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[Lights and Waves]

I hope the success of this film gets Sony to put those spin offs in the MCU. I NEED Venom against Spidey done right.

Then I need them to team up and fight Carnage together.

Holland is so young. There's easily six films here.

 

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Anybody who thinks what Marisa Tomei is wearing in this film makes her less attractive is insane. She's still hot. You don't have to be dressed like a model to be fine, what is this?

If you still think she's attractive in Homecoming, that is fine. The costuming, makeup, and cinematography surrounding her in Homecoming are simply not as flattering as they were in Civil War. I don't know whether that is intentional or just oversight. I'm sure plenty of YouTubers will do scene-by-scene comparisons.

 

[Jtrizzy]

Where was the scene from the trailers and commercials where Iron Man is flying beside Spidey while swinging? Did I miss that? I was hoping to get some action with them kicking ass together.

 

[MugiwaraCole]

If you still think she's attractive in Homecoming, that is fine. The costuming, makeup, and cinematography surrounding her in Homecoming are simply not as flattering as they were in Civil War. I don't know whether that is intentional or just oversight. I'm sure plenty of YouTubers will do scene-by-scene comparisons.

"Here's this hot woman in some nice clothes! Here's the same hot woman in some not as nice clothes…still hot though!"

What the…

Where was the scene from the trailers and commercials where Iron Man is flying beside Spidey while swinging? Did I miss that? I was hoping to get some action with them kicking ass together.

It wasn't in the movie.

Again, I laugh at everyone that thought he'd be some huge presence in the movie. My theory was that clip would be the final one before the credits rolled, with them flying off to stop some robbery that commenced while they were making up.

It wasn't even in the movie. It was just made for the trailers. "Iron Man 4" my ass.

 

[Mister Wilhelm]

It was way too hard to see what was going on during the action scenes. I can barely remember any of them.

That being said, the plot itself and the characters were fantastic. The comedic fat friend sidekick was a bit too typical, but I'll give it a pass.

I wasn't 100% sold on Holland until the scene where he has to clear the rubble and free himself. What an amazing job he did with that one. Really defined the end of his "origin" arc where now he has become Spider-Man rather than just calling himself that.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

One of my favourite MJ moments was when she hit the bell at the decathlon and the camera just pushes in while she looks completely indifferent to everything going on and then delivers the winning answer.

I dunno why I liked that as much as I did but I though everything about it just worked.

And then her answer was zero. It just fed the moody, nihilistic vibe they gave her for much of the film. And I loved it.

 

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"Here's this hot woman in some nice clothes! Here's the same hot woman in some not as nice clothes…still hot though!"

What the…

"The costuming, makeup, and cinematography surrounding her in Homecoming are simply not as flattering as they were in Civil War."

A lot of pain and effort goes into making someone look good on film. It's not simply a matter of the same person in different clothes.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Kinda found it funny they slapped glasses on May like.."Done! She's old now!"

 

[MugiwaraCole]

"This new Spider-Man is annoying. He doesn't shut up."

Imagine complaining that Spider-Man is acting like Spider-Man. Whew. It's begun.

 

[Callibretto]

I hope the success of this film gets Sony to put those spin offs in the MCU. I NEED Venom against Spidey done right.

Then I need them to team up and fight Carnage together.

Holland is so young. There's easily six films here.

Holland did have 6 film contract. 2 solo spiderman movie with sony, 3 appearance with marvel studio (civil war and 2 avengers) and 1 unknown movie, could be 3rd spiderman solo movie to make a complete trilogy.

And my undestanding with venom spinoff etc is that they are in mcu universe but only like netflix, so you probably wont see venom interact with avengers character.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

"This new Spider-Man is annoying. He doesn't shut up."

Imagine complaining that Spider-Man is acting like Spider-Man. Whew. It's begun.

Not reading post at the moment. Is that REALLY being said in here? LMAO

 

[Lights and Waves]

Holland did have 6 film contract. 2 solo spiderman movie with sony, 3 appearance with marvel studio (civil war and 2 avengers) and 1 unknown movie, could be 3rd spiderman solo movie to make a complete trilogy.

And my undestanding with venom spinoff etc is that they are in mcu universe but only like netflix, so you probably wont see venom interact with avengers character.

I'd love two trilogies. High school and college.

