Meh, that wasn't much of a meltdown.npm0925 said:Ferraro NBC news meltdown clip on Hardball now.
Meh, that wasn't much of a meltdown.npm0925 said:Ferraro NBC news meltdown clip on Hardball now.
VPhys said:Pat Buchanan is looking like an idiot on Hardball right now.
:lolCheebs said:
In a private meeting in D.C. with her top fundraisers from all over the country today, Hillary gave a rousing pep-talk in which she flatly predicted, "we're gonna win this," according to a fundraiser who was present.
In a series of closed-door meetings in Washington today, fundraisers were given extensive presentations from top Hillary advisers and surrogates about strategy and about what needs to be done to win over super-delegates should she fail to close the pledged delegate gap, the fundraiser says.
The fundraiser adds that there were expressions of frustration with DNC chair Howard Dean for not doing enough to resolve the Florida and Michigan situations.
I reported below that the Hillary campaign summoned its top fundraisers for an all-day affair in D.C. today. The fundraiser who was present gave me a rough run-down on some of what transpired.
Fundraisers were given a presentation on Florida by Senator Bill Nelson, and one on Michigan by Senator Debbie Stabenow, and senior Hillary adviser Harold Ickes walked listeners through the challenges ahead. The presentations had a tone of optimism tempered by realism, the fundraiser said, adding that Ickes didn't try to persuade his listeners that she would be able to catch up with Obama in pledged delegates.
Rather, the clear message emerging from the presentations was that Hillary's success depends on the campaign's ability to persuade the super-delegates that they should be considering three "data points," as this fundraiser puts it, in considering whom to back: The pledged delegate count, the popular vote, and the specific states won by each candidate.
The fundraisers -- who included Hillary finance chairs Alan Patricof, Maureen White, and Hassan Nemazee -- persistently questioned Hillary advisers about what could be done about Florida and Michigan. There was a pronounced sense at the meetings that Howard Dean needs to do more to resolve the situations in those states. "There was very much a sense that people want Dean to do more," the fundraiser says.
Hillary spoke soon after noon to her top money people. "She took questions for most of the time," the fundraiser says, adding that she projected an "upbeat" air and that she said, "I'm a fighter, when I get knocked down, I get right up, we're gonna win this."
Anyway, take this for what it's worth. One other point: The fundraiser says that the tensions between Ickes, Mark Penn and other top advisers were held in check for once: "They didn't go at each other," the fundraiser quips.
Yeah, I was thinking, "Wait, what'll we use to talk about this for the next month?" No debates, no nothing.thefro said:We need a new thread for now until a few days before PA at some point.
maynerd said:Can someone from Hillary's camp provide something that shows what her experience is and why it's so much better than Obama's?
v1cious said:
Who knew. David Trimble is traded on the NASDAQ.First, she never played a key role in brokering peace in Northern Ireland, according to former first minister David Trimble (NASDAQ:TRMB) , who said she had no direct role in the talks. Her husband, the president, was engaged in the talks, yes, said Trimble. But Hillary essentially was just along for the ride.
gkrykewy said:I live in PA too - happy to put together a thread if people would like.
scorcho said:unless democratic leaders step in this really could be a case where it's between Clinton and a unified Democratic Party. even then, it looks like she is comfortable weakening Obama enough to ensure McCain a victory in November (ie: stupid 'experience threshold' comment).
on the other hand, the potential difference in pledged delegates (~100 is likely) is small enough a percentage of the total that Clinton has a valid claim to let autonomous super delegates have their say. after all this is over the DNC needs to seriously reevaluate the role/need of superdelegates and changing the primary/caucus dates, maybe to a lottery format.
Amir0x said:I live in PA too.
Today I made a medium-sized Obama banner and hung it up outside my office in the Tobyhanna Army Depot. Civilians for the army UNITE!
so if Obama was likely to benefit then a winner-take-all system would be fine for you?teiresias said:I agree, the primary system needs to see some changes again. However, I do not want to see a winner-take-all system as Hillary would probably be the run away winner at this point in such a system.
scorcho said:so if Obama was likely to benefit then a winner-take-all system would be fine for you?
v1cious said:
looks like it's candidate-based to me. regardless, winner-take-all systems aren't likely anyhow.Tamanon said:I think he's inferring that a winner-take-all system is tilted more towards the establishment.
scorcho said:Clinton has a valid claim to let autonomous super delegates have their say.
