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WWE Summerslam 2016 |OT| The Flo Rida Concert Is Canceled

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Joe also doesn't have as many high spots and botches like Sasha. She is making up for her inability to wrestle with dangerous spots and she is probably on the shelf after the last match she had. Big differences abound

"Inability to wrestle" is unfair.

"Chip on her female shoulder" I think is way closer to what she does. She did really good work in NXT, puts a lot of effort into her WWE matches now (her championship winning one and Summerslam, as recent examples), and looks way better with most of her moves then at least half of the ladies roster.

I think just think she wants to show that she's as tough as everyone else (if not tougher) and maybe goes a little overboard.
 

Apdiddy

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Huh, I guess its very likely that Lesnar legitimately busted open Orton. If so, he needs to get REALLY punished for that, jesus. There should be a rematch and Orton should win. We got cheated out of a dream match because Lesnar went too far on his elbows.

If Orton agrees to wrestle another match with Lesnar.

Lesnar broke one of the cardinal rules of wrestling with his unprofessional behavior.
 

Kusagari

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Most male wrestlers don't attempt the insane shit Sasha has tried recently.

You have to prove that you're safe doing stuff like that over time and Sasha(and the other females as well) haven't.
 

PreFire

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Haven't watched wrestling in years, and while most of the show was meh, that AJ styles vs Cena fight was amazing. Great performers.. AJ looked like he was landing real closed fists lol

Man that woman's title fight. So many botches... That reversal almost ended her career.. Tbh, a razors edge from up there would've done some damage too

And did Brock forget he was in a scripted fight, blacked out then proceeded to hit Randy with MMA elbow strikes?
 

Heroman

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Most male wrestlers don't attempt the insane shit Sasha has tried recently.

You have to prove that you're safe doing stuff like that over time and Sasha(and the other females as well) haven't.

Like said in the main thread, Sahsa just doesn't have the talent or the partners to do those spots.
 

OnPoint

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And did Brock forget he was in a scripted fight, blacked out then proceeded to hit Randy with MMA elbow strikes?

Yes. We're through the looking glass. Wrestling, possibly just in this instance, is real. Orton is sure to press charges and Brock is sure to be fired and land in jail.
 

Tall4Life

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I think the Roman match being so late was meant as a palette cleanser after the title matches to kind of "reset" before Orton/Lesnar, as they probably expected it to go long. I mean, after all, there wasn't even a match with Rusev/Reigns. It would also give credibility to the ending of Orton/Lesnar not being a work.
 

Ithil

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Haven't watched wrestling in years, and while most of the show was meh, that AJ styles vs Cena fight was amazing. Great performers.. AJ looked like he was landing real closed fists lol

Man that woman's title fight. So many botches... That reversal almost ended her career.. Tbh, a razors edge from up there would've done some damage too

And did Brock forget he was in a scripted fight, blacked out then proceeded to hit Randy with MMA elbow strikes?

The elbow strikes were deliberate, to open up Orton for the ending spot. Blading is banned for being barbaric, so they have an MMA heavyweight hit you with stiff elbows to do it instead.
 

Heroman

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Haven't watched wrestling in years, and while most of the show was meh, that AJ styles vs Cena fight was amazing. Great performers.. AJ looked like he was landing real closed fists lol

Man that woman's title fight. So many botches... That reversal almost ended her career.. Tbh, a razors edge from up there would've done some damage too

And did Brock forget he was in a scripted fight, blacked out then proceeded to hit Randy with MMA elbow strikes?
You do know that was a work right?
 

Ithil

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I don't know how you can look at the laceration and think that's a bladejob.

It wasn't a bladejob, but it was intentional. I doubt Brock intended to lacerate him to that degree, but it's not an exact science for "hit a guy with elbows to open him up hard way".
 

PreFire

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Must suck knowing before the match you're going to have that big lethal weapon hit you with an elbow that might crack your skull a little.

Kevin Nash posted on Twitter saying it wasn't a blade job..

it was obviously part of the plan, otherwise he wouldn't have F5'd Shane (unless he told him to somehow)

All I know is that gash is real. That shit is gonna leave a mark
 

Kusagari

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It's obvious that it was intentional to some degree. What's also obvious is it wasn't intended for the gash to be so insane. But that's what can happen when you try this shit.
 

Tall4Life

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Must suck knowing before the match you're going to have that big lethal weapon hit you with an elbow that might crack your skull a little.