 

[MugiwaraCole]

Not reading post at the moment. Is that REALLY being said in here? LMAO

Nah, not in here, it was a tweet on my TL. Ugh.

"The costuming, makeup, and cinematography surrounding her in Homecoming are simply not as flattering as they were in Civil War."

A lot of pain and effort goes into making someone look good on film. It's not simply a matter of the same person in different clothes.

She still looks better than good, guy. To everybody. But you, I guess.

 

[More_Badass]

"The costuming, makeup, and cinematography surrounding her in Homecoming are simply not as flattering as they were in Civil War.".

She was in Civil War for like 30 seconds, if even that much. What drastic cinematography shift are you talking about?

 

[Laws00]

I thought the movie was decent.

The last 30 minutes of the movie to me were the best. It just made me go OMG WOW

Shit went Zero to One-Hundred real quick.

 

[Mumei]

What was the prior feat?

I was thinking of something like his easily catching the Winter Soldier's punch and turning his arm, or that video where he catches a car flying at him.

 

[Einchy]

Nah, not in here, it was a tweet on my TL. Ugh.



She still looks better than good, guy. To everybody. But you, I guess.

Yeah, I gotta say that I don't get how she was portrayed as 'homely" in Homecoming when compared to Civil War. She had more makeup in Civil War and had a more fancy hairdo, but Homecoming makes it a point to show how attractive she is, it's not like she's in a movie where glasses = ugly.

I was thinking of something like his easily catching the Winter Soldier's punch and turning his arm, or that video where he catches a car flying at him.

I would argue that lifting a concrete roof from off your back is a much more impressive feat than what he did in Civil War or prior to that scene in Homecoming.

 

[Gunslinger]

Just saw it great movie but still not the best Spiderman movie. Spiderman 1 & 2 still better. I can't decide who the best Spiderman is between Toby and Tom.

 

[kitschbeam]

Tom>Toby>>>>>>>>Andrew Garfield

btw Spiderman Homecoming is great, but Sam Raimi's Spiderman will always have a special place in my heart

 

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I wasn't one of those people that jeered about how this movie was going to be "Iron Man 4 Featuring Spider-Man," but the ever-presence of Tony was kind of off-putting. I thought that Peter seeking Tony's approval was just going to be a frame story....we would see them together at the beginning, and again at the end with Tony saying "God job, kid." Instead we got either Tony or Happy calling in to check on the plot every twenty minutes.

In general I didn't really like how the rest of the Marvel Universe bled into the film. I guess I'm coming off of a string of Marvel movies that don't explicitly refer to other heroes and events (Doctor Strange, GOTG), so here it feels very weird and cringe-y. I don't need to be reminded of the existence of Hulk, Iron Man, Thor so incredibly often. Strangely though, I did like how the Vulture's origin was closely tied to the Battle of New York in The Avengers.

 

[Lights and Waves]

I wasn't one of those people that jeered about how this movie was going to be "Iron Man 4 Featuring Spider-Man," but the ever-presence of Tony was kind of off-putting. I thought that Peter seeking Tony's approval was just going to be a frame story....we would see them together at the beginning, and again at the end with Tony saying "God job, kid." Instead we got either Tony or Happy calling in to check on the plot every twenty minutes.

In general I didn't really like how the rest of the Marvel Universe bled into the film. I guess I'm coming off of a string of Marvel movies that don't explicitly refer to other heroes and events (Doctor Strange, GOTG), so here it feels very weird and cringe-y. I don't need to be reminded of the existence of Hulk, Iron Man, Thor so incredibly often. Strangely though, I did like how the Vulture's origin was closely tied to the Battle of New York in The Avengers.

I agree with this.

By the end, I was like, "WE GET IT. IT'S AN MCU FILM."

 

[MugiwaraCole]

I wasn't one of those people that jeered about how this movie was going to be "Iron Man 4 Featuring Spider-Man," but the ever-presence of Tony was kind of off-putting. I thought that Peter seeking Tony's approval was just going to be a frame story....we would see them together at the beginning, and again at the end with Tony saying "God job, kid." Instead we got either Tony or Happy calling in to check on the plot every twenty minutes.

In general I didn't really like how the rest of the Marvel Universe bled into the film. I guess I'm coming off of a string of Marvel movies that don't explicitly refer to other heroes and events (Doctor Strange, GOTG), so here it feels very weird and cringe-y. I don't need to be reminded of the existence of Hulk, Iron Man, Thor so incredibly often. Strangely though, I did like how the Vulture's origin was closely tied to the Battle of New York in The Avengers.

