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New Nintendo 3DS Hardware Info (Conference At 10 PST/1 EST Today)
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Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
KAL2006 said:
The issue with his statement wasn't specifically graphics. It was "surviving a generation." All of these easily survived a generation with lower-grade technology and affordable prices.
Zoramon089
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Mudkips said:
Are you serious?! How many times does this question need to be asked and proven irrelevant before you guys finally get it?!
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I'll say this: I've been firm in my belief that the system would retail for $229. That was because I was expecting a bit more horsepower than the rumored specs.
Now, I'll be pissed if it's over $200. $199 is the perfect price point with this technology.
Now, I'll be pissed if it's over $200. $199 is the perfect price point with this technology.
Relaxed Muscle
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brain_stew said:
Yeah, sorry, I didn't know the 4MB a VRAM was such a big deal....
I'm happy with the specs after your explanation....damn I should have been happy with was actually shown, and didn't try to look into specs from my noob tech standpoint. :lol :lol
redbarchetta
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Mudkips said:
The DS lasted a full six years using sub-N64 technology. The GameBoy lasted even longer with technology even less powerful for its time.
Mudkips said:
Video chat is never going to take off, and the little market it will gain will be limited to actual phones and Skype.
Mudkips said:
It's a gaming machine, not a dedicated camera. The camera's resolution already exceeds that of either screen and it more than adequate for the purpose in which they'll primarily be used: gameplay.
Mudkips said:
That's fine, but I don't this this will matter to most people. The 3DS's resolution was fine when I played it at E3.
Mudkips said:
This is a demand that's impossible to fill then.
Mudkips said:
Yeah, except it comes at the user's expense whether they want longer batter life or not.
True, except for the OS, which really should use on-board memory. Besides, it's nice not to have to deal with the hassle of SD Cards if it can be avoided (though the option is welcomed).Mudkips said:
Mudkips said:
The Wii wasn't even competitive when it launched! So, your point?
Mudkips said:
We don't know that. 3D comes with a whole host of performance related issues--if the PSP wants to trounce it graphically (which Sony has been apt to do before), they'll avoid 3D entirely to maximize performance.
Jin34 said:
I really wished Nintendo showed someone playing a game on 3DS (ingame with hud and etc) that had graphics as good as RE4, Mario Galaxy, FFXII and etc. Then there wouldn't be doubters. It's a shame they only showed Kid Icarus and Nintendogs which didnt really showcase impressive graphics.
ShineALight
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KAL2006 said:
Nintendo has hit a sweet spot between battery life, graphical capability and cost. Games are going to look great. Will it look competitive with whatever iPhone people are carrying around in 2013? Probably not.
At the same time, I can handle five or six years of 3DS games that rival or outdo Wind Waker, Prime, Resident Evil: Revelations, DoA, MGS, etc. Even the Gamecube games I mentioned still look great. I'm glad to be free of assy pixelated 3D ala DS, N64 and some poorer GCN-era games.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Even if the older ones learn their lesson, there's new ones being produced every single day.Zoramon089 said:
I would have tipped my hat when I was (honestly) excited about the same thing, but I was too busy replugging in my charger. It was a major reason I stopped playing my PSP. That, and the size, and clunky UMDs which got in the way of portability. I loved everything else about PSP, but really, when it came down to real life usability, DS won out for me. I still have a PSP in the corner that has gone untouched for about 3 years now simply because it ceased being a portable, and I like my HDTV consoles more for home gaming. I played my DS last week. Even my old abused DS Fat still has the battery life I need for it to be a proper portable system. Battery life was a fairly big worry of mine for 3DS, as it seemed Nintendo was biting off quite a bit when looking at videos/screenshots. Now I see they really had their priorities straight, and those games I was impressed by weeks ago aren't any less impressive.Mudkips said:
Sir Ilpalazzo
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ILikeFeet said:
It's not just about features. Look at games like Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom - I wouldn't care if the online modes had the same features they do now if they (the online modes) ran as well as fighting games do on the other two consoles.
H_Prestige
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This thing will produce games that look practically like ps3/360 games. It's plenty future proof IMO.
redbarchetta
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Vic said:
We'll find out soon. I firmly believe that won't be an option Especially considering it really makes no damn sense--it seems it'd be more of a hassle to install the games than simply carry 3 pint-sized cartridges around. Plus a single game has the capability to exceed the 3DS's entire system memory.
So no. It's not going to happen, imo.
Nintendo has already hinted strongly that the 3DS would introduce a new online system. Capcom has suggested a new system for multiplayer when asked about online multiplayer while talking about Street Fighter 4. They went on to say they could not expand on it but wait for the Nintendo event
brain_stew
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Veal said:
It shouldn't be, there's more than enough room to fit the framebuffer in there and have copious amounts to spare without resorting to 16 bit rendering.
Mudkips said:
I would've loved higher res cameras and 3D video chat too, but the screen, seriously? that screen is the same resolution that you'll find in high end smartphones (800x480). Thing is, the 3D filter on top of it splits the image into two, one for each eye, which results in half the perceived horizontal resolution, and in order to maintain the aspect ratio, they double the vertical pixels so that the effective resolution of 400x240 in 3D. If you still want the 3D effect, the image will be lower resolution, but the screen itself is plenty hi-res.
while full vga resolution on the bottom screen would've been cool, you have to consider that your GPU would need to render 4x as many pixels for that screen, which means more VRAM, more powerful GPU, which increases costs even more. You want an affordable device, they're giving it to you.
and that 333 MHz thing... at first sony underclocked the CPU for battery life, but eventually unlocked it for games like God of War, I don't see how that has anything to do with the 3DS.