Kevin Nash posted on Twitter saying it wasn't a blade job..

it was obviously part of the plan, otherwise he wouldn't have F5'd Shane (unless he told him to somehow)

All I know is that gash is real. That shit is gonna leave a mark

F5'ing Shane could have been an audible. They do that from time to time, like Vince coming out at Royal Rumble 2005 and making them restart. F5'ing Shane would've made the crowd feel a bit better after that ending.
 

Chamber

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I still think a company being taken to court about concussions doing that spot is fucking insane.

Really, I'm just upset Seff can't do his Curb Stomp.
 

Heroman

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I don't know how you can look at the laceration and think that's a bladejob.



But they didn't even wrestle. It was essentially a filler segment meant to prep the crowd for Orton/Lesnar.
They wanted blood but since they can't blade they had to di it hard way
 

Lan Dong Mik

And why would I want them?
just saw the botch by charlotte wtf was he thinking jesus

fuckin insane, i have no idea why she would just drop her. Banks wasn't expecting that shit from what I can see.

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There's alot if people hating on it, but I thought that was a decent Summerslam despite the awkward pacing and the long runtime. It was a bad idea to have the final two matches go the way they did and expect to send the crowd home happy. I have no problem with the way the matches were booked by themselves, but they shouldn't have put them back to back and as show closers. Much of the crowd energy was sucked out after the Styles/Cena match, but I don't know what else they expected from a six hour event. As for the matches themselves...

12 man tag - seemed like a way to get everyone on the show, I'm liking the inclusion of so many tag teams though, but I dread the introduction of another tag title.

Zayn/Neville vs Dudley's - Zayn and Neville are a fun team, but their talents should be placed elsewhere. I would like to see Bubba Rat as a midcard heel as well.

Cesaro vs Sheamus - many people in this thread were calling it a snoozefest, but I dug it alot. These two work well together and I'm excited for the rest of the series.

Enzo/Cass vs JeriKo - I've come down quite a bit on Enzo and Cass. They've shown that aside from their usual prematch banter that their promo skills leave a bit to be desired, especially with the shitty gay jokes as of late. JeriKO are probably the most entertaining duo on the roster.

Charlotte vs Sasha - they've had some good matches but haven't come close to their NXT work IMO. Charlotte has potential to be incredible, but she still can't make it through a night without fucking something up. Sasha needs to relax and tone down her style a bit.

Miz vs Creed - Miz is doing the best work of his career right now. It was also the right decision to have him go over. Crews impressed me as well, if he can work on his character/promos he might just have a future.

AJ vs Cena - MOTN! Yes, it was the usual WWE/Cena big move match, but it was smooth and well executed. Great pacing as well.

The Club vs New Day - I like both teams, but meh. The Stewart inclusion was awkward, and I kind of forgot that this match even happened until I looked at the card results.

Ambrose vs Ziggler - sigh, what a bummer of a match. Ambrose has a good character but his ring work is a chore to watch. Ziggler is Ziggler, he's technically sound but has never really done it for me. It's a shame considering how well done the build up was.

Smackdown women's tag - I appreciate the time allowed for this match to happen. However, it was poorly put together and Carmella is just not ready for the main roster. The decision to feature her for the majority of the match is mind boggling. Naomi needs to change her offense, I believe someone in here referred to it as assfense. Those kicks of hers will never not crack me up. I'm glad Nikki is back though, she was a highlight.

Rollins vs Balor - the crowd was very fatigued at this point, and they highjacked the match with the hatred towards the new belt (it deserves it, but still). The match was fine, but I expected better. Balor is getting alot of shit from this forum, but I believe the quality of his matches are really going to depend on who he is facing off against. Creative is also doing their damnedest to ruin the demon gimmick.

Reigns vs Rusev - umm...I really dug it. I was bitching about this matches place on the card, but it really worked out as a brawl. More of this kind of Reigns and less comedian on the microphone please.

Orton vs Lesnar - Brock comes away looking like the monster he should. I know many people are tired of him and are pissed about the test results, but I still believe his monster persona is one of the best in the biz.

Overall, odd match placement and an exhausting runtime. I'm fairly happy with the event though.
 
I'm just watching that gif and can't figure out what went wrong with Charlotte... I don't see a leg slip or anything. Maybe she forgot which spot they were doing?
 

Apdiddy

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It is all a part of the plan to hate how "unsafe and unmotivated" Lesnar is so when King Roman faces Brock, people will be rooting for Roman to win.

