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[Coriolanus]

Yep.

You need a certain level of charisma to become the leader of a political party and Corbyn has negative charisma.

Not to become. To stay. Otherwise the sentence makes no sense.

As an American, let me just tell you that you have to control the political center in the first place before you can re-orient that center back to the left.

Is both, in truth. You gotta recapture the Center without conceding the narrative, otherwise youre letting the other side move the overton window making your job way the fuck harder in the long run. Then when in power, you try to move it in your direction as much as you can.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

i like that 'is a good leader' is now like a more valuable quality than 'was against a badly judged war that led to the rise of isis'

Normally, I'd agree. Right now, I have precisely two criteria for a Labour leader: a) immediately electable, b) strongly anti-Brexit.

 

[And_Gignac]

Labour is finished. UKIP will take over from here.

 

[avaya]

i like that 'is a good leader' is now like a more valuable quality than 'was against a badly judged war that led to the rise of isis'

Post 249.

 

[nOoblet16]

Why do they even bother? He'll win again.

Accept defeat and get along with him rather than destroy the party further, he was democratically elected afterall by an overwhelming majority.

 

[Carl2291]

What happens when your party gets overrun by far left loonies.

I actually feel sorry for genuine Labour voters. Didn't think I'd ever say that.

 

[nOoblet16]

What happens when your party gets overrun by far left loonies.

I actually feel sorry for genuine Labour voters. Didn't think I'd ever say that.

He isn't "far left", just because the centre has shifted to the right in UK does not make him far left.

 

[Baybars]

i like that 'is a good leader' is now like a more valuable quality than 'was against a badly judged war that led to the rise of isis'

ISIS rose from the ashes of saddam's bathist henchmen and maliki's oppression of sunnis after the american forces left in 2011.

The fact of the matter is. For every wrong blair has made, he had a successful one. Case in point kosovo. I am positive a clown like corbyn would have backed the russians in that war

 

[avaya]

He isn't "far left", just because the centre has shifted to the right in UK does not make him far left.

He is far left. He is tea party left. Homeopathy, anti-nuclear, pacifist. All the ideology over everything left.

Someone like Angela Eagle is left or a Nandy. Corbyn is tea party left.

 

[Piecake]

He isn't "far left", just because the centre has shifted to the right in UK does not make him far left.

That pretty much makes him far left. He is on the far left of the British political spectrum, the only political spectrum that matters when you are discussing British politics.

 

[Baybars]

What happens when your party gets overrun by far left loonies.

I actually feel sorry for genuine Labour voters. Didn't think I'd ever say that.

The labour party has been taken over by a socialist cult movement who couldnt care less about goevrnance and more to make a point.

 

[Erevador]

He isn't "far left", just because the centre has shifted to the right in UK does not make him far left.

Corbyn is a radical of the old 70s left. This is particularly true of his foreign policy "convictions."

Corbyn would not have been "center left" at any point in modern history.

 

[Zelias]

I have had some patience for Corbyn, but I don't see how anyone can defend him staying any longer. There is very likely to be a general election in October, regardless of who wins the Conservative nomination. Right now, the Parliamentary Labour Party will not stand for Corbyn. You may disagree with this. If so, your only way to change this is to start a deselection process. If that happened right now, the party would split; there are simply too many anti-Corbyn MPs to make that kind of shift possible. That would mean ceding the general election to the Conservatives. Given this election will almost certainly be fought on the topic of Europe, that is absolutely unconscionable; this is perhaps the very final chance to avert a catastrophic sequence of events for the United Kingdom, far beyond the consequences of any normal election.

Normally, I'd be a Starmer man, or perhaps Nandy. Certainly, I'm on the left of the party. But right now, we need Dan Jarvis. I can't see any compelling argument to the alternative.

As much as I agree that averting Brexit is more important than keeping Corbyn (and I like Corbyn), I'm not sure this scenario of ditching him then winning an election on an anti-Brexit platform is plausible.

 

[Baybars]

Corby is a radical of the old 70s left. This is particularly true of his foreign policy "convictions."

Corbyn would not have been "center left" at any point in modern history.

Corbyn can have a career as the mayor of dahiyah in south lebanon if he wants which is hezbollah strong hold or failing that, he can go back to being a pundit on presstv other wise known as a Iran's revolutionary Guards channel

 

[avaya]

As much as I agree that averting Brexit is more important than keeping Corbyn (and I like Corbyn), I'm not sure this scenario of ditching him then winning an election on an anti-Brexit platform is plausible.

