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Marvel's The Defenders *SPOILER THREAD* |OT| Super Friends - August 18th on Netflix
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But then what of Iron Fist season 2 which is also a thing?
I was somewhat surprised at how more of a skilled fighter DareDevil was than Danny. I figured Danny would be hands down the best martial art style but there was a clear difference in their skill levels.
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He should be (I guess?) but, well, you know what happened. At least they didn't try to make this IF stronger.
LiveFromKyoto
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It was part of the plot of Civil War.
Daredevil's super power is his mask, which allows for the seamless insertion of a skilled stunt double.
If only Iron Fist had ever worn a mask ever in the entire history of his character ever. Oh well.
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No joke after IF I could almost recognize his stunt double if I found him walking somewhere.
LiveFromKyoto
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Stick says Matt might be the most naturally skilled fighter he's ever seen, he's the son of a boxer, and he has the advantage of his super senses letting him anticipate opponents' moves - he can hear blood pump, muscles tense, tendons twitch, etc. He was trained from an earlier age than Danny by the Chaste, is older, and isn't a hotheaded crazy jackass. I'm totally comfortable with depictions of him being a better fighter, even though "the kung fu guy" is Danny's whole deal. He still has the fist to fall back on.
Yeah I heard him say that, but Danny trained his whole life to become the Iron Fist, out of all the other students of the order. He was the only Westerner to ever become worthy of the title, beating out who knows how many other skilled fighters. It just makes no sense that he's so impulsive and downright dumb at times, let alone such a weak fighter. He gets his ass kicked around by low level grunt fighters that shouldn't even get a punch in on him to begin with. I get the whole immature piece, but there's a reason he was chosen to be the Iron Fist, but I haven't seen it yet. I actually liked season one of his show too.
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Plus, let's face it: Stick was an asshole but an amazing teacher. Those monks had nothing on him.
Heck, didn't Elektra kill everyone? Jobbers, the lot of them, no wonder Danny won.
Heck, didn't Elektra kill everyone? Jobbers, the lot of them, no wonder Danny won.
Yeah I agree Gao was by far the most interesting. She seemed to also be the only one with special abilities too which is somewhat weird.
I'm guessing Electra made it out too, since someone had to drop him near the church or monestery or wherever it was with the nun tending to him.
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Iron Fist wrecking havoc unintentionally while donning Daredevil's suit instead of the madman that Kingpin hired in the comics would be so bad that it's good.
They could blame that on IF being the idiot he is right now. "I was just trying to help Matt, can't you see?"
They could blame that on IF being the idiot he is right now. "I was just trying to help Matt, can't you see?"
I promised myself I would say some good things about Defenders today:
- I like the credits. I really like the Skip Credits button Netflix saw fit to include.
- The shorter 8 episode season format was great. With 8 episodes, you only have 2 episodes left after the Netflix-mandated "Episode 6 Twist Villain Swap", instead of another 6.
- Everyone refers to Danny explicitly as the worst Iron Fist ever, and even makes fun of the way he blurts out his origin story to anyone who pays attention to him for more than 8 seconds.
- Madam Gao is the best. She got her shit together in the 12th century AND ITS BEEN THAT WAY EVER SINCE. She's like evil Asian lady Yoda, except without all the CG flipping around, and more blind heroin mules.
- Electra had this cool sword that split into 2 swords, which reminds me of the sword I got with my He-Man figure. Except that one never really went back together right and kind of warped which is why you'd always use the battle ax with He-Man instead.
- "No, that's shrimp" "That guy has pork"
- I learned a lot about architecture - specifically that you can lock down all access to an entire skyscraper just by BLOCKING ONE STAIRWELL IN THE PARKING GARAGE... ahem, sorry. positive feedback, right....
- They finally pulled the trigger on "disarming" Misty Knight. I look forward to Netflix never doing anything with this development ever.
- I like the credits. I really like the Skip Credits button Netflix saw fit to include.
- The shorter 8 episode season format was great. With 8 episodes, you only have 2 episodes left after the Netflix-mandated "Episode 6 Twist Villain Swap", instead of another 6.
- Everyone refers to Danny explicitly as the worst Iron Fist ever, and even makes fun of the way he blurts out his origin story to anyone who pays attention to him for more than 8 seconds.
- Madam Gao is the best. She got her shit together in the 12th century AND ITS BEEN THAT WAY EVER SINCE. She's like evil Asian lady Yoda, except without all the CG flipping around, and more blind heroin mules.
- Electra had this cool sword that split into 2 swords, which reminds me of the sword I got with my He-Man figure. Except that one never really went back together right and kind of warped which is why you'd always use the battle ax with He-Man instead.
- "No, that's shrimp" "That guy has pork"
- I learned a lot about architecture - specifically that you can lock down all access to an entire skyscraper just by BLOCKING ONE STAIRWELL IN THE PARKING GARAGE... ahem, sorry. positive feedback, right....
