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[vareon]

For the new page for 50 pagers.

Is that the main character...talking?

 

[StreetsAhead]

 

[StreetsAhead]

Kofukimushi = Scatterbug

Kofuurai = Spewpa

Shishiko = Litleo

Furabebe = Flabébé

New Pokemon!

EDIT: Sorry for the double post, ya'll aren't posting fast enough.

 

[DigitalOp]

It will be interesting looking at the new official type chart. Hope every thing truly is balanced for the better..

Hordes sounds awesome but I really hope they do something with them.... Is it too much to ask for a Squirtle Gang Cameo? Lol!

I bet you aren't gonna fight 5 Steelix's though

 

[StreetsAhead]

Special Pokemon-Amie artwork:

 

[Exterminieren]

The rivals are Shauna...

Tierno...

Trevor...

and Calem/ Serena, who is the opposite gendered-protagonist without the hat.

You get roller-skates in Santalune City.

 

[DigitalOp]

ughh those rivals suck ass.

 

[NeonZ]

For the new page for 50 pagers.

Is that the main character...talking?

It seems like both male and female mains start together, but only the chosen character has a hat by default. So, that seems to be the npc version of the male main.

 

[IceDoesntHelp]

terribly designed rivals..smh

 

[Antiwhippy]

Yeah, not feeling the rivals at all.

Tierno seems ok I guess.

 

[ColtraineGF]

That Pokemon-Amie artwork...

Snorlax trying to eat male trainer :3

AAH THE DIGLETT HOLDING A BALL OF STRING

Too cute!

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I do miss Blue and Silver. Not even from a nostalgia perspective, but because I need someone to hate. When you got to the E4 in RBY, there was a massive motivation to beat your rival because the dude was a massive ass. Compare this to Wally. I felt guilty for beating Wally.

EDIT: Also why do we have so many rivals? This is starting to feel slightly Sonic-and-friendsish. We didn't need more than Tails and Knuckles, damnit.

 

[Boss Doggie]

ughh those rivals suck ass.

Your opposite gender is also your rival. You actually have 4 now.

Also how could you guys hate chubby dancer?!

I do miss Blue and Silver. Not even from a nostalgia perspective, but because I need someone to hate. When you got to the E4 in RBY, there was a massive motivation to beat your rival because the dude was a massive ass. Compare this to Wally. I felt guilty for beating Wally.

Thing is, their douchebag-ness doesn't make sense at all since you always beat them.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Thing is, their douchebag-ness doesn't make sense at all since you always beat them.

Doesn't matter. Yugi always beat Kaiba, Goku always beat Vegeta, Ash usually beat Gary, etc. As long as a) they are massive jerks, and b) they're at least challenging, they're doing their job. When they're some kid suffering from asthma whose team is like 15 levels below yours, something has gone dramatically wrong.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Doesn't matter. Yugi always beat Kaiba, Goku always beat Vegeta, Ash usually beat Gary, etc. As long as a) they are massive jerks, and b) they're at least challenging, they're doing their job. When they're some kid suffering from asthma whose team is like 15 levels below yours, something has gone dramatically wrong.

Oh I'm not saying Wally is good. Good god no, Wally is terrible.

And those characters actually tend to be laughable at best, felt like they were compensating for something (especially Kaiba) - Vegeta at least got married.

I honestly think Barry and Cheren are great rivals. They may be friendly but they are also competitive.

 

[Antiwhippy]

I liked the arc of wally.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

And those characters actually tend to be laughable at best, felt like they were compensating for something (especially Kaiba) - Vegeta at least got married.

I honestly think Barry and Cheren are great rivals. They may be friendly but they are also competitive.

I don't want them to be friendly, damnit. Why would I want them to be friendly? I don't want to beat a friend, there's no fun in that. I want to crush my rivals, see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Also still no sign of professor or mom, and Trevor looks like he's wearing school uniform.

Dorms confirmed?

I don't want them to be friendly, damnit. Why would I want them to be friendly? I don't want to beat a friend, there's no fun in that. I want to crush my rivals, see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

Who's saying you can't do that to your friends? Why not be that yandere?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Who's saying you can't do that to your friends? Why not be that yandere?