The City would fund Jarvis.

 

[nOoblet16]

Blairites desperately trying to tease a resignation from Corbyn before Chilcot is released next week.

He'll will be looking pretty good next week when he gets to apologize on behalf of all the warmongers in the labour party.

I'm unaware but what is the relationship between Chilcot and Corbyn's

 

[nOoblet16]

Corby is a radical of the old 70s left. This is particularly true of his foreign policy "convictions."

Corbyn would not have been "center left" at any point in modern history.

Left isn't just limited to centre left and far left. He's moderate left if anything.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

I'm unaware but what is the relationship between Chilcot and Corbyn's

The momentum lot have a fantasy which pertains everyone who objects to calamity being part of a conspiracy to stop Tony Blair from being criticised in a report which will lead to nothing.

And Corbyn is not moderate left. He is far left. He's a closet trot and always has been. How many soft left MPs have the SWP making up the majority of a crowd supporting them?

 

[hohoXD123]

So is it confirmed now that Corbyn will not automatically be on the ballot as he is the current leader?

 

[avaya]

Lest isn't just limited to centre left and far left. He's moderate left if anything.

On the only spectrum that matters in a domestic political equation he is extreme left.

 

[Faddy]

I'm unaware but what is the relationship between Chilcot and Corbyn's

Chilcot is a report into the Iraq war which most of the Labour party voted for. Many people hope it will show prominent Labour politicians lied about the reasons and falsified evidence. Many of these people are still Labour MPs and want to return the party to the Blair days.

If Corbyn remains in control when the report is published he will stand as the leader of the opposition and eviscerate the Labour MPs who voted for war then and are trying to oust him now. He may even call for Tony Blair to be arrested for war crimes depending on what is in the report.

 

[avaya]

Chilcot is a report into the Iraq war which most of the Labour party voted for. Many people hope it will show prominent Labour politicians lied about the reasons and falsified evidence. Many of these people are still Labour MPs and want to return the party to the Blair days.

If Corbyn remains in control when the report is published he will stand as the leader of the opposition and eviscerate the Labour MPs who voted for war then and are trying to oust him now. He may even call for Tony Blair to be arrested for war crimes depending on what is in the report.

So the Labour party is still tied up with a war from 2016 while the entire country is on the verge of an economic catastrophe only topped by World War II.

 

[Erevador]

Chilcot is a report into the Iraq war which most of the Labour party voted for. Many people hope it will show prominent Labour politicians lied about the reasons and falsified evidence. Many of these people are still Labour MPs and want to return the party to the Blair days.

If Corbyn remains in control when the report is published he will stand as the leader of the opposition and eviscerate the Labour MPs who voted for war then and are trying to oust him now. He may even call for Tony Blair to be arrested for war crimes depending on what is in the report.

This post is so absurd that there's no use even responding to it.

Better just to let it speak for itself.

 

[Aki-at]

Chilcot is a report into the Iraq war which most of the Labour party voted for. Many people hope it will show prominent Labour politicians lied about the reasons and falsified evidence. Many of these people are still Labour MPs and want to return the party to the Blair days.

If Corbyn remains in control when the report is published he will stand as the leader of the opposition and eviscerate the Labour MPs who voted for war then and are trying to oust him now. He may even call for Tony Blair to be arrested for war crimes depending on what is in the report.

Is Corbyn going to erase the 170 MPs that voted against him? Is only the 40 MPs who voted in favour of him the true Labour DNA MPs?

That's just where support for him has dried up for me. At least Brown and Miliband managed to keep the revolting down to a select group of people, Corbyn has just lost the majority of the PLP. I say this as someone who fully supported him but sometimes when it's the time to go it's the time to go.

 

[Karsticles]

Not enough byebitch.gifs in the world to sum up how I feel about this guy.

If people want to blame somebody for how Brexit turned out look no further.

Why not vote all of the people that voted Leave?

 

[BadHand]

I'm unaware but what is the relationship between Chilcot and Corbyn's

Corbyn wanted to apologize for the Iraq invasion and has suggested that Tony Blair may be guilty of war crimes. Labour MPs and other associates argued that he shouldn't until after the publication of Chilcot's report.

 

[nOoblet16]

The momentum lot have a fantasy which pertains everyone who objects to calamity being part of a conspiracy to stop Tony Blair from being criticised in a report which will lead to nothing.

And Corbyn is not moderate left. He is far left. He's a closet trot and always has been. How many soft left MPs have the SWP making up the majority of a crowd supporting them?

