NullPointer
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Fair enough. :lolRobert Ashley said:
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rollingstart
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GhaleonQ said:
I don't how the others feel about the segment, and I would agree that the guy wasn't really in a condition to make the point he wanted to make, but I think it could have been handled better. To be fair, there were times there that Robert tried to ease it down or outright change the subject and the guy wouldn't take to it. Even when the bonerz talk came up, the guy didn't really get a hint about what was going on. Still, it could have been handled better.
Having gone to Catholic school and having had that argument in its many forms a million times, yes, I'd agree, you stop debating after you've clearly delineated why the other person is wrong. If they continue to say the same thing, then that's that. On the flipside of that coin, if I were to laugh loudly and contagiously after every word the person said and shout random garbage (such as "bonerz," but perhaps "carapace" or even "Puccini"), I would hope people would (rightly) consider me a douche.GhaleonQ said:
And, of course, I understand the dude was wasted, and I'm not even talking about the argument he was putting forth on the one particular question you're referencing. Just the whole, "LOL 50 CENT LOL KUROSAWA!!!" crap. That wasn't entertaining.
He probably would have passed out after he made his stupid two sentence point anyway.
GhaleonQ
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Y2Kev said:
So, then Patrick asked why he played games before they tried to draw emotion from agency. Scottish guy said that we play them because they have the potential to make us do that (1. stupid 2. He's contradicted himself.). Patrick pushed back and asked him to answer the question. Scottish guy ignored him and changed his answer to, "escapism" (He's contradicted himself.) Robert said that some video games are traditional games (Peggle). Scottish guy said that the mechanics can help us understand life (1. nonsense 2. He's contradicted himself.). Then, he turns "why we play games" into a plea to designers for meaningful gameplay mechanics. Robert says they're off base. Scottish guy crows about independent games (Remember, we're talking about "Why we play games.").
They gave him 7 minutes. First, read that and tell me if he's made any argument (much less one worth discussing). Second, did it make any sense to you?
Then, they go a little off-the-rails, but then give him ANOTHER chance after he rants about how games ARE THE SUPREME MODE OF HUMAN EXPRESSION. Robert and Patrick point out that he's done nothing to prove their merit as of March, 2009. It wasn't Patrick and Robert who brought up Bad Boys 2, mind you. It was them who intelligently discussed the actual topic around 56:00. In 2 minutes, Patrick accurately summarize the emotional part of games and Robert argued what I think, which is that games can be sports (fighting/shoot-'em-ups/sports), puzzles (puzzle/graphic adventure), traditional games (most of them), simulations (sims/life games), or narrative experiences designed to evoke emotion in traditional ways. 2 minutes. Scottish guy completely gets Robert's point wrong and Robert mocks him. Podcast segment over.
Linkzg said:
Like...ignoring him and repeating the arguments we've heard 100 times before in 2 minutes? They did that.
I already said I'm not concerned with the substance of his argument on this particular point. If the host thought he was behaving in an objectionable fashion, he should have been removed quickly and that would be that. That's why I think you're seeing the negative reactions to what happened.
I mean, as you wrote before, you'd stop debating someone. But, from the perspective of more than one or two people, it just sounded like a flogging. Which granted some people deserve. Maybe not for entertainment's sake.
I mean, as you wrote before, you'd stop debating someone. But, from the perspective of more than one or two people, it just sounded like a flogging. Which granted some people deserve. Maybe not for entertainment's sake.
GhaleonQ
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colinp said:
Which I enjoy! He has good taste, too.
Y2Kev said:
The meltdown was for 7 minutes of a 20-minute segment (in a HUGE overall session). Perhaps people should stop treating Kumar like a child who needs a chaperone to prevent him from wetting himself. Verbally wetting himself, you see. METAPHORS. THINK ABOUT IT. RATHER.
Y2Kev said:
Sorry, this was like podcast slapstick. Hearing someone's slurred voice yelling, "INDEPENDENT GAMES!" en route to meltdown is W.C. Fields-level stuff. Mocking drunk people is why alcohol exists. When even drunk people are mocking your logical and (at times) syntactic incoherence, your first reaction should be to laugh, not to break out the sackcloth and ashes.
Yeah, no offense, but the debate here as to how he was treated is about as lame as the segment itself. Like I said, it's pretty easy to see both sides if you (1) detach yourself a bit, and (2) have been around drunk people before acting serious and spouting nonsense. Listening to him spout the same, inane rubbish was not an enjoyable experience for me. And I'm doubting that, but for the fact that the record button was pressed, any of the other guys would have even bothered to debate someone quite obviously 3/4 of the way down on his trip underneath the table.
