That isn't going to matter to Corbyn. He will carry on and have the Blairites de-selected. Already Angela Eagle is facing opposition from her local party.
This is going to be a protracted war and it seems like Corbyn has the stomach for it.
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That isn't going to matter to Corbyn. He will carry on and have the Blairites de-selected. Already Angela Eagle is facing opposition from her local party.
This is going to be a protracted war and it seems like Corbyn has the stomach for it.
Burnham wants nothing to do with any of this mess. He's off to be Mayor of Manchester
This is not about Blairites. I mean Jesus Christ do you people even pay attention to the party your supposedly fanatical about? There aren't even 20 Blairites left in parliament. MPs from the left wing have been resigning - Seema Malhotra ffs! And Eagle is not a blairite!
It's so frustrating to see people who know fuck all about the party talk like this. If you're going to take apart a political party in your crusade for purity at least have a clue about who you are talking about.
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Like every fucking labour leader. So what? He doesn't understand or doesn't care how to navigate the media, inspire his own party or even be taken seriously as a counterpoint to the government.
He is a rebel, who isn't even good at inspiring a rebellion.
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Corbyn is just like Bernie. Nice on paper, but poor in practice.
He should have swallowed his pride and actually campaigned properly for Remain but he couldn't do that, and now he should swallow his pride and resign because if he wins this leadership election somehow Labour is finished.
He should have swallowed his pride and actually campaigned properly for Remain but he couldn't do that, and now he should swallow his pride and resign because if he wins this leadership election somehow Labour is finished.
Ridiculous that people who probably aren't even members saying MPs who have been Labour members all their life don't represent the party.
Would be nice to have a functioning opposition. Forgot what that's like.
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Are we sure? I'm half expecting him to back out and run for Bristol Mayor at this rate.
Corbyn is solidly far left, a Trot in fact; a quality the British public are notoriously hostile to in their political leaders, for good reason.
He backs the Kremlin line on pretty much everything. Corbyn was previously a frequent contributor to anti Western propaganda outfits RT and Press TV.
Huw_Dawson
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Over two hundred MPs in the Labour party and the PLP picked Eagle to fight Corbyn?
The PLP will lose this easily.
The PLP will lose this easily.
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Because the Glenn Greenwalds of the world keep making the same point that this is about Blairites when that's clearly not what this is about. Same with Eagle.
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They're all UKIP voters now.
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Sadly true.
JonathanEx
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Just read that Labour are discussing membership for Galloway.
Jesus fucking Christ Corbyn.
Jesus fucking Christ Corbyn.
Oh yeah, she is definitely the working-class type, right? Not like she's tied to finance in any way shape or form.
Huw_Dawson
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This is one of the things that makes the Corbynite "two thirds of Labour voters voted for Remain" line stink. Traditional Labour - the people Corbyn SHOULD be able to reach out to, the people he needs to secure further support from to win a general election* have now left Labour. Corbyn's test in the referendum campaign was to reach out to those voters and drag them back towards his party's beliefs. He failed miserably. The fact that he's attempting to hide behind the figure anyway shows how little political nous his team has..
Corbyn cannot handle the media, he cannot reach out to the areas of the working class his urban leftie thinking is alien to, he has split his own party's top brass (potentially irrevocably) and he has only really succeeded at demonstrating the total and complete incompetence of the modern post-Blair Labour movement.
He should go. He should go NOW. Instead, well over half the membership will back him and Labour's crisis may well deepen to a split.
Corbyn has crashed to Michael Foot levels of terribleness. If he doesn't quit soon, he may run into Ramsay MacDonnell on the way down.
*Read: become the leader of a Labour/SNP coalition, as Labour are now functionally dead in Scotland.
Where did you read this?
Silent Chief
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According to the rules, it's up to the 140 MPs who opposes Corbyn to sign enough members to replace him. No?
Huw_Dawson
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Derek Hatton will be the real test. He's already attempted to rejoin once (after Corbyn was elected) and was blocked. If he tries again post coup (and Momentum at that point de-facto taking over the party) then I wouldn't be surprised to see him get back in.
