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I don't. Seems like an orchestrated thing.
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San Bernardino shooting: Attacker pledged allegiance to ISIS, officials say
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Calamari41
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I don't see much of a difference. ISIS has put out calls for people to take action wherever they are and however they can. At this point, it's kind of beyond ISIS and that doesn't make this somehow better or easier to deal with.
I'm not sure they planned this with ISIS or if they just were sympathizers for them.....
RPGCrazied
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They just passed a vote to not block people on a terror watchlist to attain a gun. Like what the hell?
Veritigo_X
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hobblygobbly
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"The female suspect in the California gun attack pledged allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State (IS) group on Facebook, US media reported. Tashfeen Malik made the post under an account with a different name, US officials are quoted as saying."
"At this point we believe they were more self-radicalised and inspired by the group than actually told to do the shooting," the newspaper quoted an official as saying.
via BBC
So yeah, from what is known it can't be called an ISIS attack in itself. Neither has ISIS taken credit for it so there's no direct connection. She was obviously influenced by ISIS but it's not an attack orchestrated by ISIS itself but since ISIS calls for these attacks to be done by those living in the west, it can be argued to some extent it is.
"At this point we believe they were more self-radicalised and inspired by the group than actually told to do the shooting," the newspaper quoted an official as saying.
via BBC
So yeah, from what is known it can't be called an ISIS attack in itself. Neither has ISIS taken credit for it so there's no direct connection. She was obviously influenced by ISIS but it's not an attack orchestrated by ISIS itself but since ISIS calls for these attacks to be done by those living in the west, it can be argued to some extent it is.
A bad ideology will eventually fold in on itself. You can try to push it but denial might cause the opposite effect.
valkillmore
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What is this . . . if you pledge allegiance to ISIS, you're part of ISIS. Particularly if you and your radicalized wife stockpile assault weapons, bombs and handguns, are in contact with other known ISIS members, and then execute a coordinated attack killing 14 people.
Besides all of that, I'd love to know the criteria for being considered a member of the organization.
Gentleman Jack
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At this point the only thing the GOP says it wants to do about terrorism is round up innocent Muslims and harass the shit out of them while looking the other way on reckless gun violence.
I was thinking they wouldn't endorse an attack in which the attackers fled the site. They would have wanted them to stay and incur more damage.
Calamari41
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Is this a joke? ISIS and ISIS-affiliated groups use disabled children as suicide bombers according to UN reports.
Huh? This is ISIS we're talking about...
LOL you have a point.
SyenceLabb
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You think tougher U.S. gun laws will make it harder for ISIS to arm cells with weapons that can kill people?
Either way, it doesn't matter. Like I said in the other thread...
Next up people will say this still isn't a huge deal because it may not have been directly ORDERED by ISIS.
That doesn't matter, it doesn't matter at all. In a way, even if they had a physical hand in it or not, they were technically ordered to do this. They have asked people in countries all around the world, any who take up for their cause, to carry out acts of violence just like this.
Yeah, 'he pledged to ISIS' doesn't mean that ISIS did even know about him. This is another terrifying thing. People being inspired by ISIS. It's worse because single operating terrorists are more difficult to catch than networks and people who regularly are in contact with them. And in a country like the USA where everyone can get weapons without question this is very very dangerous.
Jesus Christ no I didn't. Fuck.
backflip10019
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Well it certainly would've made it harder for an ISIS-inspired attack like this to happen, in which all of the guns used were purchased legally.
entremet
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Oh, I know. That's why I would focus more on homeland defense than going into their territories guns blazing.
Ganzlinger
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Did ISIS claim the attack? If not, I don't believe they are related. ISIS would brag themselves about it.
Cosmonaut X
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I don't believe that has been confirmed yet, has it? The furthest I've seen anyone go is to say that they had brief - non-concerning, as far as I can tell - contact with at least someone on a watch list.
Not to mention that ISIS has at least publicly praised them already. I think the fact that they said "the three lions" or whatever it was is enough to say they didn't directly order it, but instead were happy about it happening and following the previous orders calling on folks to do things like this. They took the number "3" like everyone else because it was in the news, otherwise they would have known it was just two.
