Because the NFL leaked to Chris Mortensen at ESPN that 10 of 11 footballs were way way under inflated, which turned this into a huge deal almost immediately. It was later found to be complete and utter bullshit, but by then the NFL had what they wanted and there was a witch hunt to get Brady, complete with Mark Brunell crying on ESPN.
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Tom Brady beats NFL in 'Deflategate' court case, league's 4-game suspension nullified
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Because the NFL leaked to Chris Mortensen at ESPN that 10 of 11 footballs were way way under inflated, which turned this into a huge deal almost immediately. It was later found to be complete and utter bullshit, but by then the NFL had what they wanted and there was a witch hunt to get Brady, complete with Mark Brunell crying on ESPN.
Dreams-Visions
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man why is there no shutterstock image of someone scooping tears off a face with a wine flute
I'd buy it just for this occasion.
I'd buy it just for this occasion.
What are the texts where they clearly use "deflate" to reference things othernthan cheating? Opionions aside i mean.
Lol at this image in my head
Matrix XII
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Dang I knew he was going to be such good value late in my fantasy draft.
SenjutsuSage
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It's only right. Everybody deep down knows the decision, with so little proof of any actual wrongdoing on his part, was total bullshit.
The decision to suspend him 4 games was totally a result of being tried unjustly in the court of public opinion, and the NFL was looking for a way to appear like they were bringing the hammer down on someone of significance for what transpired.
The decision to suspend him 4 games was totally a result of being tried unjustly in the court of public opinion, and the NFL was looking for a way to appear like they were bringing the hammer down on someone of significance for what transpired.
Because the evidence wasn't public until the NFL was forced to release it. At first all the evidence we had was what later turned out to be lies by the NFL about how many underinflated balls they found.
Once they did the second part of your post falls apart. They never had valid proof that there ever was an underinflated ball to begin with. They had a statistically insignificant difference measured under a laughably incompetent testing procedure.
OKay, simple. If the balls were deflated naturally AND artifically, they would have been a LOT lower. That is the point. Just taking in to account a starting point of 12.5 and the gas law, the starting point would be 11.5 (roughly)
That means, if you look at the numbers, someone would have to deflated 4 of the 12 balls by 0.1 to 0.3 PSI.
Megalosaro
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As a die hard pats fan who did draft brady, fantasy wise, he isn't any thing special
In handegg, each team is allowed to supply their own balls. This was done because it used to be the home team supplied all the balls and the quality was inconsistent game to game, so Brady and another player named Peyton Manning sought to have a rule brought in so that each team could supply their own balls.
The game is played asynchronously, so the attacking (offensive) team plays with their ball. If they fail to advance the ball a certain distance inside a set of parameters the game is stopped, the offensive team returns their ball to their sideline, becomes the defensive team, and the other team brings their ball onto the field as the attackers.
Before every game, officials measure the balls for pressure. They do with without checking the calibration of the gauges, or recording the temperature in the room, and they record the measurements by writing down some numbers on cocktail napkins and losing them. They then allow the team equipment managers to do whatever they want with the balls. Someone saw Brady's ball handler take a sack of approved balls into a washroom. Nobody knows what went on in that washroom, but some insinuate there was serious deflating going on.
Later, during the game, the opposing team got a hold of one of Brady's team balls. This happened when Brady threw the ball but it was intercepted by the opposing team. When the opposition player felt the ball, he became concerned it was outside of the regulation pressure, so he had an equipment manger on his own team measure the ball. The opposing equipment manager then informed the league that the measurement was below regulation. Also equipment managers shouldn't just be sticking needles in balls after they've been signed off on at the beginning of the game for obvious reasons but everyone's ignoring that. Also no one seems to think a rival team could possibly let air out of an opponent's ball to start shit.