Without the centre-left wing of the party, or at the least the total defeat of them by the re-election of Corbyn, I could see a lot of former still-living Militant members attempt to get back in. This represents the total defeat of the post-Foot approach to the hard left in Labour.
My belief has been since Corbyn was elected that this coming conference season would decide the fate of the Labour party. If we're going into that season with Corbyn and the hard left triumphant, then Limehouse 2.0 seems inevitable to me.
Apparently bullshit. Wouldn't put it past them at this point though.
Militant finally getting the Labour party they want, Jesus...
JonathanEx
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Oh yes, apologies: https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/747912859854708736
Edit: nice to see it being rebuffed already. Phew.
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They're already back in, for the most part.
Eddie the Eagle would probably have a better chance leading labour into the next general election.
Huw_Dawson
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We'll see how it goes. This conference will be the real test. At this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Clause IV was changed back or something.
But Hatton is the big one.
There's three main factors that decide whether you'll win an election:
-how much the current mob is hated/the mood for change;
-the state of the economy;
-the quality of the opposition.
Based on the first two factors Corbyn should be romping it home. But (like Trump) he's so unpalatable to the electorate that his ostensible advantage has been completely nullified.
-how much the current mob is hated/the mood for change;
-the state of the economy;
-the quality of the opposition.
Based on the first two factors Corbyn should be romping it home. But (like Trump) he's so unpalatable to the electorate that his ostensible advantage has been completely nullified.
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Ahaha. The latest hope of the PLP is Angela Eagle? Oh my sides!
Quite.
This is my major problem with the Anyone But Corbyn brigade: Their candidates are universally shit.
If your criticism is that Corbyn is an unelectable ideologue, you need to present an electable alternative, because the vast majority of Labour members will take someone genuinely Left and unelectable over someone just as unelectable but also as genuine as a two-bob teapot.
Quite.
This is my major problem with the Anyone But Corbyn brigade: Their candidates are universally shit.
If your criticism is that Corbyn is an unelectable ideologue, you need to present an electable alternative, because the vast majority of Labour members will take someone genuinely Left and unelectable over someone just as unelectable but also as genuine as a two-bob teapot.
Yes because polls are so trustworthy these days. He's won every by election so far including mayoral London.
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I don't know of this is necessarily the case. Obviously it would be ideal for them, but when Brown and Ed lost, they didn't "take the party with them" - they resigned, a new leader took over and they moved on. Corbyn has the potential to absolutely split the party, and not even down the middle a la The Tories with Europe but he'll split Labour in such a way that the leadership represents only a tiny slither of support amongst the electorate at large.
Heh. I mean, Sadik didn't even want to campaign with him and didn't invite him to his celebration event when he won, but suuuurrrrreeee he win the Mayor of London campaign.
What I don't understand is that if all these anti-Corbyn people have leverage within the party, how come they can't mobilize enough members to vote against him? (maybe they can we have to wait and see)
You're right sorry, I forgot the British public were tired of experts.
I agree that it's an issue, it's the central issue of the Labour party today. I would still make two points 1) Corbyn looks set to do worse than Miliband, perhaps by a lot. It would be an improvement to have a leader that can improve on that even if they can't win a majority. 2) We KNOW that Corbyn is not going to cut it at this point, for other people it's merely hypothetical. I know that sounds a bit desperate, but that is the state which we are in.
That's why my ideal scenario was Corbyn accepting he was not going to cut it and working with top people in the PLP to pick someone to rally around. Corbyn could then endorse someone he really believes in and we wouldn't lose his supporters but he'd also be able to reach out to people whom Corbyn doesn't appeal to at all.
Unity is out the window though so meh :/
Everyone knows Corbyn has a lot of support in the party, he just doesn't have appeal amongst the electorate.
People like to attribute the fact that he's unelectable but take for example the mayoral London election. Lets assume as you say that it wasn't down to Corbyn at all. People vote for their own constituencies and interests. What matters is policy. Who the leader of the party is won't make a big difference. if Corbyn is really that hated then London will surly not have been that easy for Labour. As it turns out if you have a good candidate with the right polices then you can win. Sure a more confident leader will get you some votes but I think it is overblown the importance. You are voting for MPs not a president like say in America. Age of popularity in molds of Tony Blair type politicians that can single handle swing elections is gone.