Also, if anything, this will make people stand more strongly FOR the Second Amendment considering that this is more along the lines of what it's actually meant to be for, and not just anyone being able to have guns just for the hell of it. If anything this will cause it to be LESS likely for gun control to be strengthened.
Future PhaZe
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basically ISIS then
the only reason they would have needed to reach out to ISIS would have been for supplies to get the job done--but they were capable enough
Tell me my sarcasm detector is on the fritz...
entremet
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No.
Calamari41
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It's insane. The group wouldn't make it onto the pages of fiction due to being way too outlandish in their pure evil.
No. It has increased islamophobia, with police chiefs releasing "public service announcements" for all civilians to buy guns and arm themselves, and the right wing calling for increased profiling of brown people and scarf enthusiasts.
His wife was Pakistani and he went to Saudi Arabia to do umrah. Just visiting Saudi Arabia isn't a cause for suspicion, plenty of westerners go to Saudi for work and return to the West to resume their lives.
Pretty sure future travelers will be looked at with more scrutiny after this.
Calamari41
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From the other thread:
I don't think the act of a random person going there should cause suspicion, but learning that someone who just carried out a military-style attack on a soft target did should indeed cause suspicion.
I think destroying ISIS' hold in Syria is important. Much of the appeal of ISIS is that they claim to have recreated the caliphate. If that is taken away from them, they lose their credibility.
No, but that makes it more crazy in ways. If people with no connection to ISIS start committing atrocities in their name, it's going to be almost impossible to prevent these type of attacks.
NerdEyeBlind
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I think anyone can pledge an allegiance to any group but until ISIS officially takes responsibility for it, the 'pledge' doesn't mean much
Still scary stuff
Still scary stuff
Veritigo_X
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I don't think that's feasible. Especially if we're talking about Muslims travelling to Mecca for Hajj.
valkillmore
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The BBC and CNN are both reporting that the wife was engaging with ISIS on Facebook, albiet under a different name but that doesn't matter. She did.
Gorechylde
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I feel that the best way to combat this would be stopping the spread of the ideology by combating them on social media, television, Al Jazeera, etc. Not necessarily positive messaging, just get them out of the public eye. Drop their websites, remove their propaganda, total blackout. Make them disappear from social media.
Groups like Anonymous have declared war on ISIS. Getting government organizations involved in a support role, working with other countries and these grass-roots "hacker" organizations could start making a dent on recruiting for extremist groups like ISIS and Al Queda, as well as identifying satellite cells, etc.
Prevent them from getting their message out and get their members out in the open. My 2 cents anyway.
Groups like Anonymous have declared war on ISIS. Getting government organizations involved in a support role, working with other countries and these grass-roots "hacker" organizations could start making a dent on recruiting for extremist groups like ISIS and Al Queda, as well as identifying satellite cells, etc.
Prevent them from getting their message out and get their members out in the open. My 2 cents anyway.
Veritigo_X
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"Engaging" is overstating what the reports are saying.
Schattenjäger
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So she seems to be the main villain here...
Wonder if it was her attention to find a weak-minded American that she could mold.. Pretend she loved just to come here and wreck havoc
Chilling if true
Wonder if it was her attention to find a weak-minded American that she could mold.. Pretend she loved just to come here and wreck havoc
Chilling if true
Here is how ISIS responded to it...
http://www.westernjournalism.com/is...ernadino-shooting-was-jihadist-attack-on-u-s/
Anonymous is a non-factor here.
statham
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How could that not pass? I don't get it.
There are two kinds of ISIS terrorists:
the ones they train in Syria and send to do terrorist attacks (Paris, highly equipped, highly trained)
the ones that self radicalized, do their attacks while pledging.
ISIS will probably brag about those two, but these aren't the kind of attacks they exactly plan, they encourage them.
Remember that hostage crisis in Sydney, the guy was a total nutjob who didn't even have the right flag, yet ISIS used him as a poster boy.
Calamari41
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The only thing they're good for is fodder for useless facebook-shared articles with titles like "Anonymous just declared war on ISIS and that's amazing" and "Anonymous just shut down a bunch of ISIS profiles and I can't even"
Sadly true. So much shit happens and nothing changed.
The United States of America.
RPGCrazied
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The NRA has deep pockets with money.
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