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[Father_Brain]

Also: it's time to stop calling BvS "polarizing" or "divisive" as though it's a redux of MoS. Anyone is free to like or defend it, of course, but it's clear at this point that it's been negatively received and regarded as a bad film by the majority of people who've seen it.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Yeah, I keep telling myself that but I'm worried. There's a place for humor but every 30 sec during a fight ruins it for me.

That's really more an avengers thing because it's the group playing off each other, but even then it's mainly moments of levity after doing something impressive.

 

[element]

Prior to seeing it on Thursday I was expecting a 60% drop, after seeing it I changed it to a 70% or higher. BoxOfficeMojo has the final Friday numbers at an astonishing 81% drop.

Anyone thinking that WB wasn't expecting for it to hit around $1b is delusional. You are taking two of your most prestigious properties in their entire catalog, previously movies averaging $900m each and that is without the growth in foreign markets.

Anyone thinking that the loss could be offset by post theatre release (DVD/Bluray, Digital, Cable) is again delusional. Largest physical release only generate between $40m to &75m, and the ones on the high end are typically family or kid movies like Frozen or Minions. While digital is growing, it doesn't match those numbers at this time.

No matter what way you spin it, BvS is likely to go down as one of the largest failures in movie history. While it will still land someplace between $600m and $750m, for WB to use two of their most iconic IPs and put up over $400m in production and marketing in an attempt to build the launch pad for their potential next decade of films.

The mass audience has spoken, they don't like the direction. No matter how hardcore DC fans talk about it being amazing, when you can't get general movie goers to see the film or have difficulty getting repeat business you are going to have serious problems.

 

[Alienous]

The quickest way to kill my enthusiasm about DC movies is to turn them into MCU movies where they are cracking jokes in the middle of "life or death" fights. There's a place for light hearted CBMs but if we're getting that from both DC and Marvel count me out.

There are alternatives to being light hearted that aren't outright dour. Even the comics that Batman v Superman reference, the source material, probably wouldn't be considered 'light hearted', but those comics know how to be something other than relentlessly grim.

 

[The Outsider]

Spoiler

People take the Martha scene weird. Obviously the Martha scene made Batman realize Superman has family and people who care for him, that there is humanity in him.

Spoiler

The whole scene is filmed in such a contrived and hamfisted manner that it ruins any subtlety it might have otherwise brought to the table.

 

[Kusagari]

Spoiler

People take the Martha scene weird. Obviously the Martha scene made Batman realize Superman has family and people who care for him, that there is humanity in him.

Spoiler

The problem with the scene is that Superman yelling Martha instead of mother makes no sense. The scene could have been replicated the same way with Batman realizing all that without Superman screaming Martha. The entire scene just felt like a way for Snyder to go "hey did you guys ever realize both their mothers are named Martha? Guess you didn't, but I did. Smart huh?" Feels like him jacking off to his comic book knowledge, regardless of how awkwardly it comes off.

 

[PBY]

WB has to be freaking out. This is a disaster.


I wonder what it means for JL.

 

[echoshifting]

Also: it's time to stop calling BvS "polarizing" or "divisive" as though it's a redux of MoS. Anyone is free to like or defend it, of course, but it's clear at this point that it's been negatively received and regarded as a bad film by the majority of people who've seen it.

I think it's still fair to say it's divisive among comic book lovers but general audiences really do seem to have rejected it.

 

[xxracerxx]

That's really more an avengers thing because it's the group playing off each other, but even then it's mainly moments of levity after doing something impressive.

There was already a quip in BvS when the group got together, I fully expect more in JL.

Spoiler

"I thought she was with you."

 

[starchild excalibur]

When I saw it after work earlier this week my theater had about 15 people total. Even for a weekday afternoon I was kinda surprised by it.

A 70% drop this weekend will be crazy given how there's nothing big out.

 

[Disgraced]

Spoiler

People take the Martha scene weird. Obviously the Martha scene made Batman realize Superman has family and people who care for him, that there is humanity in him.

Spoiler

But KGBeast was only trying to earn a paycheck for his impoverished orphanage back home.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I'd still rather watch BvS any day of the week than have to endure watching Age of Ultron or Thor 2 again. Now those deserved to flop.

You think anyone's going to be talking about those films still in 10 years time? Even Deadpool is flavour of the month zeitgeist claptrap. BvS will still be on peoples minds wether you like it or not.

Poe's law in full effect. Can't distinguish this as sarcasm or genuine bitterness.

 

[Strangelove77]

http://kotaku.com/batman-v-superman-isnt-like-other-superhero-films-and-1768676827


"People are sheep." Brought to you by Kotaku.

 

[echoshifting]

Spoiler

The problem with the scene is that Superman yelling Martha instead of mother makes no sense. The scene could have been replicated the same way with Batman realizing all that without Superman screaming Martha. The entire scene just felt like a way for Snyder to go "hey did you guys ever realize both their mothers are named Martha? Guess you didn't, but I did. Smart huh?" Feels like him jacking off to his comic book knowledge, regardless of how awkwardly it comes off.