Doctor Strange had a line that talked about defending the world from spiritual threats while the Avengers handle the physical matters. And then Thor shows up. Whet?

This movie blends into the MCU better than any other movie in the universe and is made all the better for it. Spider-Man was always supposed to be here. Even with all the nods, it's a small, personal Spider-Man movie.

Also, Tony's in the movie for, what, 10 minutes max?

 

[Mumei]

I would argue that lifting a concrete roof from off your back is a much more impressive feat than what he did in Civil War or prior to that scene in Homecoming.

Oh, sure. I agree. I just thought you were asking about things before the Washington Monument scene!

 

[Spinluck]

So what are the odds that they're building up to an MCU Sinister Six? Because Spidey single-handedly taking on a team of villains is something we've never seen in a Spiderman movie. I don't think we've seen that in any of the MCU movies, one hero versus a group of villains.

We already got Vulture, Shocker, a teased Scorpion. That's half the team right there

Keaton was fuckin brilliant.

They paid him for one movie correct?

I don't expect to see him coming back again unless Marvel gives him about boat load of dough.

I'd like to see him again, but the ending made him seem protective of Peter?

 

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She was in Civil War for like 30 seconds, if even that much. What drastic cinematography shift are you talking about?

I'm not a cinematographer or hair/makeup artist, so I can't precisey pinpoint differences. Could be lighting, could be focus, could be composition, or any combination of the aforementioned. Maybe it's just that my main memory of her is from Before the Devil Knows You're Dead, and that was 10+ years ago.

 

[mrjohill]

The scene at the avengers base was really good lol

 

[Einchy]

I'd like to see him again, but the ending made him seem protective of Peter?

Yeah, I think it's because he saved his and his daughter's life. I think he fault he owed him a little, at least enough as to not snitch on him.

Oh, sure. I agree. I just thought you were asking about things before the Washington Monument scene!

Oh gotcha, I misunderstood what you meant.

 

[More_Badass]

In general I didn't really like how the rest of the Marvel Universe bled into the film. I guess I'm coming off of a string of Marvel movies that don't explicitly refer to other heroes and events (Doctor Strange, GOTG), so here it feels very weird and cringe-y. I don't need to be reminded of the existence of Hulk, Iron Man, Thor so incredibly often. Strangely though, I did like how the Vulture's origin was closely tied to the Battle of New York in The Avengers.

I agree with this.

By the end, I was like, "WE GET IT. IT'S AN MCU FILM."

But those references arent there to remind you this is an MCU movie. It's because it's an alternate reality where superheroes and powers have been a part of the world and history for decades. Like the opening credits in Watchmen but with Marvel. Of course people are going to be causally talking about and mentioning heroes and events.

 

[Falchion]

This was the best Marvel movie by the widest of margins. Everything was done perfectly and I absolutely can't wait for the second.

 

[Buckle]

Keaton was fuckin brilliant.

They paid him for one movie correct?

I don't expect to see him coming back again unless Marvel gives him about boat load of dough.

I'd like to see him again, but the ending made him seem protective of Peter?

Really hoping they find a way to rope him back in for Sinister Six.

As the guy hesitantly brought in on the action but ends up redeeming himself and turning on them in the end.

 

[Dysun]

Movie was good, but I didn't love it. Hard to put my finger on any one thing, but I can say that Holland as Peter/Spider-Man is perfect, and Keaton wasn't wasted--he was a definite highlight. Some of the school stuff fell flat for me, as well as the side characters other than Ned and Tony.
I don't think it lived up to Spider-Man 1 and 2, but the landscape of these movies is so different now its not a fair comparison.

 

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Doctor Strange had a line that talked about defending the world from spiritual threats while the Avengers handle the physical matters. And then Thor shows up. Whet?

I thought Doctor Strange had about the right amount of MCU integration.....a brief acknowledgement of a shared universe, and a funny post-credits cameo that leads into a future film.

In Homecoming you have the Avengers masks on the robbers, the girls discussing which Avenger they want to Marry/Fuck/Kill, Peter doing a Thor impression in the candid videos, the Captain America gym videos, a reference about dating Black Widow, the talk about Peter having a room next to Vision in the new Avengers headquarters., the entire subplot about how Stark is moving the Avengers HQ to upstate New York....