So during half-time the officials measured all the Patriot balls, and started measuring all the opposing team's balls to isolate for temperature, moisture, etc. but got bored halfway through and only measured like 4 of the opposition's balls, three of which were under-inflated but who cares (or maybe not because they used two different gauges which gave different measurements). So in the second half the Patriots were using the same footballs, but reinflated to the correct standard by the officials. Or maybe they used backup balls. No one really knows. And they also can't say if they balls were purposely under-inflated by a large degree, or if they balls were at the minimum allowed and simply lost some pressure due to temperature changes and the normal loss of pressure that comes with handing Brady's balls.
Again, the pre-game measurements we could use to compare don't actually exist.
Then there were a bunch of texts between Brady's equipment managers talking about ball pressure:
Which suggests that Brady might have been asking them to under-inflate the ball... but all it does is suggest that NFL officials tend to over-inflate the ball beyond the 12.5-13.5 PSI standard.
So now then the NFL wants to get Brady's phone. The NFL's player's union tells Brady to not hand over his phone, because they really don't want to set a precedent where the NFL can just comb through the texts of any of their players for specious reasons.
The NFL then decides to go ahead an suspend Brady for... oh, I dunno, a few games... let's say 4. Then Brady and his team ask the NFL to explain how they arrived at 4 games, how they determined Brady instructed the equipment managers to deflate the balls, and where exactly it was in the NFL rulebook that deflating balls would lead to a player suspension. The NFL then said it could do what it wanted, Brady took them to court, the judge told the NFL that no, it cannot just make up rules and penalties, and here we are.
Yeah, because you know, a Federal Judge cares about the Patriots and not the law.
SenjutsuSage
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He wasn't caught doing anything, but nice try. People need to accept that the best team, with the best quarterback, won the big game. Only through acceptance can you find the peace to move on.
TwntyOneTwlv
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Reading this thread has been a joy. The mountains of salt! MOUNTAINS!
It's almost like winning the Super Bowl all over again!*
*Patriots will win the 2016 Super Bowl
Reading this thread has been a joy. The mountains of salt! MOUNTAINS!
It's almost like winning the Super Bowl all over again!*
*Patriots will win the 2016 Super Bowl
SenjutsuSage
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I get a similar feeling. The saltiness is making this feel almost as sweet as when they won the Super Bowl.
People like you already have Brady guilty no matter what. There is actually zero evidence let alone enough evidence that Brady cheated.
UberTag
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Congrats on yet another AFC East title, New England!
Congrats on extending your 18-game home unbeaten streak in games that mean anything!
Congrats to my Bills for another lost season!
Congrats to Roger Goodell for, once again, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt what a loser you are!
Congrats to Patriots GAF! Enjoy the feeling of getting everyone else to eat crow!
Congrats on extending your 18-game home unbeaten streak in games that mean anything!
Congrats to my Bills for another lost season!
Congrats to Roger Goodell for, once again, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt what a loser you are!
Congrats to Patriots GAF! Enjoy the feeling of getting everyone else to eat crow!
I feel your pain haha i didnt have hair on my balls the last time i saw them in the playoffs... hang in there. Dat Rexual healing is on its way.
Team Alucard
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Even with Brady around for the full season I don't see the Patriots winning more than 10 games. Their defense is going to be the worst in the league and their schedule is brutal. I honestly didn't have them making the playoffs if Brady's suspension held up.
DrForester
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Because the NFL wanted to make a big deal about this. Someone leaked fake PSI numbers to ESPN. If the source wasn't someone from the NFL, the NFL is still negligent for not correcting the report immediately as they had the correct numbers.
haha, have you looked at their schedule? 11-5 or 12-4 is easily doable (now).
Team Alucard
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They have 5 road games against potential playoff teams and they also have to play Eli in NY who owns their soul. And their division has improved dramatically. I still say they go 10-6.
I don't think people realize how bad their defense is going to be. They have no pass rush and they literally replaced Darelle Revis with Bradley Fletcher.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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In Bill I trust, Billuminati!
What blowjob story
I don't think you realize they have the best Coach ever and a very stout front 7. Butler is who is replacing Revis, and although not as good, he is doing well.
At least 12 wins. Probably 13-3.
