I'm pretty sure my post acknowledged all of this in a sarcastic manner.
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FIFA warns Mexico over fans' anti-gay chant at Confederations Cup
- Thread starter Skellig Gra
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I'm pretty sure my post acknowledged all of this in a sarcastic manner.
I dunno why you intend to be so antagonic of mexico over this, but you gotta understand a few things:
-People in here are acknowledging that the chant is wrong
-People are acknowledging that the use of the word can be homophobic
-Despite that, people are contextualizing the chant, not excusing it, but putting cultural context
-Fifa is right to demand people to stop the chant
-Fifa is wrong to contextualize it as a homophobic chant
-Fifa is being EXTREMELY hypocritical to try to frame the penalty against mexico as trying to be gay friendly when the upcoming world cup and the next after it were awarded to 2 incredibly homophobic countries where the government is routinely killing people for being gay
-As a mexican i have always been ashamed about that behavior by soccer fans, but im also bothered by Fifa's gigantic hypocrisy.
In the dictionary, "maricón" and "marica" officially mean "faggot".
They are not gonna stop since the overwhelming majority don't see the word as homophobic and they also don't care.
Also this. It's just stupid.
Red Liquorice
Member
Faggot means a couple of things, but what do you think it means when someone calls it another person? Now what do you think they are chanting puto for in this case? It means one of the many other unrelated things you claim ir does - or it's an insult to the other team/players? If it's insult, then what is that insult usually - it's either a gay slur or a sexist slur (or both) or racial because that's the moronic culture of teamsports, especially football.
Come on, we're just at the very beginning of wiping out this shit from sports. We still have black players having banana skins thrown at them for fuck sake. No one expects this to be stamped out over night, but you have start doing something to show people that it's not OK and never was.
Skellig Gra
Member
I'm only talking about people who are excusing it.
Ninja Scooter
Member
There's some hilarious irony about them trying to enforce this at a tournament held in Russia.
Insulting and taunting goalkeepers as they kick the ball is incredibly common pretty much everywhere.
There won't be any gays to insult since Qatari officials told us to stay home ! (they frankly didn't even need to tell me)
FIFA's own president joked about how gay people should probably "refrain from sexual activity" while there.
They don't give a shit as long as it gets money in their pockets.
chicken_pasta
Banned
I'm pretty sure I meant to quote somebody else, sorry about that lol
Yeah, pretty much this. We know the word is an insult, but we disagree that the chant it's done as an homophobic attack. And that's that, most of us wish that people at stadiums stops using the chants.
Red Liquorice
Member
This is the same old excuse people have used forever when defending the use of phrases like "that is so gay!" -- "It's not an insult, it's just words, they're not ACTUALLY saying that thing is gay blah, blah, blah" - No, they are just saying something is bad/garbage/useless/shit/pathetic and the way they are communicating that is to compare it to homosexual men (mostly). This has been explained a million times, don't use "culture" as an excuse.
Thanks for this. We have very similar words here in french and straight people also try to defend their use all the time by saying "it has several meanings!" when in fact it just associates being gay with pejorative words.
They're FIFA, they could do anything they want. It'll just be meaningless fines and maybe a couple of games without supporters though.
I don't think pelotudo/a is related to pelos (hair), it's from pelota (ball) same as boludo (bola/ball). Your point still stands.
In a match if the ref hears it he will warn the fans, if he hears it again he will stop the game until the fans calm down, third time the ref can stop the match for good and just leave.
Electric Eye
Banned
Its for sure going to get louder by FIFA focusing in on this chant and making fans aware of what others believe they mean by it, "faggot", instead "asshole", "dickhead", they are now going to get louder and nastier with the chant. They opened up and even bigger can of worms.
Alex_Mexico
Member
I find it incredibly ironic and disingenuous that FIFA is scolding us for the use of what they consider a homophobic slur while holding a tournament in RUSSIA!
I mean c'mon! I'm not defending Mexican fans here but FIFA's such a joke!
I mean c'mon! I'm not defending Mexican fans here but FIFA's such a joke!
And_Gignac
Member
Haha nope. NOPE. Is anti gay. And that's precisely why these micro machitos are using it. They know exactly what the word entails. They just happen to be majorly heterosexual so they think they get to decide what the word means, even when most them know PUTO is always related to its "homosexual" connotations. "You are a coward because you sleep with men, you are a jackass because you sleep with men".
Puto means homosexual. End of it. Maybe you don't get it because you don't get yelled "pinche puto" while walking on the streets holding hands with your partner.
