwi’s, anywhere really that isn’t US?

 

[Danjin44]

I enjoy strong female lead, but my problem is in most western game and even movies they are boring as fuck and act like man.

Both Maomao and Frieren have become my favourite female protagonist in any media in recent memory....not only they strong and smart but they are also very, very likeable, it fun just watching them interact with other characters.

 

[Raonak]

What about real diversity like people from different countries? Australians, Kiwi’s, anywhere really that isn’t US?

Yeah, that'd be awesome, the more diversity the better

Both SM2 and AW2 take place in the US, so they seem to focus on that first and foremost, but I hope they expand to include lesser represented people.

Race/gender swapping does not indicate a quality story with memorable characters born from diverse backgrounds. It is objectively creatively bankrupt. Change my mind.

The design of characters has nothing do with the quality of a story. That's objectively unrelated. Change my mind...?

If you think a reimagined character automatically makes them worse, then that's your problem.

 

[Doom85]

Race/gender swapping does not indicate a quality story with memorable characters born from diverse backgrounds. It is objectively creatively bankrupt. Change my mind.

And how could they change your mind if you’ve said your views are ”objective”? How does that make any sense if you’ve decided your opinion is fact?

Regardless, the fact is that AW 2 establishes that Saga is actually mixed, and mixed people can “appear” white or black, so technically they did not race swap the character, and mind you this is an alternate universe version from Quantum Break’s Saga (funny how no one complained about Marvel’s Loki having an alternate universe version being an ALLIGATOR of all things…..), plus Quantum Break can’t be canon to the Remedy verse anyway due to the legal binding with Microsoft with that particular game.

And the story is clearly Sam Lake’s baby, and I do not give a shit about some randos’ supposed minor involvement, especially when the most quoted example in the game is an instance of displaying racism towards white people as a BAD way of thinking (unless people honestly think we’re supposed to agree with the bad Saga’s thoughts, which also include her thinking she‘s a bad mother and a bad FBI agent?) You’d think the story pointing out that unfairly blaming any white person in a racist manner is wrong would be applauded here, I don’t even know what the fuck people are complaining about anymore.

If anything, I find it disrespectful to Sam Lake and his team to pretend his entire story has been ruined by some supposed problematic minor elements. The game clearly has had a lot of work put into it, and so many people are sticking their nose up at it because a seconds-long cameo was “race-swapped”, and another thing (which shouldn’t be an issue) that makes up like 0.001% of a full video game. Like, COME ON.

What about real diversity like people from different countries? Australians, Kiwi’s, anywhere really that isn’t US?

You must have either not played Alan Wake 2, or are under the impression Finland lies within the US……

 

[VulcanRaven]

Can you provide examples?

'cause we've all seen how such content was handled in Spiderman 2.
Also responsible for unnecessarily race-swapping two previously established characters in two other games (Suicide Squad with Deadshot and Alan Wake 2 with Saga) just to make sure there was a black character in a lead role in those titles.
I very much doubt anyone here is completely "Anti-diversity", it's more about how it's handled by these companies and writers.

I'm pretty sure they just took inspiration from Deadshot of the Suicide Squad movie.

 

[Chuck Berry]

I always thought Deadshot was black

Then again I know dick about comic books

 

[Valt7786]

I always thought Deadshot was black

Then again I know dick about comic books

He was white in the Batman : Arkham series of games, which Suicide Squad follows on from. Now he's black. (they throw in some bullshit multiverse reason iirc) But it's pretty obvious why it was done.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Nah.

They do a great job. They actively make quality stories with memorable characters from diverse backgrounds.
They treat minorities as actual characters and push the boundaries of what audiences are comfortable with. They threat sensitive subjects with respect and nuanced.

In my opinion; the people who cry about their work, are the same people who cry about anything that promotes diversity.

Forced diversity is not real diversity, especially when your definition of diversity is simply someone's skin being a different color or their sexual orientation.

 

[VulcanRaven]

He was white in the Batman : Arkham series of games, which Suicide Squad follows on from. Now he's black. (they throw in some bullshit multiverse reason iirc) But it's pretty obvious why it was done.

Because of Suicide Squad (2016). Movies usually have a big impact on comics and other material.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Sorry, after Spider-man 2, ain't buying shit from Insomniac.

Shows how shallow and short sighted you are.


I could give 2 shits about Spiderman and this is the one I want to try. I don't understand how someone can correlate Spiderman and assume you're going to get the same energy and feel with this.

I'll watch a trailer like this in the proper quality to give it the right judgement.

 

[Raonak]

I enjoy strong female lead, but my problem is in most western game and even movies they are boring as fuck and act like man.

Both Maomao and Frieren have become my favourite female protagonist in any media in recent memory....not only they strong and smart but they are also very, very likeable, it fun just watching them interact with other characters.

Personally I enjoy both kinds of characters. I love that female characters don't have to be cute, petite or sexy anymore.

I like absolute savage badasses like Ellie, and Aloy, but also like the cute anime girls too.

 

[Valt7786]

Spiderman 2 and AW2 are fantastic games.
Ok, the games allow you to play as women, or deaf people, or have reimagined characters and black lead characters... ok cool.

so what exactly is the problem? Why are you getting so upset and triggered by that?

Where am I "so upset" or "Triggered" (the sweet baby types favourite word for sure).
I'm simply pointing out the problems using a company such as them create.
There's nothing wrong with playing as women, or deaf people or black leads whatsoever, no one is saying that. The issue is obvious pandering for the sake of checking some boxes.

 

[@gkTH]

Intentional leak?

 

[Danjin44]

Personally I enjoy both kinds of characters. I love that female characters don't have to be cute, petite or sexy anymore.

I like absolute savage badasses like Ellie, and Aloy, but also like the cute anime girls too.

is not about being "cute" its about being likeable, I HATED Alloy, she was dry as fuck character with no chemistry with anyone.

And Eliie in Part 2 is basically

Her in near end season.......insufferable.

Thats not my idea good strong female lead....

Balsa in Moribito is another excellent strong female lead.

 

[simpatico]

Why the camera is so damn close to the character? This is melee focus combat, you not aiming to shoot or anything.

Its okay to pull the camera back a little....

THIRD PERSON CHARACTER ACTION CINEMATIC EVENTS. It's what the base demands. Gameplay is secondary to staring at the main characters neck. Considering this is a reskinned Spider-Man mod, that's a good thing.

 

[lughnasadh123]

The fucking nerve of a leaked trailer showing an unfinished game looking unfinished!

 

[rofif]

No, they don't.

Everything they have touched or worked on is actively worse for their inclusion. They don't know how to make quality stories. Instead of making memorable characters from diverse backgrounds, they introduce tokens devoid of any personality. They treat minorities as a checkbox, not as complex culturally distinct entities. They treat sensitive topics like a hammer that needs to be repeatedly bashed across heads instead of introducing them into nuanced narratives.

Sweet baby is a blight on the industry and only serves to belittle the people they claim to respect.


We can only hope. There is a galaxy wide breadth of difference between the quality of Spider-Man 1 and Spider-Man 2's writing.

Absolutely agree. Sweet baby is also really good at getting people fooled by the goody 2 shoes characters and writing but they put these themes and characters in there to project their crazy high school bullied personas rather than in service of good story. Imo the whole wokening is just return of losers who were always bad at socialising and were weak boned. Now they just joined in groups and they will be any of lgbt to because of group mentality.

And that’s ruining industry and stories.

No more cool and sexy characters because these people always bullied them. It’s their revenge.
We get gay insecure spider robot in ratchet, lady ratchet and bitch ratchet with no edge