Girls were the 'bigger person' here, but even if they ultimately chose to sit out, you can just imagine how they really felt. I mean imagine having your coach pull you out and you think it's because you're playing too rough, when in reality, it's solely because unless you sit out, because you're a girl, the other team is going to forfeit because they don't want to play with you. They shouldn't have been in that position. The fact the girls coach even pulled them out and gave them that ultimatum/decision, probably also was an indicator he wanted the points/goals.
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Girl players on soccer team leave game after complaint by Muslim coach of boys' team
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Zabby
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It's baffling the way you fabricate gender equality in sports despite of the way humans are genetically built. Because of this simple reason, I would avoid heavy hits.
That doesn't mean, however, that I would send women to the bench because I can't touch them. Thet's stupid. And a dumb excuse to get a few points through forfeit, apparently. That's a dick move.
Circle Jerk
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I'm not an expert on Islamic sects in America, but I mean the way I think of it is to relate to Christian sects. Look how many extreme, insane Christian offshoots exist in this country. Shit the Duggars Quiverfull cult offshoot has been in the news lately, for example.
This country just allows any old belief to thrive
This is in Canada tho.
You can't ask people to compromise their morals, you can only expect them to not force said morals on others. That's what the team from the Muslim school did. They can't morally play against the team with women on it so they offered two options and the two women on the team chose the option better for their team instead of the one better for them.
EDIT: Basically, I agree with Hav on this. Stand up for your players, Coach.
EDIT: Basically, I agree with Hav on this. Stand up for your players, Coach.
The point is not actually any different - Canada also allows religious liberty.
Zabby said:
Women don't need you to protect them from the choices they make. It simply shows profound disrespect for their intelligent decision making. It's fine if you want to stick to that, but it's beyond insulting.
FriedConsole
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Man we have to go to Canada now to find "hey look at these dumb religious people who are totally insinfcant" news. I am sure there is something good old American for GAF to report.
I'm not an expert on Islamic sects in America, but I mean the way I think of it is to relate to Christian sects. Look how many extreme, insane Christian offshoots exist in this country. Shit the Duggars Quiverfull cult offshoot has been in the news lately, for example.
This country just allows any old belief to thrive
waddayamean 'this country'?
Canada and America both allow religious liberty to thrive. There's nuanced differences, but the end result is numerous religious sects exist that are on the full spectrum, from the very liberal to the extremists.
Sequence Six
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Why read an article when there are assumptions to be made
If you don't like the thread, don't post. Take your whining elsewhere. Not all of GAF is American, and not every topic needs to be something that only is relevant to American-GAF, I often post on things that I come across, that are relevant and foster discussion that isn't necessarily games related.
GrandHarrier
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The Islamic team should be officially sanctioned or something for unsportsmanlike behavior.
I'm not an expert on Islamic sects in America, but I mean the way I think of it is to relate to Christian sects. Look how many extreme, insane Christian offshoots exist in this country. Shit the Duggars Quiverfull cult offshoot has been in the news lately, for example.
This country just allows any old belief to thrive
Yeah, I get ya. I just wanted to comment on the situation from a personal level is all.
LostCaress
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Islamic team should've been forced to forfeit, then expelled from the league. Team with girls would not advance in the tournament, and that's unfortunate, but don't allow discrimination to happen just so you can win a football tournament (even if it was a choice by the girls)
That's what I'm thinking. Those girls were probably bodying the other team and they decided to be all "Um..uh...religious beliefs!"
Gender rights ALWAYS trump religious rights. The conservative men/sects of the Abrahamaic faiths are assholes.
Ok gotcha. Shit lol. If I were the coach from that game forward the 2 ladies could get as much playing time as they want. Talk about taking one for the team.
Not pretty, but essentially this.
EDIT: Yet again, people fail to actually read the OP. The muslim team did offer to forfeit.
Zabby
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I'd rather disrispect someone's - intelligent - choices than break their bones by landing on their genetically weaker body with a frontal blow.
It works on a case by case basis: I would probably show restraint on a 45 kg guy too, but women are usually weaker than men.
HarryKS
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Dude, nothing you're saying applies on the pitch when a tackle goes in. Nothing. You're like the guy talking about the gameplan for a fight until he gets hit by a hard punch.
Talking about equality and going with it is one thing. Playing is different. It's not a matter of disrespect towards women, it's simply that co-ed football and same sex football do not have the same intensity. It's strange to think that it's so hard to imagine that a guy doesn't want to play as intensely as he would against women as he would against men. There is a level of adjustment. No one is lacking respect for their choices, just saying it's really not the same dynamics on the pitch.
If you've played or play football, you'd know that the least enjoyable matches for people who have put some time in the sport are matches against or with pre-teens and co-ed.
