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thepotatoman
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Surely this has to be some sort of cleverly edited video and not an actual speech by Obama. Right?
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PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Keep Calm and Diablos On
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Surely this has to be some sort of cleverly edited video and not an actual speech by Obama. Right?
That quip about praying five times a day was great. Also, why is Baba Booey there? lol.
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thepotatoman
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Could we somehow remove the correspondents part of the white house correspondent dinner and still keeping this tradition going? The event would be so great if it wasn't for the grossness of the buddy-buddy "vip" nature of including the "special members" of the press like this.
NYCmetsfan
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Biggest mystery. I had to go back on my DVR cause I thought I was seeing things
Aaron Strife
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Well he's up in 2016 anyway. It would be a pain to find a new candidate but it wouldn't be a special election (unless he decided to run for both and got elected to both, and resigned immediately)
Poodlestrike
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Kasich's alright, as far as Republicans go.
I hope that doesn't mean I'm going native D:
Its speaks volumes that the brother of a president running for president cant count on him for public support while the wife of a president running for president can.
Taken at Private Jewish Event in Nevada:
I respect his candor. Even he knows he left the country and the Bush name in shambles. I guess that also rules out a convention speech by W for Jeb if he is the nominee.
Taken at Private Jewish Event in Nevada:
I respect his candor. Even he knows he left the country and the Bush name in shambles. I guess that also rules out a convention speech by W for Jeb if he is the nominee.
Aaron Strife
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Notably not running for president (probably)
I thought he was joining the race?
Coriolanus
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Same. So many biting one-liners. It felt like an actual roast of the media. Some of those in the crowd took it too personally. You know some of those zingers cut deep. They need to lighten up and laugh at themselves more.
As for Obama, obviously he is not writing his jokes but goddam does he have great comic timing and delivery.
Murican corporations are allowed
Check out this old article I posted in the last thread about the scandal.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/12/giustra-clinton-kazakhstan-pf-ii-in_rl_0912croesus_inl.html
I'm seeing a collective shrug on balance. The lefties predictably point to "there's no pro between the quid and the quo," the righties predictably shriek about "another evil Clinton scandal," and the middlers seem generally bored and weary at the idea of another campaign.
Who the hell is she?
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thepotatoman
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I'm just tired of the media acting like there's a new watergate every 2 weeks. "Scandals" have been used so often that I've become downright desensitized to it to the point where if there was some actual huge scandal, I'd probably still have a hard time caring about it.
And you're right, I don't see any difference between foreign donations and domestic corporate donations.
Avon Barksdale
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She's on Saturday Night Live.
Its Simple and remember it well:
If you are for Hillary, you are never going to be phased by these "scandals". If you are against Hillary, this will reinforce your dislike or hatred of her & if you are in the middle, you might be more weary of her.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
It remains illegal for corporations to donate to political campaigns. Citizens United did not concern campaign contributions, but independent expenditures. And "Let's spend money on a political commercial without talking to any candidates ahead of time" is quite different from "Let me give millions of dollars to this organization that you control" in terms of buying influence.
How independent is an expenditure if the super PAC in question is run by a close ally of a candidate, as is the case of Jeb Bush?. When political operatives manage what were meant to be independent entities then the line between indepedent expenditures promoting speech to expenditures supporting a candidate become blurred.
Also there is nothing prohibiting a campaign and a super pac from coordinating out in the open. Tweets, social media and the like can be used to relay messages between the campaign and the operative-run super pac. The current campaign finance rules post citizens united don't establish independence but the illusion of independence. I have no confidence that the rules are not being abused by campaigns to access unlimited donor cash, some of which will be untraceable.
Because he's out of the public eye almost completely.
That's because he hasn't been in the public consciousness since he left office. If he hadn't gone into hiding and his numbers still looked like that you might have a point, but he's been in hiding. The second he pokes his head out and steps into the ring those numbers will plummet.
The comments section on Fox News regarding the in-fighting between Obama and Warren on the TPP is pretty great:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ls-on-obama-to-declassify-trade-deal-details/
Seems the tea folk don't really know how they're supposed to react.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ls-on-obama-to-declassify-trade-deal-details/
Seems the tea folk don't really know how they're supposed to react.
The guy wasnt at the 2008 convention(Videotaped message) and wasnt even mentioned by name at all in the 2012 campaign as well as not being at the convention. Jeb defended him in his 2012 convention speech by referring to him only by "brother". Heck, Jeb now still refers to W by "brother".