No mo' moe, yo.

 

[Espada]

I don't want them to be friendly, damnit. Why would I want them to be friendly? I don't want to beat a friend, there's no fun in that. I want to crush my rivals, see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

Eh, Barry, Cheren, and Hugh were better than Gary and Silver. You don't need the rival to be an abrasive asshat to have a good competitor.

Also still no sign of professor or mom, and Trevor looks like he's wearing school uniform.

Dorms confirmed?

From what I'm seeing there it seems like Trevor's the one who gives you the Pokedex, rather than the regional professor. What's this about dorms?

 

[Deleted member 231381]

You don't need the rival to be an abrasive asshat to have a good competitor.

I disagree. I just didn't really feel any motivation to beat them. Abrasive asshatness is what made Blue and Silver so good.

 

[Boss Doggie]

From what I'm seeing there it seems like Trevor's the one who gives you the Pokedex, rather than the regional professor. What's this about dorms?

The whole "everyone is nearby" feel. It's like dorms, and you only see like two buildings.

I disagree. I just didn't really feel any motivation to beat them. Abrasive asshatness is what made Blue and Silver so good.

But there really wasn't substance in their abrasiveness either. If anything, you'd expect them to be weaker because "they don't know how to treat their mons well". At the very least, Cheren feels "more threatening" since he has the balance of knowing "the power of friendship" and at the same time the drive of Blue/Green.

 

[joetachi]

I disagree. I just didn't really feel any motivation to beat them. Abrasive asshatness is what made Blue and Silver so good.

But Silver is absolutly terrible he doesnt even acknowledge he lost to you

 

[Deleted member 231381]

But there really wasn't substance in their abrasiveness either. If anything, you'd expect them to be weaker because "they don't know how to treat their mons well". At the very least, Cheren feels "more threatening" since he has the balance of knowing "the power of friendship" and at the same time the drive of Blue/Green.

Eh. Was never really one for "power of friendship" stuff in either myself or my antagonists. As far as I remember, I created a ruthless eugenics programme whereby Pokemon with poor genetics were released and the remainder left in captivity until they finally produced Ubermensch offspring, who were then pumped full of drugs until they could take no more and given a sugary steroid to accelerate their growth. The process was finished off by using them as bait and switch material for my strongmen to instill the battle experience that results from true terror, with the finished product forced to repeatedly destroy the hopes, dreams and ambitions of Frontier challengers and unfortunate WiFi competitors. I don't recall friendship coming into it much, so if Blue and Silver missed out on it can't say it fusses me.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Eh. Was never really one for "power of friendship" stuff in either myself or my antagonists. As far as I remember, I created a ruthless eugenics programme whereby Pokemon with poor genetics were released and the remainder left in captivity until they finally produced Ubermensch offspring, who were then pumped full of drugs until they could take no more and given a sugary steroid to accelerate their growth. The process was finished off by using them as bait and switch material for my strongmen to instill the battle experience that results from true terror, with the finished product forced to repeatedly destroy the hopes, dreams and ambitions of Frontier challengers and unfortunate WiFi competitors. I don't recall friendship coming into it much, so if Blue and Silver missed out on it can't say it fusses me.

Well, you were going for character debate (abrasive etc.) so I went with that, without involving in-game mechanics

 

[JoeM86]

Seriously, having four "rivals" is the best thing they have ever done in quite a while

 

[ColtraineGF]

Widening your group of peers is an interesting move. I wanna see if there's some Five-Man Band sort of scenarios that arise from this arrangement.

The Leader: You (male nickname: X-Meister )
The Lancer: Calem/Serena
The Smart Guy: Trevor
The Big Guy: Tierno
The Chick: Shauna

 

[Qurupeke]

Litleo is so good!

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Well, you were going for character debate (abrasive etc.) so I went with that, without involving in-game mechanics

Well, really, I want two things out of my rivals. The first is that they have to provide me motivation for beating them, which is a "story" element so to speak. The second is that they are at least moderately difficult to beat, which is a "game" element. Cheren having "the power of friendship" doesn't actually make him more difficult to beat even though it should do story-wise, and it actively reduces my motivation to beat him. That's probably a better way of explaining it.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Seriously, having four "rivals" is the best thing they have ever done in quite a while

Why?