Are you playing soccer or what? Genetically weaker body, what the fuck are you saying? So short males shouldn't be allowed to play soccer because ot their "genetically weaker body"? Get the fuck out of here with this sexist shit.
Yo you aren't going to break a woman's bones by landing on her, dude
do you even understand physics or how bones work
a woman exerts more force on her bones jumping than a guy falling on her
Keep playing like they were during the first half of the game.
Aizu_Itsuko
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At this point, the referee should have told the coach that mixed teams were allowed and if his team refused to play the other team would automatically win. If he persists, the game ends, the other team wins.
Keep playing the game WITH the girls in. It's in the school athletic association constitution that teams can have girls when there is no team or league of their own to join, pending they try out. They should've known this.
Also, folks, the girls weren't some dainty little girls. They tried out and made the team, even over other boys. Pretty sure they can take some slide tackles from high school boys, and were just as likely to do the same back.
Zabby
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Then please explain to me what's the reason for the existence of gender-specific competitions.
Still, you're failing to see the point.
So demand that others compromise their, admittedly crappy, moral beliefs for a sport.
Because that's certainly a reasonable demand.
Circle Jerk
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crazyrabbits
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Sounds like this is more the fault of a hardline coach than anything else. I know of ISNA - hell, I went and covered a major event they were holding a few years back. It was a multicultural festival and everything - lots of male and female students who didn't attend the school normally. I don't understand why they would have a problem with a mixed-gender team.
killer rin
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Someone needs to go kick this coach off the field, maybe slap some sense into him. I'm sorry, I don't care what your religion is, being sexist is not acceptable in this country.
Clearly to prevent fat dudes from falling on the dainty women and breaking their feminine bones.
No, but when you voluntarily join an athletic association, you agree to abide by all rules set forth, and one of the rules includes that if there is no girls team, they CAN try out for the boys team. Now it's likely they didn't expect to see girls on the boys team for a Senior team. But come on, you've already played the first half. Plus, where does the line get drawn? You admit yourself the beliefs are morally crappy, so why embolden or allow them? The world didn't end because they got slide tackled or played against girls no?
Oh please. The team offered to do the reasonable thing and forfeit the match, even though the reasoning behind the decision was pretty crappy. You can't possibly believe the way to go here would be to force them to play? How would you even do that?
How were they breaking any rules? They offered to take the L. Theres two sides to this debate. The moral aspect of the muslim team's beliefs AND the way they've handled the case when they've felt their morals were (for lack of a better word) "undermined". We're all in agreeance over the former, but the way the latter was handled was the best possible outcome in my opinion. What else do you propose they do?
Circle Jerk
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If they forfeited, the team with the girls wouldnt have been able to go forward in their tournament. This is mentioned both in the article and multiple times in this thread. Forfeiting is no where near the "reasonable" thing to do, especially when you had no issue playing the first half.
Well this seems to be the best way to tackle the problems that this particular team faces
Yes, they should leave the association. No disagreeance there. At the moment though, what else could they have done?
The team could have forfeited for any other number of reasons, and the girls still wouldnt be able to go forward. The option to forfeit is there. I don't see how utilizing it suddenly becomes unreasonable.
1. They abided by the rules. Unless you can show me a rule that they aren't allowed to forfeit.
2. I draw the line at forcing your beliefs upon others.But it cuts both ways. They were willing to take the penalty for their beliefs. You can't MAKE them play.
You'd be saying the same thing as I am if the team willing to forfeit had reasons for not wanting to play members of the opposing team that matched your beliefs, would you not?
The difference between our points of view is that I don't have to see value in another's beliefs to value their right to hold them. As long as they don't force them on others.
Well forfeiture is never a good thing. It's a waste of time and money and negatively impacts both teams as well as the league/venue/tournaments.
I do agree if they don't feel like they can play the best option is to leave the athletic association, but that just cements these 'moral beliefs' going forward, and would negatively impact the muslim school whose athletes will be denied a chance to play against all the major regional high schools. This isn't just withdrawing from soccer, but all basketball, volleyball, and any athletics.
So question becomes, can you tolerate playing with girls on a soccer field for 90 minutes, or risk having no teams to play any sports against.
Mammoth Jones
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Agreed. If your faith prevents you from engaging in secular sports then either form your own league where those rules can be enforced (good luck) or take that L and withdraw.
you thought right. nice try though.
Interceptor
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"Please withdraw the girls." "Why?" "Because an ancient Warlord told us woman are evil and worth only half a man. Their presence is sexually arousing and it's their fault for showing themselfes."
Sounds like a bad comedy.
Sounds like a bad comedy.
Shining Sunshine
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