There is a reason the guy isn't out there and he as well as Jeb knows and said so.
Compared to the Democrats that have Bill Clinton there every convention and campaign season. Face it, George Walker Bush is damaged goods to the Republican party and they know it. The moment he steps out there in the public, he will be torn to shreds.
Think about it, the Republican dont refer to neither Bush as a standard when it comes to recent Republican Presidents. Guess who they always refer to and its obvious. Ronald Reagan.
"We need to go back to the way things were when Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neil got things done"
PhoenixDark
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Jeb could overcome the W issue if he wasn't a hawk. Instead Jeb has thusfar doubled down on NSA spying, waging war against ISIS, supporting the Iraq war, etc. Still I think he'd also avoid some comparisons because he's a better speaker and naturally seems more knowledgeable than his brother. He'd do well against Hillary in debates. But of course he'll never get the nomination.
I'm starting to think Hillary could implode btw. She's never been a good politician but these nonstop attacks have exposed her weaknesses. We'll see how far the rabbit hole goes in a few months but I don't see why certain liberals (see: Media Matters hand wringers) are so obsessed with defending her right now. If Jeb Bush did this shit they'd be hammering him for it.
I'm starting to think Hillary could implode btw. She's never been a good politician but these nonstop attacks have exposed her weaknesses. We'll see how far the rabbit hole goes in a few months but I don't see why certain liberals (see: Media Matters hand wringers) are so obsessed with defending her right now. If Jeb Bush did this shit they'd be hammering him for it.
He's also not really any different than his brother when it comes to supply-side stuff either.
Hillary's definitely a nimrod when it comes to dealing with the press, but I'm still trying to understand what she did wrong regarding the Clinton Foundation thing.
Even the guy writing the book admits he's got no proof of any of the allegations he's making and given his record as a journalist there's no reason anyone should be taking him seriously without actual hard evidence.
Then why the fuck is he writing it? Either he's shamelessly trying to make fast money or the Clintons have some damn good lawyers on his tail.
Well according to what I've been hearing he isn't making any real allegations, he's just pointing to what he views as smoke and saying there must be a fire nearby while leaving any real investigative journalism to actual reporters. I've also heard that some places have been finding some big holes in his reasoning and his sourcing, especially his sourcing, which is why no one is pushing this too hard. The only reason anyone is talking about it is because there's nothing else to talk about yet, the guy just took advantage of a lull in the election news cycle to cause trouble and make some quick cash.
He's a right-leaning hack.
The substance of the allegations against Clinton matter less than the theme, that Hillary and Bill are perpetual political celebrities who exist to give top dollar speeches, collect chits and dole out favors, and increase their influence, all the while never actually accomplishing much. This is her biggest weakness, that she's not a selfless public servant in the American tradition but someone who has to enrich herself every step of the way.
PhoenixDark
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This is a "where there's smoke there's fire" issue imo. She's already guilty of purging emails, which I would assume we can agree isn't cool. Despite the objections of people on both sides, the Clintons decided to continue taking foreign donations during Hillary's SoS tenure. We can debate the accuracy of the book but it's a fact that the Clinton Foundation stopped reporting foreign donations in 2010, and Reuters' inquiry only recently forced them to decide to re-file.
Not to mention Bill Clinton's speaking engagement fees doubling and tripling during Hillary's tenure.
Maybe all of this is nothing, and maybe voters won't care. And even if this wasn't an issue you could argue that the right would find some other area to attack; that's what they do. One thing is certain to me though: Hillary isn't teflon. She's not half as talented as Bill or as slick. She can play the victim all she wants, and that will work for awhile, but eventually people will get tired of it. Clearly voters got tired of it in 2008, when she continually whined over the press' treatment of her compared to Obama.
Another thing: Biden has to be kicking himself for acting like a fucking buffoon for the last couple years. If ever there was an opening, it would be now.
Not to mention Bill Clinton's speaking engagement fees doubling and tripling during Hillary's tenure.
Maybe all of this is nothing, and maybe voters won't care. And even if this wasn't an issue you could argue that the right would find some other area to attack; that's what they do. One thing is certain to me though: Hillary isn't teflon. She's not half as talented as Bill or as slick. She can play the victim all she wants, and that will work for awhile, but eventually people will get tired of it. Clearly voters got tired of it in 2008, when she continually whined over the press' treatment of her compared to Obama.