And that's before we even get begin to discuss Tony Stark's influence over the entire narrative arc. I don't see how someone could remotely pretend that the rest of the MCU had a remotely similar presence in Doctor Strange.

 

[Aikidoka]

Probably my favorite MCU film - only thing I wasn't too fond of was maybe the whole talking suit thing.

 

[Toothless]

Spider-Man: Homecoming is the first MCU film (or really, superhero film in a while) to really tackle secret identities. The dramatic double lives that used to be synonymous with the genre have all but disappeared in recent years, and this does it better than any superhero movie since the Raimi trilogy. The choice to be Spider-Man weighs down this Peter, and although we never hear the famous line, the struggle of great responsibility is always evident in the film.

This is also the first superhero movie, or even modern blockbuster in general, to really feel like it takes place in a high school. The young cast is ridiculously strong, and it seems as though they plan having a consistent supporting cast in these films, which is truly exciting. Holland proves that his Civil War performance wasn't a fluke, feeling effortlessly like Peter Parker. Keaton elevates the role of Vulture, although he's simply a good villain, nothing great but more than serviceable. The script is its strongest aspect, being effortlessly funny and surprisingly heartfelt in its depictions of young love and awkward high school days.

That's why it's so crushing when the MCU elements come crashing in. Sure, Tony and Peter's dynamic is fun, but it's not worth interrupting Peter's story with fanservice moments or quirky in-jokes from other films. The third act also continues the genre's disappointing streak, being incoherently shot and ridiculously dark in color. It's near impossible to see anything that is going on, and that's just mediocre. Really, there's only one good action scene, and that's the only one that shows us something we've never seen with the character.

The retreaded moments, either from other Spider-Man or MCU films, just hurt so much when they occur, because it seems clear the rest of the film is trying so hard to avoid them. Giacchino's score is also shockingly mediocre, as his theme just feels like he played around a bit with the cartoon's theme and left it at that. More creativity there would've been appreciated.

Spider-Man: Homecoming is a solid entry for the amazing hero in the MCU. A smaller scale and a focus on high school really help makes it stick out of the crowd of superhero movies despite the other generic elements. It's certainly a fun movie though, and one that finally gives Spider-Man his first good movie in over a decade. That, more than anything else, makes it well worth seeing.

Other notes:

- I appreciated what came off as references to the games of Spider-Man 2 (the park with absolutely nothing to swing on and Peter saying it sucked) and Spider-Man 3 (Splat)
Vulture being Liz's dad is the best thing in the movie, and the reveal is done perfectly.
- Only really great action scene is Spidey chasing after the van in the residential area.
- Giacchino pulling a Rogue One and making the main theme a simple deviation of the classic Spider-Man theme was hella disappointing
- Fuck them for pulling a John Blake with the MJ reveal.
- That post-credits scene is STELLAR

 

[Bronx-Man]

So yeah, a fire alarm went off during my showing of this. Kinda frazzled. I'll post more when I get home. For now, random very thoughts:


Very authentic adding a bodega cat for once.

This movie makes me wish I actually went to HS in New York.

Ned is funny but fuuuuuuuuuuck Marvel for taking Miles Morales' cast away from him.

"Aren't you gonna step inside?" "I'd rather not celebrate a place built by slaves." Yeah, I can tell this is gonna be my favorite MJ on film.

How the fuck did this movie have an invisible jet but Wonder Woman didn't?

Oh hey, Space Age Love Song by A Flock of Seagulls! Love that track.

Tony & Pepper are getting married! The slowest build of all finally gets paid off.

 

[JigglesBunny]

Hopping in here to say the MJ bit was well done, the Scorpion tease was great and Michael is perfect casting and this is easily my favorite Spidey flick, edging out SM2. Already have tickets for round two and three.

 

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That's why it's so crushing when the MCU elements come crashing in. Sure, Tony and Peter's dynamic is fun, but it's not worth interrupting Peter's story with fanservice moments or quirky in-jokes from other films.

I think you probably voiced this better in two sentences than I could have in the hundreds of words I've written. RDJ/Tony Stark is already in the movie, so I don't understand why there are so many frequent and unnecessary attempts to remind us that this new Spider-Man is in the MCU. Especially when Homecoming is going to be bookended by both Civil War and Infinity War.