ShockingAlberto
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It is almost certainly still going to be Friend's Codes, but we can hope they are at least integrated intelligently this time.antonz said:
delirium said:
It makes even less sense for the 3DS as its far more powerful than the DS was relative to the time for its release. If someone came up and asked if you could port games from PS2/GC/Xbox to the DS you'd be met with nothing but :lol :lol :lol . If you asked if you could port 360/PS3 games/engines to the 3DS Capcom already answered that with: oh yeah we did that in like 2 months, no biggie.
brain_stew
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KAL2006 said:
It means precisely that. There won't be a big ingame dashboard and extras like web browsing will be limited and probably provide a pretty miserable experience. Its not going to replace your smartphone.
ShineALight said:
I actually agree with that, the blocky 3D graphics on DS was terrible (though I didn't mind 2D games), but if the graphics match GC, then that is more than enough for me. Metroid Prime and RE4 still look great to me, and on a small screen it would only look better.
Plinko said:
I have mentioned a iPod touch with 8GB flash memory which is much more powerful than 3DS is only $200 (most placed sell it for $170). I really hope 3DS is at least $200, but I have a feeling they will charge more, they don't give a fuck about how much the tech cost, they want to make a huge profit margin. Just look at the Wii, that sold for so much at launch and it was just a stronger GC.
Grampa Simpson
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I love the lead up to new platforms. It's such an exciting time to be a gaming enthusiast.
redbarchetta
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defferoo said:
Not sure if your "800x480" is referencing the 3DS or smartphones. For clarification's sake, the 3D screen runs at the resolution of 800x240, with the horizontal resolution then being halved for the 3D effect, resulting in a 400x240 image for each eye.
redbarchetta
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Serenade said:
Right, then they came to their damn senses.
brain_stew
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Instro said:
Its much more than I expected. The Wii has to push more than twice as many pixels (yes that includes the bottom screen and both viewpoints) and only has a 3MB embedded framebuffer.
Grampa Simpson
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It is 7 days, 0 hours, 16 minutes and 18 seconds until Wednesday, September 29, 2010 at 10:00:00 AM (Tokyo time)Sega said:
Just a little reminder of how pumped you should be. The sub-week period is only a few hours away.
Are we expecting an early afternoon conference?
Plinko said:
Because honestly you like the 3rd party situation on the Wii and DS?
The original GB had no competent competition, and was never truly updated until other handhelds forced them to release the GBA. (Let's just go ahead and skip discussing the VB for the sake of sanity.)
You've got three major players other than Nintendo gunning for pieces of this pie, and people's time on-the-go is taken up by other things. People don't need a handheld gaming device during plane trips or long car rides like they needed a Gameboy. They have phones, mp3 players, portable video players, etc.
In 2 years the 3DS hardware will be doable in moderately-priced smartphones (much of it already is), devices people will want to buy regardless of whether or not they want to play games.
I laughed 8 years ago when people talked about playing shitty Java games on their cell phones. I laugh every time Steve Jobs trots out sharts talking about game downloads for the iPhone / iPod Touch. Nothing fucking comes close to the DS in terms of raw handheld gaming market $$$$$$. But all that can and will change if Nintendo becomes complacent.
You can't point to superior devices failing in the past as any indication of what will happen in the future. The market is fundamentally different now than it was in 2004. People are conditioned to a 2-year cycle for mobile hardware. Nintendo is conditioned to an 8-year + cycle for handheld systems. The GBA was an exception and so short-lived because Sony forced their hand with the PSP. Nintendo put out a half-hearted competitor with the DS, calling it a fucking "third pillar", but it ended up owning the market. I don't think they can do that again with the 3DS when you have Apple, Sony, and likely MS looking to encroach on that market, none of whom are dumb enough to underestimate Nintendo again.
The fact that they're so tight-lipped about their online services makes me think that they're planning to make everything account-based, and release hardware upgrades every couple of years (rather than cosmetic redesigns), while allowing you to properly transfer everything tied to your old 3DS. The fact that it's Nintendo, and it has to do with online, make me worry.
I just don't think the known/rumored specs will be competitive long term. The system will sell hundreds of millions. Nintendo will make billions on hardware and software. But as a gamer, I see developers scrambling to try and make sense out of the ever-moving handheld market, splitting resources between the platforms, and generally making a mess of things. I sure as fuck don't want the 3DS to be seen as the lowest common denominator in terms of hardware a few years down the line, to the point where it receives Nintendo titles, shovelware, and the random 3rd-party hidden gem.
ShockingAlberto
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It's also a cynic's playground.BMF said:
Kilgore Trout
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They'll try, but this little experiment will end in tears, my friend.Mudkips said:
Even if the PSP2 is technologically superior I don't think it will be able to compete with the 3DS as far as gaming is concerned. It will surely have a higher launch cost, considering Sony's track record so far, and even if it's a phone that means it will be competing more with the iPhone in a different market.
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