I hope he was scared for his life. Doesn't feel so nice, does it, you piece of shit?
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Vehicle plows into counter protesters in Charlottesville
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Being fans of killing all jews and gay people with gas chambers, and also crying like babies getting even the slightest of emotional attacks. Incredible but not unprecedented levels of stupidity for the USA. To most outsiders America always looked this stupid.
broncobuster
Banned
"Losers cosplaying losers" is shockingly accurate.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Anytime a nazi shows up, this is what needs to happen.
The fear of a painful death of a mob of people stomping on your face.
The George W. Bush era in particular really got across the message that Americans are dumb as rocks.
And here we are, even worse off.
fluffydelusions
Member
Never heard of this guy but damn that was good lol
Anti-white supremacy rally today in Washington DC
You mean you can have a rally in the US without baseball bats, body armor cosplay, and guns slung over your back? Both sides aren't the same?
Alcotholic
Banned
I'm sure it's been stated many times, but I'm going to put my thoughts in for the sake of writing it somewhere:
We must not compromise with White Supremecists. Their mind is set, they were indoctrinated long ago and they know what they stand for. It's unreasonable to expect them to change their views. In fact, Nazis want to talk and to compromise, because they understand that inching their ideology into the public stage with legitimize their platform and allow for actual reform following their world views. I don't know if violence is the answer. But we must do what we can to shut them out. We must encourage ousting them from what attention they have right now and prevent them from gaining any more strength than they have now.
There is no room for compromise, this is an absolute. Anyone who says otherwise is either flimsy in their beliefs or apathetic or an idiot.
We must not compromise with White Supremecists. Their mind is set, they were indoctrinated long ago and they know what they stand for. It's unreasonable to expect them to change their views. In fact, Nazis want to talk and to compromise, because they understand that inching their ideology into the public stage with legitimize their platform and allow for actual reform following their world views. I don't know if violence is the answer. But we must do what we can to shut them out. We must encourage ousting them from what attention they have right now and prevent them from gaining any more strength than they have now.
There is no room for compromise, this is an absolute. Anyone who says otherwise is either flimsy in their beliefs or apathetic or an idiot.
Thanks I needed a laugh. This guy is great.
Minty_Freshness
Neo Member
Jesus, that picture is gut-wrenching.
Depths of Orion
Member
Germany has the right idea on stamping out these guys.
As someone that was born in Poland and has visited Auschwitz, this is infuriating. How these morons can fall for such stupid conspiracy theories blows my mind.
Because they live on an Island very far away from where it happened and can't wrap their heads around anything bigger than the caravan/trailers that they live in.
fluffydelusions
Member
Can we get him back pls
I found this on Reddit
Titled "No One is Born Racist 1992"
Out of all the things that happened this weekend, that pic is what elicits the most anger out of me as a father with a kid that looks around that age. It's up there with one of the most fucked up things I've ever seen and I hope that innocent kid wasn't completely brainwashed by the parents.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I was out in the woods this weekend so I am just getting caught up. This is abhorrent. I'm at a complete loss of words.
They haven't fallen for anything. It's the nature of hate. They know how serious Auschwitz is, and they know that by belitting it and/or saying "It didn't happen", they inflict pain on the survivors and descendants of the survivors.
I wish I was out in the woods right now. Shit has been hard for me to think about. I'm just in a constant state of anger.
Preach it
I hope these scums are scared for life that they live in the basement the rest of their lives
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I saw a video of the car. This is horrific. I just don't even know what to do right now. I wish I could help.
That image completely debunks the whole "Just wait until the old racists dies" analogy.
As if racism will ever die out, when adults continue to spread their stupid propaganda to the younger generation.
An attack like this has been encouraged by the Republicans for a long time now. They have to own it.
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-04-28/north-carolina-house-votes-to-protect-drivers-who-hit-protesters
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-02-13/common-sense-legislation-would-shield-drivers-who-run-over-protesters
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-04-28/north-carolina-house-votes-to-protect-drivers-who-hit-protesters
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-02-13/common-sense-legislation-would-shield-drivers-who-run-over-protesters
Gordon Shumway
Banned
"Refusing to pick a side is picking their side."