I'd skip out on voting entirely if they did that.JCreasy said:Let's hope the super delegates do the right thing. If they undermine the popular vote and make Clinton the nominee, not only will McCain win, but it'll take several generations for the DNC to get back on its feet.
There is no way that Obama supporters are going to tolerate Clinton are their representative. It's just not going to happen.
gkrykewy said:I'm thinking of volunteering here in Philly. Not sure yet, as I'm rather busy right now. Campaign's doing a smart thing in South Philly - cleaning up/renovating a park with campaign sponsorship. After the Obama signs come down, the park will still be clean.
Anyway: amir0x, ruroni - should I make a thread, or is another one imminent?
Seth C said:There is no way we need a PA thread yet, but I think we could use a between the primaries thread. Someone had some funny ideas for titles a few pages back.
GhaleonEB said:I'd skip out on voting entirely if they did that.
v1cious said:
mosaic said:Wow, I found an article by a woman that basically sums up everything my female friends have been saying to me, very emotionally, ever since Super Tuesday:
http://www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html
Basically, it hits all of the race, gender, age, and experience complaints in one massive "Hillary is losing" style whine.
reilo said:Clinton: The results of Florida and Michigan are fair, and should be honored.
Get, the, fuck, out.
PhoenixDark said:How is she lying about her roots? I'm not familiar with this meme
Amir0x said:You have to look at it from her perspective. I can understand where she's coming from. You see in Hillary's world, it's "fair" to constantly race bait, to endorse a Republican opponent while tearing down a fellow democrat, to dismiss the vast majority of the country and their states, to lie about her roots and lie about her experience and lie about her taxes and corruption.
In Hillary's world, her being the only one on the ballot in Michigan is fair. It's the fairest it could be. After all, since Hillary is entitled to the nomination, it's more fair than anything that has been fair before. Why should someone who is not inevitable and entitled be on the ballot?
The beauty contest in Florida highlighted her strong ability to win battleground states in races where nobody is being competitive. It's the most democratic way to win, after all, and is an ability strongly needed in the general.
Tamanon said:Let's put it this way, do you actually know what Hillary's home state is?
I think it might be Texas personally, but she changes it a lot.
Tamanon said:Let's put it this way, do you actually know what Hillary's home state is?
I think it might be Texas personally, but she changes it a lot.
Amir0x said:If Hillary has ever even taken a breath in a state, or has a cousin fifty times removed, she has roots in the states.
She once fucked a guy in Toledo.
Amir0x said:If Hillary has ever even taken a breath in a state, or has a cousin fifty times removed, she has roots in the states.
She once fucked a guy in Toledo.
The Lamonster said:I can't wait for this special comment. Hopefully it'll be like Olbermann has been holding back for far too long and after this last straw, he's ready to let it rip.
dabig2 said:Sad to say she's Chicago bred. Went to the same highschool as my mom actually. But we chicagoans don't really claim her so.....
mosaic said:Wow, I found an article by a woman that basically sums up everything my female friends have been saying to me, very emotionally, ever since Super Tuesday:
http://www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html
Basically, it hits all of the race, gender, age, and experience complaints in one massive "Hillary is losing" style whine.
Can you blame him?reilo said:As far as we know, that guy has denied any sexual involvement with HRC.
mosaic said:Wow, I found an article by a woman that basically sums up everything my female friends have been saying to me, very emotionally, ever since Super Tuesday:
http://www.womensmediacenter.com/ex/020108.html
Basically, it hits all of the race, gender, age, and experience complaints in one massive "Hillary is losing" style whine.
Goodbye to the sick, malicious idea that this is funny. This is not “Clinton hating,” not “Hillary hating.” This is sociopathic woman-hating.
:lolreilo said:If it's anything like his one against George Bush in the aftermath of the Habeas Corpus fiasco where he quotes John Wayne... then holy shit.