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New Nintendo 3DS Hardware Info (Conference At 10 PST/1 EST Today)
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brain_stew
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flyinpiranha said:
In terms of the effects and technology they're using, we already have the evidence of that. Decent 3DS games are packing in most of the important technology from PS3/360 games that makes them games stand out, only its ran at much lower precision, the geometary counts are an order of magnitude lower or more and not all the technology makes the transition either.
Though if Capcom can manage to produce a 3DS engine in 3 months that has decent quality dynamic shadowmaps, self shadowing, HDR rendering, colourgrading, object based motion blur, per pixel lighting, lots of normal mapping and specular highlights then its not difficult to see where that line of thinking comes from, really. Of course the hardware is no where near the 360 but that doesn't mean to say that a lot of the technology that defines the look of this generation can't run in real time on the 3DS with slightly better than PSP levels of geometary and Xbox calibre texturing.
Quadrangulum
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rezuth said:
There aren't many developers in that list of yours.
Willy105 said:
I'm sure they'll take a minor hit if you compound their R&D into the cost in the beginning, but unless they are really going to aggressively price these things (really doubtful at the price the i/XL launched at) Nintendo should be making a pretty penny in not much time. Nintendo could have gotten at least a bit more aggressive.
crazy monkey
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for those who are worried 3ds has less than 4 inch of screen. game will look amazing regardless. I just want good 3d performance from machine since that is the main selling point for me.
brain_stew
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Cow Mengde said:
Of course it'll be capble of "physics" but its CPU is definitely not suited to a high level of physics simulation. The Xbox really couldn't run HL2's physics with reasonable performance and the 3DS should be even less capable, so no, don't expect miracles in this area.
Paracelsus
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brain_stew said:
But PSP has awful/subpar geometry when it's pushing too many polygons on characters. I expected at least proper geometry on everything, a portable og xbox or something.
plagiarize
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of course not. the price will be based on what they can sell it for, not the component costs.Linkup said:
Cow Mengde
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brain_stew said:
Damn, now that is disappointing.
Starchasing
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brain_stew said:
Also if the real 3d screen is one of their biggest selling points then we can be sure that they will pay attention to graphics. They will do it in the typical nintendo way of being "just good enough" but this is not a wii scenario where they said graphics are not important.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Probably not Havoc or Source, but a purpose-built one would work, sure.Cow Mengde said:
My opinion though is that most games using physics engines don't use it in a meaningful way.
lol they have plenty othersQuadrangulum said:
Square Enix
Rockstar
Ubisoft
THQ
Bandai Namco
Atlus
Hudson
Harmonix
Warner Bros
You can find tons of big name companies making games for the iOS.
I don't know how you believe it to be "low budget shit" but lets list some real efforts.Pimpbaa said:
Square Enix have released Chaos Rings, Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy 2, Song Summoner.
Rockstar released Chinatown Wars.
Harmonix released Rock Band.
EA released FIFA, C&C Red Alert, Need for Speed Shift, Need for Speed Undercover, Madden, Sim City, Tiger Woods.
Activision released Call of Duty: Zombies, Guitar Hero, Tony Hawk 2, Geometry Wars, Crash Bandicoot Racing.
Warner Bros released Harry Potter, Watchmen, The Dark Knight, Ninja Assassin.
THQ released Star Wars The Force Unleashed.
Ubisoft released Anno The Harbor, Assassins Creed 2 Multiplayer, Prince of Persia Retro, Rabbids Go Home, Silent Hunter.
id released Doom 2 RPG, Wolfenstein 3D, Doom Resurrection, Doom Classic.
Capcom released Mega Man 2, Resident Evil Degenration, Resident Evil 4, Street Fighter IV, Ghost N Goblins, Dak Void Zero.
I think its unfair to say that these games are shit.
This is of course derailing the thread but it had to be stated.
I do think that the introduction of the 3DS means we will see more games ported to iOS when they start to sell less on the system.
Little Green Yoda
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brain_stew said:
That's what I wanted to hear.
viciouskillersquirrel
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If someone puts in the budget.Man God said:
I worry that dev time will mean that releases will be more spaced out than in the past.
Relaxed Muscle
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ShockingAlberto
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The tech is thereKAL2006 said:
It all depends on budget, resources, and talent beyond that.
Instro said:
but thats not gameplay, when I see gameplay footage that look as good as Mario Galaxy, RE4, FFXII and etc, then I will be happy. At the moment the only gameplay we have seen is Nintendogs and Kid Icarus which don't looks as good as the above examples I gave. Basically I want the graphics as good as all those above games, but in 3D.