Heh..don't know this cat, but it'd buy him a fucking beer..
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
This is disgusting.
beau_beaumont
Member
As dumb as those laws are, they're intended to protect drivers that are blocked by protestors, not murderers who drive into a crowd.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Right, because Nazism and white supremacy didn't exist until this weekend post-WW2, right? /s
What? Did I claim that or did you invent it out of a lacking counterpoint? I did not even mention Hitler. o.0
No, it was because force and coercion was used to psychologically condition a populace in such a way as to incentivize isolating minority groups via scapegoating. That has nothing to do with what I said though. What I said was that blindly and ignorantly responding with more violence does not help the anti-Neo Nazi movement, it does the exact opposite by making both sides appear to be on equal footing to ignorant audiences who only see the conflict as 'kale eating liberal hippies vs good ole southern boys'.
Those audiences then respond by either ignoring the conflict entirely or they hear the dog whistles from the right and side with them without knowing any better. You need to tip them your way instead. They will not care about your message until you can get the audience to redefine their tribe to include the aggrieved first. THEN they might care. You have an uphill battle in this regard from the outset since most folks in the middle don't have the luxury of being informed on nuanced topics and the right thrives on this ignorance by sewing distrust of academia. Further, statistically most in the middle are already white, lower middle class folks. Right wing messaging naturally caters to the lower/middle class aspect since the alt-right's ideology is built on racial resentment premised on economic fears, so they have their talking points hones to a fine point already. The fact that the audience is mainly white means there are already social/racial bubbles that overlap with the Neo Nazis.
In other words, folks in the middle are ALREADY predisposed to tilt towards the alt-right so long as it can disguise its Neo Nazi foundation. Your (our) side needs to first make the audience in the middle re-draw its tribal boundaries to favor us and make them receptive to our message and THEN they can be positioned to empathize and align their views. By meeting the Neo Nazis with idiotic violence (like some moron randomly punching Spencer in the face), we alienate ppl who we should be easily converting to align with us. Sure, it feels great to see Spencer or his ilk get clobbered, but it feels way worse when the narrative gets turned on its head and suddenly we have to find ways of defending assaulting someone for their expression of free speech.
Historical Case Study: Malcolm X did not 'win' even though he fought physically and violently to defend himself. MLK 'won' by doing the exact opposite because he first conditioned ppl to erase the boundaries in their social circles and re-dreaw them in his favor (by appealing to their religious views) and THEN he offered up reasons for his audience to empathize. If your message is 'our rights are being trampled', then letting audiences see that with their own eyes is all the messaging ya need. If the *other side's message* is 'they are violent anti-American uppity black criminals coming to take something from you', then the approach Malcolm X took is antithetical to his success. Hence we celebrate MLK's birthday and not Malcolm X's. MLK's approval went from mid-teens or low 20's up to above 90% due to his tactics.
Ideological battle rarely has anything to do with convincing the other side. It's a battle over the folks in between that matters. They have little or no ideology and only pay attention briefly so you need to make a good, intelligent first impression. You need to stand back and let the Neo Nazi right alienate them and make sure the audience is conditioned to be receptive to your views. Mindlessly flailing around with more violence does not serve a purpose other than to make you vent and feel better.
Talking to whom? I never suggested we reach out to try convincing Neo Nazis et al that they are wrong. Read first, and then reply please.
Simon Belmont
Banned
Fuck man, I went on vacation last week in 2017 and I'm fairly sure I arrived home in 1945.
This is the kind of thing I knew would start happening when Trump won the election. It's why on election night, when he actually fucking won, it felt like my heart had dropped into my stomach. It was this feeling of impending doom. I was deeply depressed for about a month. Stopped shaving. Stopped giving a fuck.