Another thing: Biden has to be kicking himself for acting like a fucking buffoon for the last couple years. If ever there was an opening, it would be now.
Paid the Cost to be a Boss
Also if you had told me in December 2008 thathillarywould be the front runner in '16 and PD wasn't going to be on the hype train I wouldn't have believed it.
PD is just a little concerned. He will be on the hype train eventually. As long as they nominate a crazy, he will be there.
These issues will blowover by primary time next year. If for some unforeseen circumstance that its not, she has the money to steamroll the competition and Obama's endorsement if things really go south.
It's not that PD is concern trolling, it's just that he is not willing to close ranks on a candidate 18 months before an election. Some of y'all are way too easily willing to dismiss questionable behaviour of a candidate simply because they're on your team.
Hillary is not your girlfriend guys, it's ok to be critical.
Hillary is not your girlfriend guys, it's ok to be critical.
eBay Huckster
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i'm not closing ranks on hillary until the convention, i'll say that much.
I expect Fox News, talk radio, and Republicans to hammer on this shit until election day. The fundamentals will largely determine this election, but Republicans will try their damndest regardless to convince people they don't want another ride on the Clinton merry-go-round of endless personal drama and questionable dealings. Two weeks ago Hannity devoted half his show to playing Reverand Wright clips and talking about Bill Ayers. There's ratings to be had in not letting it go.
You have a point but the media is biased against her so you cant blame some supporters of her feeling very weary of these "scandals" as the media calls them.
Not saying I wont criticize though when she does do something wrong.
adamsappel
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PD carried water for Hilary in 2008, so all these criticisms seem a little hollow.
PhoenixDark
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Dunno if you guys follow various political shut-ins (Media Matters types, bloggers, etc) but the nonstop bitching they do over the media's treatment of Hillary is stunning. There is no accountability, no criticism, no nothing. It's Hillary vs the world, which doesn't make sense because a lot of these people were anti-Hillary in 2008. On the flip side there's a healthy amount of Hillary criticism and dislike on Daily Kos, as there was in 2007/2008.
I don't dislike Hillary, you all know my position. I just think it's very unhealthy for anyone to waltz to the nomination, and I really don't like seeing everyone line up behind her so early. This isn't the GOP primary, there's very little danger of democrats saying things in a primary that they cannot say during the general election. I want to see her go up against some competition. I like O'Malley, he seems to smartly be tacking to the Warren left. I hope Brian Schweitzer gets in, although he probably fucked up his shot.
When I played basketball, our coaches always told us that during a fast break you should always try to trail the teammate who has the ball. Because if he misses the layup you'll be right there to rebound the ball and put it back up for an easy bucket. If I was O'Malley that would be my mantra. He probably can't beat Hillary...but if she fucks up he has to be there ready and able to take the shot.
I have no doubt the Republicans will throw everything including the kitchen sink at her from now till the last state is called on Election Night 2016. As long as these stories come out now, she is fine. To be honest, the primary should be her least concerns. She needs to be concerned about enthusiasm and turnout in the general.
This isn't a tough one. PD's doing a heel turn on Hillary so that he can continue to troll PoliGAF all the way through 2016. It's what he does!
Just as I posted when this came up last week: if this were a real issue, they'd be holding it up til next year. But they're not, because there isn't anything here. People gave money to Bill Clinton because they thought they'd get access. Guess what? They would do that whether or not anybody was offering them access.
You can't concern troll all the time and expect to be taken seriously, so you have to work in "normal" political analysis like a conspiracy theorist uses historically accurate details to create the illusion of seriousness. It's like a fox news commentator who does it for no money.
Read the article I posted about how nyt fundamentally misrepresented the situation when they last tried to push a Clinton donation story.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of this lack of a primary at all. I'm hoping someone does give her some decent competition. I'm not voting for her in the primary. I'm voting Sanders unless someone like O'Malley ends up in striking distance of Hilary somehow, then I'd have to think about voting for him. He does seem like the one best positioned to cause her trouble, and even then he's probably got a better chance of getting hit by lighting than winning.
I believe Teddy is regarded as the most well read president in history, regularly reading multiple books in a day. Dude was remarkably intelligent as well as a physical force (soldier, boxer, swam across the Potomac every day). Definitely in the discussion for top five at least imo. In an alternate universe where his parents were murdered when he was a child he'd be the goddamn batman.
I mean look at this glorious motherfucker.
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