H_Prestige
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Sounds good to me. I don't need a jack of all trades since I will already get an iphone 4.
I just hope it comes in matte black.
I just hope it comes in matte black.
brain_stew
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KAL2006 said:
In general CPU performance? Absolutely
As a general computing device? Absolutely
As a dedicated gaming device? Hard to say
Honestly people that were expecting a 1ghz A9 need to get a reality check. Go run the Epic Citadel demo on your Ipone 4 until the battery runs out and I doubt that thing will last 3 hours. Sorry but Nintendo don't have some exclusive magic battery technology and Apple are already pretty damn good at optimising for battery life. If you want this thing to last 10 hours in games then something had to be sacrificed and I'm glad it was general CPU performance.
As for RAM, 64MB (+4MB dedicated) really isn't that bad at all. Its better than anything from last generation and if people were happy with the textures in Xbox games when displayed at 480p on a bog screen TV, I'm sure the same resolution textures will look just fine at 240p on a 3" screen. My desire for 128MB was mostly motivated for performance in other tasks (like a web browser) and because it would have allowed Nintendo to develop a nice and fully featured OS/dashboard that ran at all times. It would have been nice for games, sure but it isn't a dealbreaker. Anything more than 128MB really wouldn't have made any difference in games at all, I'm quite sure of that as the hardware just isn't powerful enough to take proper advantage of it.
64MB actually compares pretty damn well to the amount of memory iOS apps/renderpaths which aren't ES 2.0 exclusive have access to actually. Its only stuff like Citadel which target the high end devices exclusively that can take advantage of that extra RAM and even then the OS eats into a major chunk of it.
drizzle said:
no, 512MB on the iphone is only there for multitasking. Each app is limited to a few MB of RAM. On the older iphones, it was somewhere around 12MB, I think the limit might be up to 32MB now. But with 3DS, you're running what's essentially equivalent to one "app" and you have full use of all 64MB of RAM. in other words, it's plenty.
If you don't think that's enough, think of it this way, the 3DS has two times as much RAM as the PSP, two times the amount of VRAM, and almost surely more processing power. Not to mention has built in fixed function shaders that implement advanced techniques you'd usually see in 360/ps3/pc games.
Fantastical
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I seriously think they will. That game is still a year off at the least.big_z said:
ShockingAlberto
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So you want details about gameplay videos that don't exist yet? What?KAL2006 said:
I mean, why ask the question then?
viciouskillersquirrel
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DQ goes to the system with the largest active userbase. 3DS, even if it shoots past the DS, has some years to go yet.big_z said:
brain_stew
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plagiarize said:
This was always going to be the case. These specification just mean that pricepoints like $150/$200 are definite options that Nintendo have. Oh, and it'll be less than $200.
Relaxed Muscle
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big_z said:
The best thing, is that they could (probably) use part of the assets they have been doing for the Wii version (if there's any actual asset)
KAL2006 said:
Umm thats how the game looks like... Capcom already went into detail on their MT Framework Lite engine, its doing pretty much all the effects of the 360/PS3 version. Nintendo's games look like they are using their GC/Wii engines which is not surprising for launch games since they have no experience with modern GPU architecture, they'll make new engines that make use of the 3DS's power.
ShockingAlberto
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The only mind that matters with regard to this is Horii.XPE said:
redbarchetta
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ciaossu said:
Calling it now: there is no way the 3DS will support anything in the way of "game installs" as we commonly know them. Instead, I believe this is in reference to the system's "tag mode," which as confirmed through Nintendo World Report, can be used to "install" several small applications that can make use of Tag Mode, even when the game isn't physically in the 3DS itself.
As such, these should use a few Megabytes of information, at most (and likely less.) Do note that this doesn't include save file information, which is likely what will be shared via tag mode--I think the days of saving to the game itself are largely behind us.
Edit: Updated my "PGC" (Planet GameCube) to their actual current name (Nintendo World Report). Old habits die hard.
brain_stew
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The Faceless Master said:
I think that's actually a surprisingly roomy amount of internal storage. It compares incredibly well to the ~256MB which users have access to on Nintendo's home console and should be more than enough to last most casual useers several years. GAFers can still buy cheap 32GB SDHC cards later on, but this means that you can put off that purchase for the first 6 months.
DeathbyVolcano
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I still think it'll be $229.
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