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[styl3s]

they almost certainly are.

That -70% or so number doesn't just mean that Critics thought the movie was bad, it also means that audiences did too.

The movie was frontloaded with goodwill from those that thought it would be the next TDK. There doesn't appear to be any word of mouth or repeat business to put asses in seats from here on out, and this means that lack of goodwill is going to do terrible things to the next films they have in the pipeline.

Heads are absolutely rolling at Warner over this. there's no way to spin this into a positive.

Money trumps rotten tomato scores.

Yes, they are. This is a disaster at the boxoffice. You have to be delusional or insane to try and spin otherwise. The drop this is having is happening worlwide. It is cratering. It was a one weekend film and then is quickly falling apart.

It has absolutely no chance at doing a billion, let alone 900 million. The film isnt a bomb but it is a disaster, full stop.

Oh and almost no movie does well at home video anymore. The home video market is a shell of its former self. Bluray sales are in the toilet across the board.

Almost no movie does well at home video? I take it you don't look at blu-ray numbers.

And you are absolutely delusional if you think WB was expecting to make a billion + after that first trailer. People hated the movie over a year before it even came out.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I highly, highly, highly doubt WB expected to make even a billion off this film considering how much negativity that was surrounding it since the first trailer.

With a budget of $250 million, ubiquitous marketing, and Batman (the guy who had two consecutive billion dollar films), I'm sure 1 billion was the minimum projection for this film.

The buzz around the first trailer was good if I recall.

 

[xxracerxx]

I highly, highly, highly doubt WB expected to make even a billion off this film considering how much negativity that was surrounding it since the first trailer.

WB almost assuredly expected over a billion dollars for this.

 

[Choppasmith]

I never want a movie to be turn out poorly, but I won't lie that I'm kind of happy people are rejecting something that seems to have been a rushed and ill conceived attempt to launch a massive film franchise at the expense of a good movie.

Batman and Superman are two of my favourite superheroes, and I'd still be down for seeing a Justice League film. But I hope there's some big changes between now and then.

Same here. I was really hopeful for this film, and they blew it.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

Baloney. It's a movie with Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman together on screen for the first time. This movie having worse legs than Barbara Gordon is not a win.

 

[MartyStu]

Good.

I had a good time at the movie, but this movie should never have been.

This harsh and categorical rejection of Snyder is great and will hopefully result in him getting the boot and Justice League given to someone else.

 

[boiled goose]

Money trumps rotten tomato scores.

Huh? More money trumps less money...

 

[my6765490]

If somebody on the forums said that an R-rated deadpool movie will beat BvS domestic gross a year ago, they would've been a laughing stock, but now...

 

[Cheebo]

Money trumps rotten tomato scores.

And its doing TERRIBLE after the first weekend. That is a fact.

It it is possible this will finish the biggest second weekend drop of all time for a release this wide.

 

[Can Crusher]

Superhero landing. Hard on the knees, but pretty impressive.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Money trumps rotten tomato scores.

After ASM2 I'd have thought we could dispel with that myth

 

[jelly]

I wonder if they'll reboot with Suicide Squad, Wonder Women and then Affleck's Batman. The rest didn't happen. Recast Superman and Lex.

 

[Afro Samurai]

What were the percentages on other movies on their 2nd weekend?

 

[BigDug13]

Money trumps rotten tomato scores.

Money stops flowing when the tomato splats. I mean you realize the reason this thread was created, right? 70% drop.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

I highly, highly, highly doubt WB expected to make even a billion off this film considering how much negativity that was surrounding it since the first trailer.

WB almost assuredly expected over a billion dollars for this.

Which is it?!

 

[Manmademan]

Money trumps rotten tomato scores.

I'm not sure you got what I was saying.

Strong repeat business would have meant the rotten tomatoes scores were meaningless. There are films with bad scores that do huge box office regardless.

the financial dropoff from week 1 to 2 is the worst in the genre. Rotten Tomatoes doesn't even factor into it. Audiences are showing with their dollars that the film is bad. The "money" simply isn't there.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

It's because it's too fucking dark, and also incoherent. And I doubt kids understand half of what the fuck Lex was saying. I sure as hell didn't. Eisenberg single handedly ruined this whole thing. lol

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

I highly, highly, highly doubt WB expected to make even a billion off this film considering how much negativity that was surrounding it since the first trailer.