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I will admit that I don't really have my finger on the pulse of UK politics, but could someone explain to me where Corbyn's support is even coming from? Everything I hear or read about him sounds like a shit show
Who says he is unelectable? A week ago, Brexit was almost unattainable. 15 months ago, a Tory majority was a dream. You cannot call anyone unelectable in the current climate.
Corbyn appeals to people who would otherwise not vote. I would take the risk with Corbyn rather than get another smug, robotic Labour leader conforming to austerity Tory policies because that's what they think will work.
Corbyn appeals to people who would otherwise not vote. I would take the risk with Corbyn rather than get another smug, robotic Labour leader conforming to austerity Tory policies because that's what they think will work.
That's generally because the UK media at large despise him, and he despises them.
He appeals to young, left wing voters. You have probably heard nothing but bad things about him because the media has a strong agenda against him. He is unlike any other major UK politician. He is a normal guy who just speaks sense instead of having a Malcolm Tucker standing over him at all times telling him what to say and do.
Based on what? Prediction polls that can't predict for shit?
A lot of Labour party members never really like Tony Blair because he was seen as compromising on a lot of key Labour principals. I guess this was countered for a long time by his huge electoral success but now he's almost universally despised because of the Iraq war. After the Labour party got voted out in 2010 the perception has been that they are still too willing to compromise with the Conservative party and what they need to do is return to "core Labour values" (whatever they may be).
Corbyn was elected by the membership to deliver on this basically. Unfortunately he never commanded the support of the other MPs and he has been utterly ineffectual as leader. He openly hates the entire press and refuses to work with them, he views anyone in the party who isn't with him as against him etc.
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_/¯ Blaming the polls is always a sign of desperation.I think the PLP hasn't really considered its actions very well since the election of Corbyn.
It's all well and good saying "oh it's been taken over by old commies" but Corbyn brought a lot of young people into the party membership and made them enthusiastic about politics. The PLP are playing with fire when it comes to possibly alienating their future base.
Corbyn's position is untenable now though, and for all his ills, the PLP's behavior has not been particularly inspiring.
It's all well and good saying "oh it's been taken over by old commies" but Corbyn brought a lot of young people into the party membership and made them enthusiastic about politics. The PLP are playing with fire when it comes to possibly alienating their future base.
Corbyn's position is untenable now though, and for all his ills, the PLP's behavior has not been particularly inspiring.
Many who lost hope in Labour got interested again by Corbyn being an actual social-democrat instead of a centrist. My timeline on Facebook is full of Corbyn support.
Strange for him to put people who were against him on the shadow cabinet in the first place then.
No he didn't bring them in. If he had, he wouldn't be performing so utterly terribly in the polls - worse than any other opposition leader at this stage of the cycle. Corbyns base is extremely loud, extremely passionate - and extremely small. It does not reflect the wider electorate at all, and the evidence we have to date shows they neither like him nor want him.
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There's wacky strangeness due to the vagaries of campaigning - there was a crap Remain campaign this year and an *excellent* Tory campaign (specifically targeting Lib Dems to squeeze via making people scared of the SNP) supported by one of the worst Labour campaigns in recent memory (the Ed stone, the bacon sandwich).
Then there's Corbyn.
We're talking about:
-> A totally split Labour party
-> A voting public that really, really does not like the hard left ("socialists") once you move outside of urban areas (and this trend is more relevant the older the voter)
-> Corbyn's total inability to manage the media (the Vice documentary)
-> The SNP juggernaut blocking any Labour resurgence in Scotland (the only likely SNP casualty in a new GE would be in Edinburgh West)
-> The continual and seemingly accelerating movement of Labour's heartlands towards social conservatism (rise of UKIP) which Corbyn and the wider Labour movement have no strategy for stopping.
Jesus himself would have to go knocking on doors with a red rosette before Labour won a 2016 election - let alone an election headed by Corbyn.
I know you probably didn't mean it like that, but there's a lot of irony in calling Corbyn a social democrat. The first time Labour went around this rodeo, it was the Gang of Four who took that mantle.
He's not a social democrat - he's a socialist, period. He's also at *least* a sympathiser to the Trotsykites.
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