EDIT: Whoops, double-post. Sorry!

 

[JoeM86]

Why?

EDIT: Whoops, double-post. Sorry!

It adds variety. It brings a sense of camaraderie which has never been present within the games

 

[Boss Doggie]

Well, really, I want two things out of my rivals. The first is that they have to provide me motivation for beating them, which is a "story" element so to speak. The second is that they are at least moderately difficult to beat, which is a "game" element. Cheren having "the power of friendship" doesn't actually make him more difficult to beat even though it should do story-wise, and it actively reduces my motivation to beat him. That's probably a better way of explaining it.

In BW the one you want to beat is N. Cheren and Bianca are more like your foils. I am one of the people who see N as a straight archetypical rival used in the games alongside Cheren and Bianca.

Why?

Rival is really a strange term in Pokemon. Rivalry just means you guys are competing on a singular goal, but that doesn't mean you outright hate each other, but sadly Green, Gary, and Silver ruined the term.

Hell, I like how they expanded BW's rivals for this gen. Each one of your friends have their own goals to fulfill while at the same time wanting to beat an aspect of you.

 

[Espada]

I disagree. I just didn't really feel any motivation to beat them. Abrasive asshatness is what made Blue and Silver so good.

Let's just agree to disagree.

The whole "everyone is nearby" feel. It's like dorms, and you only see like two buildings.

Ah, okay. This will make for an interesting dynamic, though I hope they space the encounters out properly. It'd be annoying being harassed by a rival every other screen.

But there really wasn't substance in their abrasiveness either. If anything, you'd expect them to be weaker because "they don't know how to treat their mons well". At the very least, Cheren feels "more threatening" since he has the balance of knowing "the power of friendship" and at the same time the drive of Blue/Green.

X&Y would be a great place to have a rival who tries to train like Blue and Silver, only to have the weakest pokemon of the group. Pokemon-Amie and the in-universe implications set this up nicely.

 

[SlowRevolution]

they should have a rival who's nice at first but who turns into an asshole when you keep beating him. Like the opposite of the one from the second-gen games.

 

[Refyref]

Ugh, this talk about "hating" rivals again. No, single-dimensioned harmless jerks don't make for good rivals.

Anyway, I like the feeling this is giving, having a larger cast. I really liked how B/W had a few permanent characters in the story, and that B2/W2 increased that.

Also, it seems as the main characters' names are indeed Xavier/Yevonne, but if you don't select them, they are Calem/Serena.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Oh and Trevor is a student, so that's one too.

Also, changeable nicknames huh? Chespin-meister!

Btw, the post showing rivals didn't put their goals.

Shauna - an energetic girl who is eager to discover her own dreams. But she's also genuinely curious about her friends' progress in their travels!

Tierno - burly and nimble, and his goal is to create a dance team with his Pokémon! He pays close attention to Pokémon when they battle to see he if he can incorporate their actions into new dance moves.

Trevor - his goal is to be the first of the group to complete his Pokédex. He's a great student, bursting with curiosity, but he admits that he has much to learn to become a great Trainer.

Serena/Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor.

So Serena/Calem is your straightforward rival, the rest are part of your gang.

Also, it seems as the main characters' names are indeed Xavier/Yevonne, but if you don't select them, they are Calem/Serena.

Huh? No, it's Calem/Serena. Xavier/Yvonne is a placeholder name for the demos it seem.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

In BW the one you want to beat is N. Cheren and Bianca are more like your foils. I am one of the people who see N as a straight archetypical rival used in the games alongside Cheren and Bianca.

Rival is really a strange term in Pokemon. Rivalry just means you guys are competing on a singular goal, but that doesn't mean you outright hate each other, but sadly Green, Gary, and Silver ruined the term.

Hell, I like how they expanded BW's rivals for this gen. Each one of your friends have their own goals to fulfill while at the same time wanting to beat an aspect of you.