It's a movie with Batman, Superman & Wonder Woman in it, 3 of the biggest, most popular and most recognizable heroes of all time. The last 2 solo Batman films managed $1B. WB certainly expected at least $1B out of this.

 

[CosmicGroinPull]

LOL. "The Critics are the only ones that hated it, fans who saw it loved it. I'm sure it will do fine".

Time to face reality, superfans. Or you could continue to pretend it was a good movie. Either way, I'm highly entertained.



Anyway, I hope Cavill gets another shot. I want to see what he can do with a good script.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Money trumps rotten tomato scores.

We're in a topic about a 70% second week drop

 

[Dash_Riprock]

Money trumps rotten tomato scores.


Almost no movie does well at home video? I take it you don't look at blu-ray numbers.

And you are absolutely delusional if you think WB was expecting to make a billion + after that first trailer. People hated the movie over a year before it even came out.

Where the hell are you getting your sources? EVERY inside sources said this film needed to do a billion, MINIMUM.

But hey, if you know something the rest of us peons don't...

Which is it?!

The one that doesn't sound like a desperate fanboy excuse

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I never want a movie to be turn out poorly, but I won't lie that I'm kind of happy people are rejecting something that seems to have been a rushed and ill conceived attempt to launch a massive film franchise at the expense of a good movie.

The funny thing is...
The Batman, Wonder Woman and Justice League stuff in the movie is actually the best part mostly(certain scene was put in a really weird part though.)
Everything Superman related is what ruins this movie(Well besides like 2 good bits from Perry White)

 

[Jigorath]

I highly, highly, highly doubt WB expected to make even a billion off this film considering how much negativity that was surrounding it since the first trailer.

The last two Batman movies both made a billion. There's no way they expected less given that they're using this movie to kickstart like 8 other DC films.

 

[T-Rex.]

Ouch. A Batman vs Superman movie struggling to reach a billion; what a monumental fuck up. It might still get there, but if it does it's going to crawl there rather than smash past it. WB execs are definitely sweating.

 

[boiled goose]

It's because it's too fucking dark, and also incoherent. And I doubt kids understand half of what the fuck Lex was saying. I sure as hell didn't. Eisenberg single handedly ruined this whole thing. lol

This should have been two movies.
A tight and epic bvs

AND then, maybe a solid dawn of justice.

The Fucking mess of the title shows the issues with the concept of the movie. What a Fucking transparent mess.

 

[pestul]

Here's a screenshot from BOM of where BvS will likely fall worldwide:

Do you honestly think that WB will be happy falling in between some of those films?

EDIT: I have to laugh at Spectre still being in theatres. You got your $200M DOM, now get the fuck out.

 

[echoshifting]

It's because it's too fucking dark, and also incoherent. And I doubt kids understand half of what the fuck Lex was saying. I sure as hell didn't. Eisenberg single handedly ruined this whole thing. lol

I hated Eisenberg as Lex, but he doesn't even crack the top five of this movie's problems from where I'm sitting.

 

[xxracerxx]

Which is it?!

The last two Batman films each did over a billion and the last Superman did close to 700 million. WB was looking at a huge pay day.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Baloney. It's a movie with Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman together on screen for the first time. This movie having worse legs than Barbara Gordon is not a win.

 

[Cheebo]

Almost no movie does well at home video? I take it you don't look at blu-ray numbers.

Are you being serious? Bluray sales never came close to what DVD was doing and have been falling year after year. The home video market is a mere fraction of what it was at the height of DVD. It's a shrinking market.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

After ASM2 I'd have thought we could dispel with that myth

And if ASM2 taught us anything, it's that falling several hundred million short of a projection means that heads will roll or talent will be shifted.

This is probably good for Justice League. If the rumored reshoots of SS are true, it's probably good for their entire slate.

 

[styl3s]

Money stops flowing when the tomato splats. I mean you realize the reason this thread was created, right? 70% drop.

Tell that to the Transformers franchise.

Are you being serious? Bluray sales never came close to what DVD was doing and have been falling year after year. The home video market is a mere fraction of what it was at the height of DVD.

They still sell well as does digital media which you apparently don't count as home video market in 2016.

There is an entire generation that is almost fully digital via Itunes, Amazon, Vudu etc. It will do fine.

The last two Batman movies both made a billion. There's no way they expected less given that they're using this movie to kickstart like 8 other DC films.