Y2Kev nailed it: Garnett should have either yanked the guy much sooner, or not released this segment at all.
EDIT: Sorry, this was like podcast slapstick. Hearing someone's slurred voice yelling, "INDEPENDENT GAMES!" en route to meltdown is W.C. Fields-level stuff. Mocking drunk people is why alcohol exists. When even drunk people are mocking your logical and (at times) syntactic incoherence, your first reaction should be to laugh, not to break out the sackcloth and ashes.
I enjoy your posts here on the forums, but jesus, you sound like such a fucking wallflower. How in the hell is listening to other people ridicule other drunk people, in any way, enjoyable? I want to be the motherfucker ridiculing the drunk guy! Shit, I might even want to the be the drunk guy getting ridiculed! But listening to it?
No thanks.
Y2Kev nailed it: Garnett should have either yanked the guy much sooner, or not released this segment at all.
EDIT: Sorry, this was like podcast slapstick. Hearing someone's slurred voice yelling, "INDEPENDENT GAMES!" en route to meltdown is W.C. Fields-level stuff. Mocking drunk people is why alcohol exists. When even drunk people are mocking your logical and (at times) syntactic incoherence, your first reaction should be to laugh, not to break out the sackcloth and ashes.
I enjoy your posts here on the forums, but jesus, you sound like such a fucking wallflower. How in the hell is listening to other people ridicule other drunk people, in any way, enjoyable? I want to be the motherfucker ridiculing the drunk guy! Shit, I might even want to the be the drunk guy getting ridiculed! But listening to it?
No thanks.
rollingstart
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GhaleonQ said:
You act as if the guy was completely sober and acting the way he was.
No, but Y2kev seems to understand.
Y2Kev said:
Well, for me, around 10-12 years is kinda "recent". I'm 30.
not to say that RPGs weren't trying for epic experiences before then but it seems that people only responded en masse to big epic story driven games around the time 3D became common.
and, to put it plainly, more often than not, games have failed to really provide epic emotional connections via storytelling because of immature writing, characters and tech limitations.
edit:
I remember mentioning a while back that 1up yours/ listen up is better when the people on mic are not completely wasted. buzzed, not blasted.
And while I got a few laughs from the 2nd half of last night's show, I still think it would have been better if the guests (all of them, inc. exxy and ashley) had been less wasted.
I really hope these podcasts do away with these drunken shenanigan episodes. it's just too ridiculous.
GhaleonQ
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Guys, bad news. This is going to be really tough to watch. I know that you all don't like being bystanders when self-serious, oblivious, and hapless people get shot down. Buffoonery is no laughing matter, after all.
http://tinyurl.com/c4oa4r
Tragic. Why didn't someone try to stop him from entering the building?! I'm out of here.
http://tinyurl.com/c4oa4r
Tragic. Why didn't someone try to stop him from entering the building?! I'm out of here.
Y2Kev said:
Exactly.
I couldn't care less about the actual argument at hand. What infuriated me was the irony of it all. Like I have said previously. Kicking a dude off the podcast after laughing and mocking him, not allowing him to get a full sentence out. Then straight after talking about how awesome everyone is and how awesome the show is because they listen to everyone and share ideas. That was just pure shit.
Then also with his attempted points that games can give you strong emotional reactions. Laughed at and mocked once more. Then a few minutes after Klepek talking about how he felt bad for running people over in GTA and how strongly he felt about that.
I'm of the solid belief this segment should have stayed on the cutting room floor. The world would have been a better place for not hearing it.
Broseybrose
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perfect. :lolmik said:
Zombie James
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I thought the second half was hilarious, especially the guy with the thick accent :lol
Jesus, people need to stop taking podcasts so seriously. Its not a big deal that the guy was wasted on the podcast. Its not a big deal that they mocked him for being wasted on the podcast. The show will be back next week, hopefully we can put this terrible and unsettling experience behind us till then guys.
Speak for yourself dude. My time is valuable to me, and if I download a podcast with expectations of a certain level of quality, I don't like having those expectations betrayed.Calcaneus said:
Admittedly things calmed down a lot once they switched mics (I wasn't that far when I posted), but still. I don't buy the "it's just a podcast" argument.
DevelopmentArrested
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cant believe they got bobito on the podcast only to waste him with that drunken douche.
first segment was great though. victor lucas was a good guest.
first segment was great though. victor lucas was a good guest.