Electric Eye
Banned
I think they know there is heat on them for choosing some real shitty countries to hold the tournaments in and so they want to look like they are doing something about it so pick on Mexico rather than the Host country that's kidnapping and killing gay men.
Basically this is why Mexico GAF is bothered about the whole issue.
The chant is undeniably wrong, but we see fucking Russia and Qatar and our instant reaction is "hey WTF, what gives?!"
Undoubtedly. I do blame Molotov for making the word usage spread more than it would have organically.
So what? That FIFA is a hypocritical corrupt cesspool does not make it not an issue. Fix it instead of going but what about them?
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
- Do not allow any Mexican organized fan clubs to get in any sanctioned game worldwide for x amount of games (i.e the US has the American Outlaws that follow the US around, I'm sure there are similar groups that follow the MX team)
- Anybody, or group of people, caught chanting racist/homophobic crap in the games and/or throwing bottles and piss at players get thrown out immediately and receive a ban from future games for x amount of games
- No official or friendly games at Azteca or Mexico for a year. Mexico would play its WC qualifying games in the US with the same two rules above still in place.
I think that would go a long way towards changing and removing that trend.
But that's the point, Mexico should stop, i never liked the chant myself.
But how the fuck will mexicans who like to shout it take fifa seriously if Fifa fucking does not care about Russia and Quatar literally killing gay people?
Ideally, Mexico would get the disqualified the fuck out of the world cup and neither Russia nor Qatar would host it.
I think that sanctioning the Mexican team will do little to dissuade people from chanting puto. I mean, you just get swept up by the atmosphere and you end up using it too. I know I have.
Mexicans spend so much money into everything futbol related that I'm sure that's why FIFA is often willing to turn the other way and are happy to simply keep giving out warnings.
Now, if you did something that actually interrupted the game every time they say it, like a 2 minute timeout or give the opposing team a free kick or something... Mexicans would change their ways and never utter the word again lol
but that aint gonna happen :x
Mexicans spend so much money into everything futbol related that I'm sure that's why FIFA is often willing to turn the other way and are happy to simply keep giving out warnings.
Now, if you did something that actually interrupted the game every time they say it, like a 2 minute timeout or give the opposing team a free kick or something... Mexicans would change their ways and never utter the word again lol
but that aint gonna happen :x
What kind of excuse is this ? I've been a season ticket holder at my club for about 20 years and I've never chanted homophobic or racist slurs, I must be doing things wrong.
Gay people must feel really comfortable coming to your team's games.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
That would certainly fix it. Other people are right though, FIFA would have to stop being corrupt first.
After sanctions, people will definitely be more careful because if it starts again, you get sanctioned again. People wanna go to soccer matches, taking that away from them will make them, and you as you have admitted, behave.
True, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to correct any wrongs
If mexico got disqualified for it, you bet yer rump people will stop saying it.
There would be an outrage at first, followed by a millionaire campaing on tv by local teams to stamp out the chant and constant remainders that mexico was and could again be disqualified for it.
Astral Dog
Member
Mexico is very homophobic, at least things are slowly getting slightly better here with the rise of the internet
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
And "die" means "the" in german. What's your point?
Astral Dog
Member
Puto means something like faggot when its used on a guy other wise its Joto
AcademicSaucer
Member
Is ironic that they are doing that while the games are being played in a country with "anti-gay propaganda" laws and the next one is in fucking Qatar of all places. You just know FIFA really cares about being welcoming to gay people
See I didn't know the word had homophobic meanings. For us, growing up it basically meant asshole. The homophobic slurs have already been mentioned in this thread. If it's being used in that context, then yeah, strike it down. But it seems disingenuous to say the word only has one meaning when it seems to be regional.
RocknRola
Member
Point being that having watched the game, I didn't even make the connection. Being Portuguese and all.
Apologies if my post somehow angered you. Just thought it was a curious thing, nothing else.
They care, they just care about money above all else.
It's really weird to witness, like Homosexuality is significantly more accepted now, but like people still talk with all the homophobic slurs.
So you get weird things like a few years ago when my very openly gay boss used the word indiscriminately as if it was nothing.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
Banned
It didn't anger me. I just thought you were downplaying the homophobic chant because puto means something different in Portugal than it does in Mexico.
RocknRola
Member
That's the one used in Portugal too. The League gets a looooooooooooooooooooooooottttttttt of money just on fines from that. Since they're cumulative, by the end of the season just for that single chant clubes can be paying upwards of 20k per game. Then you add all the other stuff that may or may not happen.
Alas, they never do anything other than that to stop it either (closed door matches, for example, are reserved for more "serious" things, like physical violence of some type).
AcademicSaucer
Member
They dont really care then.