I won't be rooting for Roman. I just think Lesnar needs to be out of the WWE completely.

There's a way to do "this guy is an animal and completely unstoppable!" without having him actually hurting guys he's in the ring with. Lesnar supposedly knows how to wrestle safely and if he chooses not to, the WWE has to protect their own guys.

Knowing what I've seen of Vince McMahon, his own performers' safety is not important to him.
 

MG310

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fuckin insane, i have no idea why she would just drop her. Banks wasn't expecting that shit from what I can see.

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I guess the intention was to have her arm/head and legs hit the ropes at the same time so she would just fold in half when she hit them and fall straight down.

Even the most successful version probably would have been ugly.
 
fuckin insane, i have no idea why she would just drop her. Banks wasn't expecting that shit from what I can see.

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I really just don't understand what she was even trying to do there. Like, what is she even trying to set up? She just straight up picks her up in a carry and it's like...where do you even go from there? I feel like there had to be some type of miscommunication between the two there, because it really doesn't make any sense.
 

LiQuid!

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F5'ing Shane could have been an audible. They do that from time to time, like Vince coming out at Royal Rumble 2005 and making them restart. F5'ing Shane would've made the crowd feel a bit better after that ending.

God damn what a mark
 
I won't be rooting for Roman. I just think Lesnar needs to be out of the WWE completely.

There's a way to do "this guy is an animal and completely unstoppable!" without having him actually hurting guys he's in the ring with. Lesnar supposedly knows how to wrestle safely and if he chooses not to, the WWE has to protect their own guys.

Knowing what I've seen of Vince McMahon, his own performers' safety is not important to him.

I mean, honestly, what needs to happen is that someone needs to have a real stiff match with Lesnar, give him a good working over, to send a message to him that he needs to work right. Of course, that's probably not going to happen, since Lesnar is a legit beast outside the ring and a lot of people are probably afraid that he'll retaliate for real backstage, and I'm sure there's fear there will be some kind of political blowback since Vince seems obsessed with making Brock this unstoppable bullshit force or whatever.
 
why was she so nonchalant dropping her like that lol

like he had to step back for a min

In real time it sort of looks like she was losing her balance, and a lot of times your first instinct when you are about to fall is to drop whatever you are carrying in case you need your hands free to brace your fall. Not sure what the spot was supposed to be though. A Razor Ramon style fallaway slam?
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I mean, honestly, what needs to happen is that someone needs to have a real stiff match with Lesnar, give him a good working over, to send a message to him that he needs to work right. Of course, that's probably not going to happen, since Lesnar is a legit beast outside the ring and a lot of people are probably afraid that he'll retaliate for real backstage, and I'm sure there's fear there will be some kind of political blowback since Vince seems obsessed with making Brock this unstoppable bullshit force or whatever.

You make it sound like Brock improvised and went in business for himself last night. Lesnar is actually a pretty safe worker.
 
I think her plan was to jump back and throw Sasha to the mat while landing on her feet.

Even that would be dangerous. Sasha wouldn't be able to really brace herself like in a regular worked fall, it's just be a short, quick drop right on her back. I feel like there had to have been some kind of miscommunication between them. Like Sasha told her to pick up her, and she misunderstood, but by the time Sasha tried to correct Charlotte she was losing her balance and dropped her? I guess that sounds way too amateurish to be correct, but something wasn't right with the set up there.
 
You make it sound like Brock improvised and went in business for himself last night. Lesnar is actually a pretty safe worker.

I know last night was work, that was obvious, but I thought current Brock has been said to be really stiff since his return? I know he broke Cena's nose on accident, and weren't there several noticeable blotches in the Undertaker matches? I could be wrong, though, or read things that were wrong. If he's working properly, then what I said would be retracted.
 

Lan Dong Mik

And why would I want them?
In real time it sort of looks like she was losing her balance, and a lot of times your first instinct when you are about to fall is to drop whatever you are carrying in case you need your hands free to brace your fall. Not sure what the spot was supposed to be though. A Razor Ramon style fallaway slam?
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ah i can see that actually. that might look pretty fucking good if done correctly. dangerous spot though regardless.
 

Gorillaz

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In real time it sort of looks like she was losing her balance, and a lot of times your first instinct when you are about to fall is to drop whatever you are carrying in case you need your hands free to brace your fall. Not sure what the spot was supposed to be though. A Razor Ramon style fallaway slam?
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It looked like an unnecessary spot to begin with but even worse with that botch
 
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