Doesn't sound like the second segment gets any better :/ I'll still finish it, but I find it weird that these specials were such a revelation (seriously, even though they've frequently been off-topic, they've been great to listen to) and then this segment is somehow worse (so far) than the previous clusterfuck-in-a-room shows.
Doesn't help that everyone sounds incredibly drunk. I agree that it sounds like more "drunk ribbing" than malice, but nothing so far is particularly amusing, although I'm sure it was hilarious if you were there and loaded
Doesn't help that everyone sounds incredibly drunk. I agree that it sounds like more "drunk ribbing" than malice, but nothing so far is particularly amusing, although I'm sure it was hilarious if you were there and loaded
Dead Man Typing
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No one in here ever gotten drunk with a Scottish person before?
The problem was that he wasn't answering the question being asked, in a direct way. He was trying to formulate a complex and interesting answer, but he was doing it in such a round-a-bout way that the rest of the crew wasn't following him. Every time they interrupted him he had to start his point from the beginning because he was too smashed to remember where he was.
Perfectly reasonable drunk behaviour from everybody in my opinion. Whether it should have been broadcast or not is debatable, but I enjoyed it, so I'm glad they did.
The problem was that he wasn't answering the question being asked, in a direct way. He was trying to formulate a complex and interesting answer, but he was doing it in such a round-a-bout way that the rest of the crew wasn't following him. Every time they interrupted him he had to start his point from the beginning because he was too smashed to remember where he was.
Perfectly reasonable drunk behaviour from everybody in my opinion. Whether it should have been broadcast or not is debatable, but I enjoyed it, so I'm glad they did.
Dr Bad Dude PHD
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What this guy saysdaycru said:
john tv said:
Can we get this reply stickied so that we can point peeps to it every time they resort to the illogical "it's free!" or "stop taking it so seriously!" nonsense?
EDIT: And just so I'm not completely negative ned here...
DevelopmentArrested said:
100% agreed. Great first segment. Too bad Victor's not closer. He makes for an excellent guest on the show.
Maybe its because I was doing other things while listening to the podcast, but I honestly didn't find anything there that would cause me to get so sour over. But whatever, everyone has the right to be offended if they want.Flavius said:
But don't pull the "my time is important to me and I don't want it to be wasted", you had at least 30 posts talking about how shitty this episode was. You listened out of curiosity to see the train wreck, so you wasted your own time.
beelzebozo
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please never have this guy on the show again.
Flakster99
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Flavius said:
Yup, best part of the podcast. The irony that Mar_ explained isn't new for this group, as I have been getting small doses of said irony in recent weeks/months, it has simply been exacerbated in this episode.
Dr Bad Dude PHD
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Matthew Kumar deserves to be a 1up yours staple.
beelzebozo
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igotnewsuper8 systemWRONG! said:
i don't normally say or think stuff like this, but i would gladly unsubscribe if this guy were a regular.
lowrider007
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Dante said:
Agreed, I loved the show, gave me a few laughs on my way home from work today, Kumer was just drunk, I felt maybe they played on him a little more than they should of done becuase of the condition he was in but hey it was still funny.
What the fuck is wrong with you sensitive fucks? The second segment was goddamn hilarious. I'm sure the scottish guy wasn't mentally scared from his ListenUp experience. Can't you guys just view this shit as entertainment instead of always wanting the utmost highest intellectual discussion of video games ever of all time forever?
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whooshShearie said:
The fact that the scottish guy was taking himself so seriously to the point where he was annoyed by a few small jokes was hilarious to me. He could have just as easily had a laugh with the others and then gotten back on point like everyone else does, but he didn't, which probably caused the others to take the piss even more. Well, that, as well as the fact that his points were often off topic or incoherent.
"Shut up about boners. I want to talk about feelings!" I was waiting for a bus and lost my shit laughing at that point.
And again when Bad Boys II came up.
Seriously, comedy gold.
"Shut up about boners. I want to talk about feelings!" I was waiting for a bus and lost my shit laughing at that point.
And again when Bad Boys II came up.
Seriously, comedy gold.
DangerStepp
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Podcasts surrounding special events (GDC, E3) tend to be good and informative or terrible and repulsive.
Fact.
Fact.
Dr Bad Dude PHD
Banned
I really wish they would change the name back to 1up yours, everytime Garnett introduces us to Listen Up you can almost hear the tears welling up in his eyes, he struggles to get it out.
infinityBCRT
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Holy... the Scottish guy trying to be serious with everyone else joking was gold :lol ... sounded like he was pulling his hair out.