- They finally pulled the trigger on "disarming" Misty Knight. I look forward to Netflix never doing anything with this development ever.
shinra-bansho
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On further reflection. This show was pretty ass. The plot, a lot of the writing, cinematography, characters and some of the acting. Ass.
Like, I feel like the only thing that's stopping some people from realising this or letting them purposely overlook that all is they're basically too busy fangasming at the characters on screen together.
It was ultimately both 1) unnecessary and 2) had an unnecessary build up.
Like, I feel like the only thing that's stopping some people from realising this or letting them purposely overlook that all is they're basically too busy fangasming at the characters on screen together.
It was ultimately both 1) unnecessary and 2) had an unnecessary build up.
Daredevil has heighten senses and a better character.
Very true, but heightened senses shouldn't trump Danny's skillset.
I must say I'm spoiled by a lot of anime like HxH and such but there have been very few "hype" moments through out the Netflix Marvel shows. The original hallway fight in DD S1 is probably the hallmark scene, pun intended, of the different Marvel shows. However one of the few moments in the Defenders, far too few if you ask me, was Gao stepping up and whooping some ass. Seeing her doing her whole martial arts force push thing and taking on JJ and Luke Cage by herself was pretty damn bad ass if you ask me.
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I was floored when Matt held himself against two fingers of the Hand by himself.
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It probably would have been if you could actually see anything.
kunonabi
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The sad thing is they could totally have given him the mask as a tribute to his "fallen" comrade. Would have worked really well in that rooftop shot.
Outside of Gao and Bakudo, the others were pretty weak really. I think the wolf Hunter dude could have been a more interesting character, but he didn't get enough time to cook.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Yep. It's literally the bare minimum of what the production had to do. Matt, Jessica, Luke, and Danny on screen together. That's just not enough for me when I can see how lazy the writing, set design, and costuming are. This is legit minimal effort work here.
People kept saying the show got better once they meet up, and I don't see it. Incredibly easy jokes, inconsistent dynamic between the team, and they all just fight the same goons and rarely show off the individuality of their abilities.
It really worries me because they had years to plan this show out. You knew the villain would be The Hand or whatever. They obviously didn't communicate with the other shows cause they basically negated their show cliffhangers to get the characters where they needed to be. And yet, the show still feels like it was patched together hastily.
Yeah I had to laugh with how they hyped him up and then he comes running along the roof tops and smashing through the glass ceiling and gets his ass handed to him in like 30 seconds.
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In practice, yeah, Nobu was an underling and gave Matt way more problems. Bokuto's (and Colleen's, if you think about it) power levels were all over the place though.
Shin K Dash
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I think this just shows you the importance of having one central person like a Kevin Feige who puppeteers all the shows together to make sure everyone is on the same page. While yes it does add frustration if you want to make a Luke Cage or Jessica Jones into your idea but it adds so much to the central universe to make sure the continuity is there across the board. cause it just isn't there with the Marvel Netflix shows.
Why not? Probably would be a better for iron fist.
This Danny sucks though, so again, no thanks.
Duh. I have a million criticisms for this show, but in the end, I enjoyed myself, so... Meh. It being only 8 episodes definitely helped. Also all hail Jessica.
Hype moments throughout the shows:
- DD Hallway fight
- Kingpin cardoor scene
- Gao using the force on DD
- DD S2 Hallway fight
- Punisher hallway fight
- Other DD stuff
- IF chi fist knocking Luke out
- Defenders hallway fight
- Other shit I don't recall
Next one will be "You are the lamest Iron Fist ever"
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Punisher vs Kingpin was hype as fuck. D'Onofrio needs to get back asap.
shinra-bansho
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I forgot about the bland set design and crap costuming. Like maybe the Hand should have actually looked like ninjas?
I mean it was watchable and inoffensive. I guess I "enjoyed" it too enough that I finished it. It wasn't Iron Fist mess level. But it was not a good show by most metrics.
I mean it was watchable and inoffensive. I guess I "enjoyed" it too enough that I finished it. It wasn't Iron Fist mess level. But it was not a good show by most metrics.
peanutbutterlatte
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I've been looking forward to this for two years, and yeah it kind of let me down. Outside of the initial novelty of seeing all the characters together, the plot was so transparent and boring.
Bring on DD Season 3: Born Again.