You think Sturgeon is far left too then ? Cause he really isn't any different from her. Far left is Marxist communism, Maoist, anarchist and such. Corbyn is a democratic socialist ehich puts him just left. Centre left would be Blair.

 

[JonathanEx]

Is Corbyn going to erase the 170 MPs that voted against him? Is only the 40 MPs who voted in favour of him the true Labour DNA MPs?

That's just where support for him has dried up for me. At least Brown and Miliband managed to keep the revolting down to a select group of people, Corbyn has just lost the majority of the PLP. I say this as someone who fully supported him but sometimes when it's the time to go it's the time to go.

Well, that might be what they attempt. There's been rumblings that there'll be pushing to deselect non-Corbyn following MPs. Momentum and their supporters have been quite heavily pushing against some MPs already.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

You think Sturgeon is far left too then ? Cause he really isn't any different from her. Far left is Marxist communism, Maoist and such. Corbyn is a democratic socialist ehich puts him just left. Centre left would be Blair.

The SNP are to the right of new labour.

Corbyn's entire playbook comes from the bennite trots saga that he was a central plank of in the 1980s. He wants to turn the CLPs into soviets. He has the SWP and other fringe trot groups propping him up, groups that have for their entire existence sought the destruction of the labour party because they are not marxist enough.

You've been taken for a ride. This is not orchestrated by Corbyn, none of it ever was. He's a simpleton. The people that you're supporting are trots, from trot parties with trot ideals. There was a plausible deniability about it before, but it's glaringly obvious that Jeremy Corbyn is clinging on to prevent the trot takeover from failing.

 

[Aki-at]

Well, that might be what they attempt. There's been rumblings that there'll be pushing to deselect non-Corbyn following MPs. Momentum and their supporters have been quite heavily pushing against some MPs already.

If that's the tactic they play it'd be worrying to see how he would even deal with world leaders.

 

[nOoblet16]

Chilcot is a report into the Iraq war which most of the Labour party voted for. Many people hope it will show prominent Labour politicians lied about the reasons and falsified evidence. Many of these people are still Labour MPs and want to return the party to the Blair days.

If Corbyn remains in control when the report is published he will stand as the leader of the opposition and eviscerate the Labour MPs who voted for war then and are trying to oust him now. He may even call for Tony Blair to be arrested for war crimes depending on what is in the report.

So considering he isn't stepping down, he is still considered the leader for now right ? Chilcot is only a week away or so.

 

[Coriolanus]

The SNP are to the right of new labour.

Corbyn's entire playbook comes from the bennite trots saga that he was a central plank of in the 1980s. He wants to turn the CLPs into soviets. He has the SWP and other fringe trot groups propping him up, groups that have for their entire existence sought the destruction of the labour party because they are not marxist enough.

You've been taken for a ride. This is not orchestrated by Corbyn, none of it ever was. He's a simpleton. The people that you're supporting are trots, from trot parties with trot ideals. There was a plausible deniability about it before, but it's glaringly obvious that Jeremy Corbyn is clinging on to prevent the trot takeover from failing.

Can you back that up with data? cuz that reads like conspiracy theory, not far removed from "the establishment controls everything, really" talks.

 

[Hazzuh]

He is far left. He is tea party left. Homeopathy, anti-nuclear, pacifist. All the ideology over everything left.

Someone like Angela Eagle is left or a Nandy. Corbyn is tea party left.

His main issue isn't even his ideology, it's his utter refusal to compromise, even with people who agree with him on 90% of things.

Also, it says it all that Corbynistas are still frothing at the mouth over Blair. He hasn't been leader for nearly ten years. A huge amount of the PLP weren't even around for Blair!

The rest of the country has moved on, we are trying to solve the problems the country has NOW, which if you haven't noticed are pretty significant! The working man in the street doesn't have a flying fuck about you purging the Labour party of so called "Blairites" (which just means people who don't like Corbyn at this point).

 

[Chinner]

Corbyn is a fine activist - not a leader.

 

[Faddy]

The SNP are to the right of new labour.

Corbyn's entire playbook comes from the bennite trots saga that he was a central plank of in the 1980s. He wants to turn the CLPs into soviets. He has the SWP and other fringe trot groups propping him up, groups that have for their entire existence sought the destruction of the labour party because they are not marxist enough.

You've been taken for a ride. This is not orchestrated by Corbyn, none of it ever was. He's a simpleton. The people that you're supporting are trots, from trot parties with trot ideals. There was a plausible deniability about it before, but it's glaringly obvious that Jeremy Corbyn is clinging on to prevent the trot takeover from failing.