N wasn't a very good "rival" either, though. He's bit wet and weedy about things. I get what you're saying, though. I'm guessing you know HunterxHunter because I can see you totally liking Hisoka, so the way I see it is that Cheren and Bianca are the Killua to the player's Gon, but as well as wanting to be better than the Killua, we also need that bastard we totally want to beat, the Hisoka. After all, Gon wouldn't really enjoy trying to fight Killua seriously. In training or as a test of each other's abilities, sure, but in a life and death situation it just wouldn't be very satisfying or thrilling to have Gon go up against Killua. That's what a Hisoka is needed for - that ultimate confrontation. Lately, Pokemon has had some pretty decent Killuas such as Cheren, but we haven't had a really good Hisoka in ages.

 

[Boss Doggie]

N is... a hippie.

 

[Kokonoe]

Yeah, I preferred Gary as the rival since it gave me motivation to really kick him to curb with his doucheness.
Don't really care personally for best buddy rivals.

 

[Refyref]

It also seems that other than Calem/Serena, who are your neighbor, this is the first time you meet the rest.

Huh? No, it's Calem/Serena. Xavier/Yvonne is a placeholder name for the demos it seem.

Like I said, it seems like their default names ARE Xavier/Yevonne when they are the PC, but if they are the rival, it's Calem/Serena.

Yeah, I preferred Gary as the rival since it gave me motivation to really kick him to curb with his doucheness.
Don't really care personally for best buddy rivals.

He was as douchey as a rock.

 

[Boss Doggie]

It's what the player used.

I think you don't get what I am referring to. Default "canon" name is Calem/Serena. The Xavier there is used by the player playing the game being shown in the screenshot, but not the "canon" name. Think of Brendan/May.

Yeah, I preferred Gary as the rival since it gave me motivation to really kick him to curb with his doucheness.
Don't really care personally for best buddy rivals.

But his douchebag doesn't make sense.

Also... Gary? Hahahahah!

 

[zroid]

ahh man, this looks so great ;-;


also, fire lion! awesome!

 

[Deleted member 13876]

I miss asshole rivals.

 

[Refyref]

I think you don't get what I am referring to. Default "canon" name is Calem/Serena. The Xavier there is used by the player playing the game being shown in the screenshot, but not the "canon" name. Think of Brendan/May.

I don't think it's gonna be like Brendan/May, and their canon name depends on the position, but whatever.

I miss asshole rivals.

I don't.

 

[Boss Doggie]

I don't think it's gonna be like Brendan/May, and their canon name depends on the position, but whatever.

I'm confused :S

Also it looks like rollerblades = free movement. Heh. I wonder if this means no encounters while rollerblading.

 

[Partition]

Seriously, having four "rivals" is the best thing they have ever done in quite a while

No not really, it kind of loses the meaning of a "rival" and it's starting to more feel like Sonic & Friends. Actually BW felt that way too. Rivals/=/friends, GF. Wasn't the dude in GS a thief for godsake?

 

[Boss Doggie]

No not really, it kind of loses the meaning of a "rival" and it's starting to more feel like Sonic & Friends. Actually BW felt that way too. Rival/=/friends, Nintendo. Wasn't the dude in GS a thief for godsake?

And rivals =/= douchebag. You can have many rivals especially when you are competing for different aspects while still being friends. In BW you have 3 rivals, and only 1 actually prevailed at the end while the others peter out.

Also people are now saying that the table scene is similar to Persona. Hahahahaha!

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Maybe I just prefer not crushing a terminally ill kid's dreams in my Pokemon games.

 

[Refyref]

No not really, it kind of loses the meaning of a "rival" and it's starting to more feel like Sonic & Friends. Actually BW felt that way too. Rival/=/friends, Nintendo. Wasn't the dude in GS a thief for godsake?

Rival
Noun
A person or thing competing with another for the same objective or for superiority in the same field of activity.

Rivals are usually friends competing in the same field.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

And rivals =/= douchebag. You can have many rivals especially when you are competing for different aspects while still being friends. In BW you have 3 rivals, and only 1 actually prevailed at the end while the others peter out.

That's not a good thing. Nobody wants a game full of Yamchas.