Bring on DD Season 3: Born Again.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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I forgot this had come out and binge watched it without looking at any reviews. I liked it a lot. Would be okay with a season 2. How the hell did Murdoch make it out? Elektra obviously did too, so how? Shit was already dropping on them when the camera panned out
Pros
- Nice amalgamation of the whole netflix tv series up until this point. Did a nice job of starting "Phase 2" of TV shows. Not as smooth as the Avengers, but very well done nevertheless
- Finally showed how badass Elektra is. This Elektra was good in DD S2 and wiped the stench left by Jennifer Gardner, but this Defenders' Elektra showed how she is a badass mofo, and neither a hero nor a villain
- Jessica Jones' strength. I like how we finally see how strong she really is when she was able to hold the elevator in episode 8
- Iron Fist looking better than in his own show
- My boy Luke Cage still looking smooth as a mofo
- Chemistry among the Defenders. For the most part they had really good chemistry, especially Cage and IF
- DD and Elektra chemistry. Obviously Paige needs to hook up with Foggy because she has no shot here
- I actually liked Colleen Wing and Claire Temple's chemistry
Cons
- Left me wanting it a little more, maybe 10 episodes would have been the sweet spot
- Fight choreography could have been better
- The ending could have been better
- Finn Jones still sucks
- No Punisher cameo
Pros
- Nice amalgamation of the whole netflix tv series up until this point. Did a nice job of starting "Phase 2" of TV shows. Not as smooth as the Avengers, but very well done nevertheless
- Finally showed how badass Elektra is. This Elektra was good in DD S2 and wiped the stench left by Jennifer Gardner, but this Defenders' Elektra showed how she is a badass mofo, and neither a hero nor a villain
- Jessica Jones' strength. I like how we finally see how strong she really is when she was able to hold the elevator in episode 8
- Iron Fist looking better than in his own show
- My boy Luke Cage still looking smooth as a mofo
- Chemistry among the Defenders. For the most part they had really good chemistry, especially Cage and IF
- DD and Elektra chemistry. Obviously Paige needs to hook up with Foggy because she has no shot here
- I actually liked Colleen Wing and Claire Temple's chemistry
Cons
- Left me wanting it a little more, maybe 10 episodes would have been the sweet spot
- Fight choreography could have been better
- The ending could have been better
- Finn Jones still sucks
- No Punisher cameo
Also, for such a heavily hyped superhero team-up show, I was expecting a more ambitious story than simply: "Let's just continue The Hand/Elektra storyline from Daredevil S2"
We just had an entire season of Iron Fist about The Hand.
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In the end, enjoyable but the whole thing eventually became a bit silly. Especially with the Hand just being generally unimpressive, at best. Early in, Iron Fist was doing fairly well, making friends, showed some skills....then gets forcefully sidelined for most of the second half. Can't really blame the actor when the script is actively setting him up to be a naive Iron Fail.
Anyway, after again sabotaging IF, the later episodes were largely carried forward by Daredevil (no surprise) with the others doing solid work. When focus was on Matt and/or Jessica things worked especially well. Elektra/Daredevil was interesting until it just became overstated and overextended in the last episode.
Some episodes will be rewatchable. Basically, as many have noted, the middle episodes as the characters are initially brought together. Some fun stuff there. Does make me want to revisit both Daredevil seasons again though.
Anyway, after again sabotaging IF, the later episodes were largely carried forward by Daredevil (no surprise) with the others doing solid work. When focus was on Matt and/or Jessica things worked especially well. Elektra/Daredevil was interesting until it just became overstated and overextended in the last episode.
Some episodes will be rewatchable. Basically, as many have noted, the middle episodes as the characters are initially brought together. Some fun stuff there. Does make me want to revisit both Daredevil seasons again though.
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Dragon bone marrow.
Ok I thought that was the case but wasn't sure. Another question was what the hell the Hand's plan was outside of getting more of "the substance"? They kept mentioning wanting to go home but never really seemed to be actively attempting that despite going on about it several times through out the season.
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The "going home" thing is something I did not fully comprehend. I thought that there would be a portal there, that only the Iron Fist could activate, so that they could go home. But what good is the bone marrow for going home? Letting them become immortal so they can wait another 10 years for the next portal to open?
Seriously?
shinra-bansho
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They want to go back to K'un-Lun. I don't remember if they explain this as being different from the city where everyone's dead? For a while I thought that they were going to use the IF to open a door to another dimension or something. Not break through some literal rocks which are apparently the only way to access a large dragon skeleton beneath ordinary Manhattan stuck in some dirt.
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I remember them replying to Danny with "that's just what you wanted to see / your perception" about K'un Lun being destroyed.
C'mon, how the fuck does that makes any sense? He saw an illusion of K'un Lun destroyed because he abandoned it... but Elektra confirmed that she killed everyone?
C'mon, how the fuck does that makes any sense? He saw an illusion of K'un Lun destroyed because he abandoned it... but Elektra confirmed that she killed everyone?
The other thing that really seemed barely thought out was the whole destruction of NYC thing. I guess it was because of the digging the Hand had done to reach the Dragon graveyard but that made no sense considering what they did wasn't exactly a huge deal considering the honeycomb of sewers, train tunnels and other things under NYC already. Not only that but I love how blowing everything up somehow solved the whole giant sink hole thing the Hand had created.
That's what I thought too, that the door was a second entrance to Kun-Lun, as the other entrance was no longer accessible. The substance being fossilized bone marrow from the Dragon seemed kinda cool, but they had the chance to show the others that Danny's dragon was real and they didn't walk 10 more feet to see it. Seemed like a missed opportunity
peanutbutterlatte
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The hole reveal was totally underwhelming. I was expecting The Beast of the hand. What we got was vague and confusing.
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90% of these shows after DDS1.