Spoiler

Really, the whole scene would have been so much more elegant if Batman realizes it as Lois shows up and throws herself on him, and once he's already had his epiphany, then we get Superman begging Batman to save his mom

 

[kswiston]

Poe's law in full effect. Can't distinguish this as sarcasm or genuine bitterness.

The funny thing about the "no one will talk about this in 10 years time" is that we are already 8 years out from Iron Man and people still talk about it. Hell, people still talk about X-Men Last Stand and that was both shit and a decade ago.

 

[Astral Dog]

the red capes are coming!, the red capes are coming!

 

[ThusZarathustra]

I still don't understand how an exec somewhere thought Zack Snyder could effectively act as both Joss Whedon and Kevin Fiege for for the DCCU and achieve the same level of success as them or better. What short sighted idiot looked at these men and their work product and thought that was a workable idea?

 

[Ninjimbo]

Okay, I haven't seen Bvs yet, but I can tell you right now if you think that's artsy, you're out of your mind.

Am I? With its blatant allusions to Christ and philosophical underpinnings about a hero's
role in society, the film has more in common with something like Watchmen or TDK than, say, Deadpool. It has characters gaining information through dream sequences and all types of wild, evocative imagery. It's been awhile since we've had a superhero film like this.

Watch the movie for yourself. It's clearly aiming for something higher than a standard blockbuster. Whether it succeeds or not, up to the viewer. I know I appreciate it and loved the film and want more of it.

 

[jack_package_200]

After they release Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman, they need to take things back to the drawing board. Get someone who is interested in making fans happy and not just "following their artistic vision" like Snyder. Get Brad Bird, Joss Whedon, Duncan Jones, Steven Soderbergh to helm the DC franchise. Hell George Lucas would be an improvement over Snyder.

Also: it's time to stop calling BvS "polarizing" or "divisive" as though it's a redux of MoS. Anyone is free to like or defend it, of course, but it's clear at this point that it's been negatively received and regarded as a bad film by the majority of people who've seen it.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Also: it's time to stop calling BvS "polarizing" or "divisive" as though it's a redux of MoS. Anyone is free to like or defend it, of course, but it's clear at this point that it's been negatively received and regarded as a bad film by the majority of people who've seen it.

If the majority believe something, it's true?

 

[JB1981]

Time to take the wrong lessons from Deadpool and release the R rated cut to theaters with a new marketing campaign.

Would love if they did this. Would see it for sure

 

[Sibersk Esto]

 

[Cheebo]

If the majority believe something it's true?

If the majority doesnt like a movie then it isnt divisive or polarizing. That implies there is a close split between those who like and those who don't.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

the red capes are coming!, the red capes are coming!

lol..that's messed up.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

If the majority doesnt like a movie then it isnt divisive or polarizing. That implies there is a close split between those who like and those who don't.

It kind of is when the average rating is 5/10 or 3.8/5 as noted on Rottentomatoes. 71% of audiences liked it.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/


What metric are you using again?

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Am I? With its blatant allusions to Christ and philosophical underpinnings about a hero's
role in society, the film has more in common with something like Watchmen or TDK than, say, Deadpool. It has characters gaining information through dream sequences and all types of wild, evocative imagery. It's been awhile since we've had a superhero film like this.

Age of Ultron had all those things and came out last year

 

[Cooter]

Dp

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

I still don't understand how an exec somewhere thought Zack Snyder could effectively act as both Joss Whedon and Kevin Fiege for for the DCCU and achieve the same level of success as them or better. What short sighted idiot looked at these men and their work product and thought that was a workable idea?

If WB wanted their DC universe to just be a visual spectacle then they succeeded in that front. The simple fact is that WB felt the pressure and rushed to catch up. They weren't ready for anything even when Nolan was trying to show them what they can do.

But Batman and Wonder Woman came out alright so I'm good.

 

[echoshifting]

Never mind I see Cheebo has it covered

 

[JB1981]

Watched Age of Ultron recently and don't understand the hate. Movie has a lot going for it and it's better than the original in a lot of ways

 

[Betty]

You just know Deadpool 2 is totally going to ape this.

I didn't think I could want Deadpool 2 more than I already did, but there ya go.

Someone, in some oscure subreddit just put a price on your head.

 

[Solid SOAP]

Woohoo! Bad movie.

 

[Ad0ve]

Hahaha, yeah, the bad reviews totally dont matter guys, I mean, Transformers makes a shitload of money doesnt it? And that dumb internationally audience will eat this shit up, aimright?

lol

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

After they release Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman, they need to take things back to the drawing board. Get someone who is interested in making fans happy and not just "following their artistic vision" like Snyder. Get Brad Bird, Joss Whedon, Duncan Jones, Steven Soderbergh to helm the DC franchise.

How close is Jon Favreau with Marvel these days?