The SNP are not to the right of New Labour. They consistently voted against war, against austerity (not abstaining like Blairites), removal of prescription charges, removal of university fees.

The have centralised services in Scotland and effectively neutered the power of councils by tying funding to not raising taxes.

The way most Scots see it is that the SNP just stole Labour's ground, there was no left-right shift. The Scottish Labour government at Holyrood was deemed ineffective so people voted for the SNP.

 

[War Peaceman]

This isn't about the Blairites, really, they comprise a small part of the PLP and are about to be humiliated with Chilcott. Blaming them is completely missing the point. Corbyn is not capable of managing a political party. A decent man with good beliefs, but not a political leader. He is unable to comprise and therein unable to be a politician.

 

[pigeon]

Chilcot is a report into the Iraq war which most of the Labour party voted for. Many people hope it will show prominent Labour politicians lied about the reasons and falsified evidence. Many of these people are still Labour MPs and want to return the party to the Blair days.

If Corbyn remains in control when the report is published he will stand as the leader of the opposition and eviscerate the Labour MPs who voted for war then and are trying to oust him now. He may even call for Tony Blair to be arrested for war crimes depending on what is in the report.

Okay, I knew your politics were becoming Americanized but I didn't realize you had your own Benghazi.

 

[Coriolanus]

Okay, I knew your politics were becoming Americanized but I didn't realize you had your own Benghazi.

Has been ongoing since 2009, mate.

 

[avaya]

SNP Parliamentary leader Angus Robertson may claim at PMQs tmrw he should be deemed Leader of Opposition as has 56 MPs behind him; Corbyn 40
-Michael Crick, Twitter

 

[pigeon]

SNP Parliamentary leader Angus Robertson may claim at PMQs tmrw he should be deemed Leader of Opposition as has 56 MPs behind him; Corbyn 40
-Michael Crick, Twitter

I don't know enough about the UK system to identify whether this is an OH SNAP or an actual political suggestion that would carry meaningful weight.

Just in case, OH SNAP

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

Can you back that up with data? cuz that reads like conspiracy theory, not far removed from "the establishment controls everything, really" talks.

Andrew Fischer, Seamus Milne, John McDonnell, Dianne Abbot. Corbyn's social media is run from a marxist bookshop in Durham.

 

[Cromat]

Left isn't just limited to centre left and far left. He's moderate left if anything.

He's a Marxist, not even a particularly closeted one.

 

[avaya]

I don't know enough about the UK system to identify whether this is an OH SNAP or an actual political suggestion that would carry meaningful weight.

Just in case, OH SNAP

Wouldn't change it, just a huge OH SNAP.

 

[Chinner]

Wrong thread lol

 

[Faddy]

This isn't about the Blairites, really, they comprise a small part of the PLP and are about to be humiliated with Chilcott. Blaming them is completely missing the point. Corbyn is not capable of managing a political party. A decent man with good beliefs, but not a political leader. He is unable to comprise and therein unable to be a politician.

But it isn't just the PLP who are attacking Corbyn. Alistair Campbell was on the news today calling for his resignation. Even though plenty Blairites have left parliament they still hold sway within the party.

And yes there are only a few left from the Blair years, they are big hitters

Liz Kendall
Liam Byrne
Ben Bradshaw
Tristram Hunt
Angela Eagle
Gloria De Piero

And they have their own followers in the PLP.

There is talk of David Miliband standing in Jo Cox seat and being parachuted in as a Blairite leader. The right wing of New Labour still exists and is still powerful. The Chilcot report could take the head off that snake.

 

[nitronite]

I hope the Europeans leaders don't forget that 48% of the UK public voted against this, and many of us identify as Europeans. Although it'll never happen, any gesture would be appreciated...

Do the conservatives, when they implement their policies, remember that ~70% of the people voted against them?

 

[Chinner]

wrong thread

 

[hohoXD123]

Do the conservatives, when they implement their policies, remember that ~70% of the people voted against them?

Of course, they are bent on screwing over the under-65 population after all

 

[Jezbollah]

Michael Crick (@MichaelLCrick)
Good source says Andy Burnham about to quit Shadow Cabinet, and three people appointed to it yesterday

If a massive Burnham flipflop doesnt send JC the message, maybe three people he hired yesterday?

Woof.

 

[JonathanEx]

Burnham tweeted to deny it.

His quickest u-turn yet then.