Well, some people pirated. Most of those people wouldn’t buy games anyway.
Personally I used Switch emulators to play games that I legally owned (ripped using OG Switch) because their performance was shit on the Switch.
This has been on my mind since it was announced they settled. Nintendo has been stopped over and over from removing emulators because they are legal software, but somehow they managed to take down Yuzu and no one questions how? Tropical Haze got Tears of the Kingdom running before the game even released and no one here is questioning that. I still remember the bragging over how it happened so fast, and how many people were saying it would get them in trouble. Well, we were right, they got in trouble for it.That's not this work homie, Nintendo had questions they wanted answered legally. They didn't do it to punch money out of Yuzu, they took that as a bonus because the main thing in the settlement is that Yuzu fucked away. The fact that probably more than one professional looked at the situation and advised Yuzu to fold should tell you that Nintendo legally had a point.
I guarantee this happened because of the TotK leak and that game came out LESS than a year ago. Takes a while to get a lawsuit up and going.Nintendo always slow as fuck
Why wait till the final days of switch to do this????
The damage has already been done.
This has been on my mind since it was announced they settled. Nintendo has been stopped over and over from removing emulators because they are legal software, but somehow they managed to take down Yuzu and no one questions how? Tropical Haze got Tears of the Kingdom running before the game even released and no one here is questioning that. I still remember the bragging over how it happened so fast, and how many people were saying it would get them in trouble. Well, we were right, they got in trouble for it.
I guarantee this happened because of the TotK leak and that game came out LESS than a year ago. Takes a while to get a lawsuit up and going.
We're not in disagreement about the nature of a LLC.They have an LLC (Limited Liability Company) - meaning they can just declare bankruptcy and dissolve the company, leaving Nintendo to write off the debt. They won't be liable personally, meaning Nintendo can't go after their future paychecks or anything. If their LLC actually had any assets (unlikely), then Nintendo could seek a judgment against those in court to try and help pay down the $2.4m.
Think of it like "How does the player in Monopoly get paid when the poorest player lands on their Boardwalk hotel and loses the game?"
This is the biggest proof of Switch 2 being backwards compatible imo.If Switch 2 is backward compatible I guess a weakness could already be seen as an automatic shoe-in for a Switch 2 emulator
I'm not a lawyer and I don't have any sort of inside details - but my guess would be they arrived at this number based entirely on the Patreon monthly earnings x number of months that Yuzu has been collecting Patreon earnings. They launched their Patreon in January 2018 and made $30,000 per month (although obviously it took them until TOTK came out to get to those numbers). 74 months x $30,000 = $2,220,000 which is really close to the $2.4m number.What I am talking about is why the specific amount of 2.4m was selected? If what you are saying is true, then it would be equally true if it was say, 2.2m or 2.6m.
I think the reason they chose this is because they wanted the LLC to get bankrupted, and picked a settlement amount that was just a bit above whatever assets the company had. Which leads to the question of how did these guys even get to this amount of money?
Accepting money for the emulator, even indirectly via patreon, was most likely their downfall. It makes a pretty compelling case that they were profiting from piracy.I think collecting money was their downfall. Gave Nintendo a point of attack. A lot of IP infringing Nintendo content skids under their radar, but the moment someone starts profiting from it, they start blipping, getting N's attention. That or they have a competing product coming up and can cause 'brand confusion' or whatever.
Also just checked goddamnit, I downloaded Yuzu for android and forgot to download for Windows. I wonder how many people will fork it and work on it now. I think that leaves us with SKyline and Egg NS for Android, so really just Egg NS since I think Skyline is pretty much dead. EggNS devs probably loading up more ads on the app as we they read the headlines for the news about Yuzu.
Probably.I'm not a lawyer and I don't have any sort of inside details - but my guess would be they arrived at this number based entirely on the Patreon monthly earnings x number of months that Yuzu has been collecting Patreon earnings. They launched their Patreon in January 2018 and made $30,000 per month (although obviously it took them until TOTK came out to get to those numbers). 74 months x $30,000 = $2,220,000 which is really close to the $2.4m number.
There may have also been a factor of "you made, at most, this amount - so that's the amount we want", but again I'm not privy to the actual details. My guess is that they had nowhere even close to that amount ready to hand over.
i would say that , on the gaming scene in general its too late.I'm going down that list and two words keep coming to my mind: "too late"
I fucking hate this take. Yuzu was used to steal games, sometimes before release by millions of people. You have to be a Muppet to not see this is wrong.
Like selling guns in every town in America and being like " oh no it's not the guns that kill people"
depends.I don't think shader comp stutter is worse in Ryujinx nowadays (it might even be better). It is more demanding, but if you have a reasonably recent CPU there's no problem.
Yuzu is great if you have a decade old CPU.
Yep, and pirates can also hard mod even OLED. As usual people affected most were actual customers.As Guilty_AI pointed out in the other thread, pirates don't need Yuzu at all. You don't even need a PC. They can play the pirated games directly on their Switch. And they will continue to do so. This stopped next to nothing as far as pirates are concerned. Just makes things harder for those who want to use emulators legally.
Don’t think they want Nintendo after them, it’s fairly easy to install both emulators outside of emudeck, and yeh fuck Nintendo, won’t be buying anything from them anymorewhy though? just distribute the PinEApple build.
Yuzu vs ryujinx on Deck is not even a conversation, Yuzu beats it every time in performance. removing it off Emudeck makes emulating Switch on that harder.