 

[DeviantBoi]

Favorite Spider-Man movie. Yes, Raimi's SM1 and SM2 were special, but Tom and Michael hit it out of tha park.

That scene in the car at the prom... better writing and acting than anything in all of the previous SM movies.

Can't wait to go see it again.

 

[More_Badass]

I thought Doctor Strange had about the right amount of MCU integration.....a brief acknowledgement of a shared universe, and a funny post-credits cameo that leads into a future film.

In Homecoming you have the Avengers masks on the robbers, the girls discussing which Avenger they want to Marry/Fuck/Kill, Peter doing a Thor impression in the candid videos, the Captain America gym videos, a reference about dating Black Widow.....

And that's before we even get begin to discuss Tony Stark's influence over the entire narrative arc.

I dont see the issue. Every other MCU movie, except maybe Antman, is from high up looking down. We're alongside the soldiers and gods and inter-dimensional sorcerers. They're never going to see or hear or talk about that stuff because they're on the frontlines or worrying about saving the world or not getting killed

This is everyday life in that world. Peter is just some kid who grew up watching Iron Man fly past in the distance from his bedroom window, learned about Cap and Hydra in his history books, and cited a Bruce Banner research paper for his science class essay. If we have inspirational posters with movie characters, cosplay as favorite characters, causally drop pop culture references and lines in conversation, why wouldn't people in this world do the same with the heroes that actually exist in their world?

It only feels jarring because we've never seen the MCU from this perspective before.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

Favorite Spider-Man movie. Yes, Raimi's SM1 and SM2 were special, but Tom and Michael hit it out of tha park.

That scene in the car at the prom... better writing and acting than anything in all of the previous SM movies.

Can't wait to go see it again.

Yea that entire ride and the one and one talk was like a showdown between to gunslingers. Really tense.

 

[Buckle]

Was unsure of what their take on Flash was supposed to be.

He's a rival smart guy thats more hip and popular than Peter?

 

[Dalek]

I know I asked this before but does the movie explain why Avengers Tower is being sold? Doesn't Tony have tons of money-why sell it?

 

[Buckle]

I know I asked this before but does the movie explain why Avengers Tower is being sold? Doesn't Tony have tons of money-why sell it?

Avengers Tower is cooler but I'm guessing the idea might be that Tony feels it attracts too much danger in a high civilian population area.

With the new Avengers base seeming more out of the way and isolated.

 

[balgajo]

I dislike most of Marvel movies but this one was really great.

 

[broncobuster]

I know I asked this before but does the movie explain why Avengers Tower is being sold? Doesn't Tony have tons of money-why sell it?

Maybe Tony's a good dude who doesn't want a giant target in Manhattan.

Speaking of which, this movie was ripe for JJJ to call Spider-Man a menace. Kid kept causing destruction everywhere he went.

 

[Lights and Waves]

Favorite Spider-Man movie. Yes, Raimi's SM1 and SM2 were special, but Tom and Michael hit it out of tha park.

That scene in the car at the prom... better writing and acting than anything in all of the previous SM movies.

Can't wait to go see it again.

Alright, let's not get crazy now.

 

[Seductivpancakes]

Was unsure of what their take on Flash was supposed to be.

He's a rival smart guy thats more hip and popular than Peter?

He kind of comes off as a bit jealous of Peter and just overall a dick head.

 

[richiek]

I thought Doctor Strange had about the right amount of MCU integration.....a brief acknowledgement of a shared universe, and a funny post-credits cameo that leads into a future film.

In Homecoming you have the Avengers masks on the robbers, the girls discussing which Avenger they want to Marry/Fuck/Kill, Peter doing a Thor impression in the candid videos, the Captain America gym videos, a reference about dating Black Widow, the talk about Peter having a room next to Vision in the new Avengers headquarters., the entire subplot about how Stark is moving the Avengers HQ to upstate New York....

And that's before we even get begin to discuss Tony Stark's influence over the entire narrative arc. I don't see how someone could remotely pretend that the rest of the MCU had a remotely similar presence in Doctor Strange.

Um...

 

[Einchy]

Was unsure of what their take on Flash was supposed to be.

He's a rival smart guy thats more hip and popular than Peter?

Saw an interview where they said they didn't want to do the cliche "big tough bully pushes nerdy kids into locker" thing that has been done to death and doesn't really happen in real life.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I did like that the graffiti on a building in the background early on had Bagley in huge letters.