 

[Cheebo]

It kind of is when the average rating is 5/10 or 3.8/5 as noted on Rottentomatoes. 71% of audiences liked it.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/


What metric are you using again?

The only actual metric that matters? Box Office. Movies do not drop 70% unless they have TOXIC word of mouth. Very few big budget movies have drops like that. To hit those levels it requires god-awful word of mouth.

 

[Kelsdesu]

More like

SAVAGE.

 

[Moppeh]

Am I? With its blatant allusions to Christ and philosophical underpinnings about a hero's
role in society, the film has more in common with something like Watchmen or TDK than, say, Deadpool. It has characters gaining information through dream sequences and all types of wild, evocative imagery. It's been awhile since we've had a superhero film like this.

Watch the movie for yourself. It's clearly aiming for something higher than a standard blockbuster. Whether it succeeds or not, up to the viewer. I know I appreciate it and loved the film and want more of it.

I'm sure it is aiming for something higher but simply having a philosophic theme doesn't make it artsy.

I also wouldn't call The Dark Knight or Watchmen artsy, either. There are more to them than a MCU film, but in my mind, artsy films are part of or are related to avante garde cinema. BvS ain't that.

I do want to see it, though. I know I'm going to despise every second of it, but I really am missing out on the conversation surrounding BvS.

 

[Raguel]

Am I? With its blatant allusions to Christ and philosophical underpinnings about a hero's
role in society, the film has more in common with something like Watchmen or TDK than, say, Deadpool. It has characters gaining information through dream sequences and all types of wild, evocative imagery. It's been awhile since we've had a superhero film like this.

Watch the movie for yourself. It's clearly aiming for something higher than a standard blockbuster. Whether it succeeds or not, up to the viewer. I know I appreciate it and loved the film and want more of it.

Ah. The "movie is too deep and smart" for the haters argument. Love it.

 

[guek]

Age of Ultron had all those things and came out last year

Lol it's hilarious because it's true. AoU also had some great ideas with a not so great execution.

 

[xxracerxx]

I'm sure it is aiming for something higher but simply having a philosophic theme doesn't make it artsy.

I also wouldn't call The Dark Knight or Watchmen artsy, either. There are more to them than a MCU film, but in my mind, artsy films are part of or are related to avante garde cinema. BvS ain't that.

I do want to see it, though. I know I'm going to despise every second of it, but I really am missing out on the conversation surrounding BvS.

Alfred is great in this and the Batsuit is on point.

 

[Cheebo]

Look up the hashtag #supportdcfilms on Twitter. They are treating this like its some kind of black lives matter movement.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

The only actual metric that matters? Box Office. Movies do not drop 70% unless they have TOXIC word of mouth. Very few big budget movies have drops like that. To hit those levels it requires god-awful word of mouth.

Box office isn't the only metric that matters.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=jamesbond21.htm

Casino Royale -- by box office metrics (as noted by you) -- is a bad movie.

Audiences liked it, it has bad word of mouth, it's still divisive. You can choose a side if you want and that's totally fine but you're really only accepting evidence you find that works for you.

To each their own.

Edit: Deathly Hallows pt 2 dropped more than BvS.

 

[Sibersk Esto]

Lol it's hilarious because it's true. AoU also had some great ideas with a not so great execution.

I would say better execution than this

 

[Sweeney Tom]

lol someone post the dozens of threads that said this was making at least a billion

 

[Chariot]

Look up the hashtag #supportdcfilms on Twitter. They are treating this like its some kind of black lives matter movement.

Bat Lives Matter, Cheebo!

We're probably at a Xbox One vs PS4 situation, where people think the best for the market is to support something despite disliking it compared to the competitor.

 

[echoshifting]

Look up the hashtag #supportdcfilms on Twitter. They are treating this like its some kind of black lives matter movement.

That is just embarrassing. Any and all DCEU fans should be embarrassed by that.

 

[guek]

I would say better execution than this

I probably will too but I have yet to actually see BvS

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Watched Age of Ultron recently and don't understand the hate. Movie has a lot going for it and it's better than the original in a lot of ways

Ultron didn't need to be a stand-up comedian.

 

[Monocle]

Watched Age of Ultron recently and don't understand the hate. Movie has a lot going for it and it's better than the original in a lot of ways

Yep, I thought it delivered.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Spoiler

People take the Martha scene weird. Obviously the Martha scene made Batman realize Superman has family and people who care for him, that there is humanity in him.

That's fine, but the problem is while it defuses the conflict between Bats and Supes, it doesn't address or resolve the conflicts between them. It just came out of left field. It's like if Rey and Ren realized they both really loved the color blue at the end The Force Awakens and stopped fighting because they find a common humanity between them. That doesn't solve the reason they were fighting.

Yep, I thought it delivered.

I though it was a bit over stuffed, and I didn't like some of Ultron's characterization, but it's a fundamentally well made film. The ending scene between Ultron and Vision had more emotional resonance than anything in BvS, because it earned it.