It's Dolphin and the Wii keys all over again. They never learn, do they?Basically lines up with what I read when the lawsuit was first announced. The reason they had a case this time opposed to other emulators is that Yuzu could not work as a program to do its intended purpose without circumventing digital protections (in this case, the prod.keys file). Under DMCA this makes it illegal. If it could run games without requiring that file, then from what I understand, Nintendo wouldn't be able to do anything about it.
Pirates use both and Nintendo is actively pursuing both, as soon as you connect to the internet with a modded Switch it gets banned. Yuzu knew that and they got cocky/greedy. People shouldn't get angry at the big corporation for being corporation-like and doing what they have done since Game Genie, they should get angry at the folks at Yuzu. At least that's my take.Yep, and pirates can also hard mod even OLED. As usual people affected most were actual customers.
Sounds like Latin America, more specifically Argentina!In my country almost nobody buys Nintendo games in legit manner.
Very, very close.Sounds like Latin America, more specifically Argentina!
As Guilty_AI pointed out in the other thread, pirates don't need Yuzu at all. You don't even need a PC. They can play the pirated games directly on their Switch. And they will continue to do so. This stopped next to nothing as far as pirates are concerned. Just makes things harder for those who want to use emulators legally.
Very, very close.
Paraguay.Brazil?
I was part of an international company and at some point a team of Brazilians came to Canada to work. Prices & taxes over there are so crazy that they are almost never legit. I guess its true for many countries in fact.
You can "fucking hate" it as much as you want champ, it doesn't make it any less true. If I drive an F250 through your living room because I decided to be an irresponsible asshole, are you gonna ban Fords? And yeah, I'm for responsible gun laws but guess what? I'm a veteran and a gun owner so yeah, I'm definitely one of those "guns don't kill people" guys too, so you and I are clearly just not gonna see eye to eye in general.I fucking hate this take. Yuzu was used to steal games, sometimes before release by millions of people. You have to be a Muppet to not see this is wrong.
Like selling guns in every town in America and being like " oh no it's not the guns that kill people"
While I think there is some validity to the beginning of your statement, I can't say I agree with the bolded. It's about paths of least resistance as people are generally lazy. If you don't present hoops for them to jump through, they'll take those paths. I'd also argue, with facts straight from my ass plate, that the vast, vast majority of emulator use isn't for legal purposes. We have people here bragging about it all the time (most recently for a popular indie title). The only member I've seen mentioning dumping his own games and probably the only member I trust on the matter is jshackles . But to be fair, I always assume the worst of people. I'm not anti-emulation and I don't really care if someone pirates or not, but I'm also not going to be surprised when companies try to fight against it. What does surprise me is when these groups fly to close to the sun, most recently with Dolphin getting announced for Steam which goes back to my first point of path of least resistance. If you make things too convenient, expect pushback, especially if you don't have all your i's dotted and t's crossed.
If it’s so compelling, why did they not go to court, it’s not like Nintendo doesn’t have the money, could have ended all emulation once and for all, it’s clear both parties did not want to go court, yuzu don’t have money and Nintendo just didn’t want to risk losing,Accepting money for the emulator, even indirectly via patreon, was most likely their downfall. It makes a pretty compelling case that they were profiting from piracy.
Completely fair take. There are a few more, including myself, who I know have dumped our own games. IFireflyl and StereoVsn have mentioned it and this was in conversations long before this Yuzu debacle began. I get being suspicious of others in anonymous situations though.
For the record, I'm no longer dumping Switch games as I sold my Switch a few weeks ago. I mentioned that before all this in other posts. Currently the only emulation I'm doing is PS2 and PS3. All from physical media I own.
And yeah, vast majority of emulation is from illegally obtained ROMs. No way to deny that, but no reason for those who emulate legally to worry about it. I have no problems with any company fighting piracy. I just disagree on targeting emulation. Having said that, Yuzu did a hell of a lot to bring this on themselves. Not going to deny that either.
I still have my Switch, but the last game I got was Tears of the Kingdom. It didn't captivate me, and I haven't purchased (or pirated!) anything since then. I think I'm done with Switch until the Switch 2 comes out.
Only 2.4 million?
That's not enough
I will never understand the point of Yuzu. I play the Switch for simplicity sake. Why would anyone take a child's toy and make it complex?
2.4 million is nothing.
Since it wasn't an actual court verdict, it's impossible to know what's true or what's just agreed-upon statements.Open source but able to pay 2.4M is huge... Is it donated money? I got hunch there is more of this
never give takes on legal matters again please, thanksIf it’s so compelling, why did they not go to court, it’s not like Nintendo doesn’t have the money, could have ended all emulation once and for all, it’s clear both parties did not want to go court, yuzu don’t have money and Nintendo just didn’t want to risk losing,
I'm all for emulation and preservation of games. They just have to be older games that are harder or impossible to play in a modern environment. Surly you must see the difference in emulating a current in production machine?You can "fucking hate" it as much as you want champ, it doesn't make it any less true. If I drive an F250 through your living room because I decided to be an irresponsible asshole, are you gonna ban Fords? And yeah, I'm for responsible gun laws but guess what? I'm a veteran and a gun owner so yeah, I'm definitely one of those "guns don't kill people" guys too, so you and I are clearly just not gonna see eye to eye in general.
Me, I believe in personal responsibility. Emulation is literally the best thing imaginable for preservation of games as an art, as Nintendo clearly doesn't give as much of a shit about preserving their legacy titles as their fans do, and there's definitely nothing wrong with wanting to play Nintendo's amazing titles with better performance and resolutions. Just because there are shitheads out there doing the wrong thing doesn't mean emulation is at fault. We all need to start acting like adults man, you're responsible for your actions, not the actions of others.