There were people out there saying "Be hopeful, don't think of the worst. If we try to work with him, maybe things will be ok." I understood the sentiment, but it was also incredibly fucking naive and an uninformed view to take. Anyone who followed the election closely knew that Donald Trump was a simple con man and lifetime bully. And a man who stood for nothing and no one. A man with the critical thinking of a 9 year old. Someone who is genuinely not intelligent. Just completely lacking the mental faculties to be president. Someone who prides himself on treating others with out respect.
I've always expected the worst, but I still grow increasingly angry and disillusioned every time we start spiraling down a new hole for the 3rd time in week. Just eating shit as a nation, while we wait for Mueller to build a strong case, and even then that's not guaranteed.
I hate this.
There were people out there saying "Be hopeful, don't think of the worst. If we try to work with him, maybe things will be ok." I understood the sentiment, but it was also incredibly fucking naive and an uninformed view to take. Anyone who followed the election closely knew that Donald Trump was a simple con man and lifetime bully. And a man who stood for nothing and no one. A man with the critical thinking of a 9 year old. Someone who is genuinely not intelligent. Just completely lacking the mental faculties to be president. Someone who prides himself on treating others with out respect.
I've always expected the worst, but I still grow increasingly angry and disillusioned every time we start spiraling down a new hole for the 3rd time in week. Just eating shit as a nation, while we wait for Mueller to build a strong case, and even then that's not guaranteed.
I hate this.
beau_beaumont
Member
Oh. Ok.
Not condoning the laws at all. I'm just saying that if you drive through a crowd to murder people, these laws aren't going to do shit.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I feel the same way. My stomach has been in knots for the past hour I've been getting caught up.
the-pi-guy
Member
I found this on Reddit
Titled "No One is Born Racist 1992"
Just depressing.
That kid has been taught more racist crap than I can even imagine.
Turning an innocent heart into a monster. So very depressing.
Edited: I don't know what I did.
LilWayneSuckz
Member
That picture is from 1992. They've surely been taught 2+ decades worth of racist crap.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
You need to appeal to the folks who haven't made up their minds yet and who do not recognize the faces of Richard Spencer or David Duke at first glance as societal evils. We need to fix that. The platforms are the same as always; commentary on cable news, in politics, on social media, even various forms of advertisements and other socially-drive campaigns. You do not ever need to legitimize their ideas in order to combat them.
More info from the cop if anyone is interested.
http://onlineathens.com/local-news/...mous-photo-just-wished-he-were-somewhere-else
beau_beaumont
Member
Man, I can't take this world sometimes. It's sad that it takes a tragedy like this to get people to act, but I'm too disillusioned by everything to really believe things will change. The more I think about how something like this could happen, the more I'm reminded that there is serious deep-seated institutional racism that will allow this this sort of shit to keep happening.
beau_beaumont
Member
Unless you've got a good lawyer..
Driving wrecklessly into a crowd of people is a textbook example of depraved heart murder. I'd be more worried about a racist judge to be honest.
theCalamity
Member
I mean it really wasn't recklessly.
GoldenEye 007
Member
Well jury. More than a reasonable chance there will be some racists on the jury that would never vote to convict.
It was a hallmark of the Jim Crow US through the 1960s. And we'll even today - especially when it comes to police convictions.
You'd be surprised how quickly one becomes the other.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
You sure?
beau_beaumont
Member
Good point. But you'd still need the judge to turn a blind eye.
sazzy
Member
dunno if this was posted, but totally valid question to ask:
Mrs. Betty Bowers @BettyBowers
All patriotic Americans want to know: Why didn't James Alex Fields' Christian family and pastor inform authorities of his radicalization?
https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/896555103913730048
Mrs. Betty Bowers @BettyBowers
All patriotic Americans want to know: Why didn't James Alex Fields' Christian family and pastor inform authorities of his radicalization?
https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/896555103913730048
Poor lil guy.
Yes, and we still have more than 3 years to go
Because they are also radical MAGA terrorists.
Never forget.
Anti-white supremacy rally today in Washington DC
Hey I'm in the background there!
From DC's rally near the World War 2 memorial, march to the White House to gather with others to finally march to the only Confederate monument in the city. Finishing with a moment of silence for Heather Heyer. Started from about 500 people and got to a few thousand by the end.
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