DrForester
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I made a thing...
And while making the .gif, this came up. I chuckled.
And while making the .gif, this came up. I chuckled.
DrForester
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Because He and the team gave all texts and emails to the investigators beforehand. The phone story is a distraction from the facts.
DizzyCaffeine
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So happy I got Brady in the 14th freaking round in my FF league.
1) He always destroys his phone, he is famous.
2) He was told he did not need the phone (read the damn report!)
3) Why would he give his phone to the NFL which leaks everything and wont release pertinent information (like the PSI of the footballs so we knew it was a false report)
the fuck? no it's most definitely not.
Future Foundation
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The phone wasn't necessary, all of the relevant info was already taken. The destroying the phone thing felt like some stupid distraction/misdirect.
UberTag
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Here is how I would block the Pats season right now...
GUARANTEED WINS
Week 1 vs. Pittsburgh on Thursday Night Football
Week 3 vs. Jacksonville
Week 6 @ Indianapolis (Pats have won 6 straight against Indy)
Week 7 vs. NY Jets
Week 9 vs. Washington
Week 11 vs. Buffalo on Monday Night Football (haven't lost a meaningful game to the Bills at home in 15 years)
Week 15 vs. Tennessee
Week 16 @ NY Jets (likely needed to seal up a division title with 11 or 12 wins)
TOSS-UPS
Week 2 @ Buffalo (statement game for Rex with his new team; suspect Buffalo loses to Indy in Week 1 so he'll feel pressured to deliver a win here)
Week 5 @ Dallas (Brady has never lost to America's Team; Dallas has a tendency to choke in big games at AT&T Stadium)
Week 8 vs. Miami on Thursday Night Football (short week against a feisty Dolphins team in prime time)
Week 10 @ NY Giants (I mean this SHOULD be in the guaranteed wins section; but Eli has won 3 straight against the Pats)
Week 14 @ Houston (home team with solid defense that could stymie the Pats - although I feel this is less likely if New England has lost two straight to the Broncos and Eagles)
Week 17 @ Miami (likely won't matter; New England will be benching starters; New England should lose to the Fish in at least one of these games)
LIKELY LOSS
Week 12 @ Denver (Brady doesn't tend to do well facing Peyton on the road; Manning's annual cold weather arthritis likely will not have kicked in yet)
Week 13 vs. Philadelphia (I think the meaningful home win streak for New England ends here at 24 games - unless Miami ends it earlier)
So let's give New England their typical 4-2 record against division opponents (Brady has never had a record lower than that since his rookie season), give them 2 out of 3 losses to Denver/Philly/Houston, give them one loss between Dallas/NY Giants and they bulldoze everyone else. 11-5 record it is.
Do shiny objects tend to distract you?
LOL Go back under the bridge troll
TemplaerDude
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Oh god yes the salt flows, THE SALT FLOWETH.
it's too bad the pats haters do their best to ignore facts
UberTag
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At this point Tom Brady is more likely to take over Roger Goodell's job as commissioner of the NFL than not get inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Brady would probably do a better job than Goodell, too.
Brady only loses to Eli. Goodell loses to EVERYONE.
You don't think Brady's record of blatant cheating will harm his chance of getting into the HoF? Also, the NFL is obviously big on the concept of "manliness." It can't help that Brady comes out of this looking like a little girl who cried to mommy because daddy wouldn't let her play outside.
Megalosaro
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Please. Tell me more about Bradys record of blatant cheating. Tell me one time where he was caught cheating. One fucking time.
blatant
(of bad behavior) done openly and unashamedly
completely lacking in subtlety; very obvious
One question I thought of when reading through the thread is why would the nfl want to even bring any of this up? If it's to be believed that they withheld evidence that the balls actually weren't deflated by people and they knew Tom had nothing to do with it why did they push so hard on this?
DrForester
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Power Grab. Show the players and owners that the NFL can punish any team, any player, at any time without any evidence. If Goodell had won, it would have set a terrible precedent.
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