Dark Knight made a billion+ because it transcended comic book films and had what a lot of people consider the best joker performance and DKR made that much because it followed the fucking Dark Knight.

Just because you have Batman in your movie doesn't guarantee a billion dollars.

 

[Kemal86]

This movie having worse legs than Barbara Gordon is not a win.

I said wow.

 

[CountAntonius]

It dragged and ir was dark. I enjoyed it(pacing aside) but I could see why audiences would dislike it.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

This should have been a straight TDKR adaption.
Remove Lex and his fucking subplots entirely. Remove Doomsday.

 

[Chezzymann]

Ouch. A Batman vs Superman movie struggling to reach a billion; what a monumental fuck up. It might still get there, but if it does it's going to crawl there rather than smash past it. WB execs are definitely sweating.

It isn't getting a billion. It's having performances like this worldwide. I think it made 19 million overseas on Friday.

 

[Slayven]

WB is not going to shutter it's doors or anything, but it got to be a kick in the teeth to have 2 of the most bankable IPs on screen togther and have it go over like a wet fart

 

[MMarston]

Baloney. It's a movie with Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman together on screen for the first time. This movie having worse legs than Barbara Gordon is not a win.

oof

 

[BigDug13]

It's because it's too fucking dark, and also incoherent. And I doubt kids understand half of what the fuck Lex was saying. I sure as hell didn't. Eisenberg single handedly ruined this whole thing. lol

The movie also had shit that was meaningless to non-comic book readers. I had no clue WTF that dream sequence with flying demons was all about, but apparently comic book people knew names and context. But abstract shit like this, in a fucking dream sequence no less, is just another one of those random scenes this movie had that takes you out of the marathon. Like I'm jogging, trying to get into the movie and Zach Snyder was Donkey Kong who kept throwing barrels at me of random, disjointed, and sometimes incomprehensible scenes

 

[Cheebo]

Tell that to the Transformers franchise.


They still sell well as does digital media which you apparently don't count as home video market in 2016.

There is an entire generation that is almost fully digital via Itunes, Amazon, Vudu etc. It will do fine.

I was talking about home video, not digital. Bluray sales are a joke compared to what DVD used to do.

 

[boiled goose]

This should have been a straight TDKR adaption.
Remove Lex and his fucking subplots entirely. Remove Doomsday.

Yup.

 

[Dalek]

I'm sure they are real upset and him making a movie that has made $587,822,793 worldwide so far.

And contrary to what GAF thinks it will do extremely well on home video as well.

 

[- J - D -]

Time to accelerate the director's cut blu-ray release.

 

[KonradLaw]

Still will pass billion probably.

Overall I think this isn't just the movie, but generally the sign of people slowly getting tired of superhero movies. It's not like they will collapse anytime soon and we;ll still see them regularly passing 700 mln, but I doubt anything in next few years will be able to beat first Avengers in box office.

 

[BigDug13]

Tell that to the Transformers franchise.

Can't really explain that one. Outlier I suppose. The series did start to rely on the Asian markets eventually though because people were going to see them less and less in the domestic market.

 

[Servbot #42]

They want Bs not Ms.

Exactly, this movie needed to hit at least 1 billion not too be considered a disappointment. The budget and the marketing were at least 400 million according to estimates, this drop doesn't bode well at all for WB investment.

 

[RedShift]

I'm sure they are real upset and him making a movie that has made $587,822,793 worldwide so far.

And contrary to what GAF thinks it will do extremely well on home video as well.

There are two commas in that number. Warner Bros wanted three commas.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

WB is not going to shutter it's doors or anything, but it got to be a kick in the teeth to have 2 of the most bankable IPs on screen togther and have it go over like a wet fart

I wouldn't call Superman bankable nowadays.

 

[xxracerxx]

Still will pass billion probably.
.

How?

 

[styl3s]

I was talking about home video, not digital. Bluray sales are a joke compared to what DVD used to do.

It's 2016 not 1996 of course digital is part of home video.

It's like not counting digital game sales.

Still will pass billion probably.

Overall I think this isn't just the movie, but generally the sign of people slowly getting tired of superhero movies. It's not like they will collapse anytime soon and we;ll still see them regularly passing 700 mln, but I doubt anything in next few years will be able to beat first Avengers in box office.

You just opened the floodgates brother.