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Official Smashing Pumpkins thread
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Since we're at the top of a new page (well, if you have your account set up to display 100 posts per page, we are), here's a recap of the important stuff:
-The album will have the "intelligence" of Machina but the "accessibility" of MCIS according to the guys in Kill Hannah. This is good for the actual songs, because Machina I's production killed them. Going for a more sure style will keep this songs in a pure form; many of the Machina I tracks were great demos and awesome live but just not good on the album.
-Roy Thomas Baker (Queen) is the primary producer with Terry Date (Pantera, Soundgarden, others) also involved (although I'm really not sure why, maybe the Terry Date stuff was an entirely different session.)
-ThePumpkinQueen (keeps their myspace running) also described a very "shoe-gazey" sound, which is never a bad thing. She has also said that it's a mix of Siamese and Mellon Collie and that the band will play Reading '07.
-It's not "heavy" like Machina. "Billy wants to shred." Every song was "hit after hit after hit", not like a commercial hit but every song being a "big hitter". So I guess that implies pretty hard.
-Billy: "We don't have time to **** up."
-Roy Thomas Baker: "More than 300 guitars around" in the studio. Backing tracks and guitar overdubs are finished. Vocals were next and then mixing (at the time of the interview). They should be finished Spring '07 "at the latest". Billy has "never been so experimental with his voice, has never put his voice so much forward." In terms of dynamics, it's "even more extreme than Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness." Corgan called RTB and asked him if he wanted to produce.
-Jimmy Chamberlin says over 50 songs have been written.
-Laut.de is saying that the reunion and tour will happen in June.
-Eric Avery (Jane's Addiction) may have something to do with the tour.
-Courtney Love did just about everything but confirm that James and D'Arcy are definitely not in. Too bad James doesn't want to come back. As for D'Arcy, she used to be really cool, but now I think it's for the best that she doesn't return.
There's been quite a lot of news, but it comes along so randomly that it doesn't seem like it.
-The album will have the "intelligence" of Machina but the "accessibility" of MCIS according to the guys in Kill Hannah. This is good for the actual songs, because Machina I's production killed them. Going for a more sure style will keep this songs in a pure form; many of the Machina I tracks were great demos and awesome live but just not good on the album.
-Roy Thomas Baker (Queen) is the primary producer with Terry Date (Pantera, Soundgarden, others) also involved (although I'm really not sure why, maybe the Terry Date stuff was an entirely different session.)
-ThePumpkinQueen (keeps their myspace running) also described a very "shoe-gazey" sound, which is never a bad thing. She has also said that it's a mix of Siamese and Mellon Collie and that the band will play Reading '07.
-It's not "heavy" like Machina. "Billy wants to shred." Every song was "hit after hit after hit", not like a commercial hit but every song being a "big hitter". So I guess that implies pretty hard.
-Billy: "We don't have time to **** up."
-Roy Thomas Baker: "More than 300 guitars around" in the studio. Backing tracks and guitar overdubs are finished. Vocals were next and then mixing (at the time of the interview). They should be finished Spring '07 "at the latest". Billy has "never been so experimental with his voice, has never put his voice so much forward." In terms of dynamics, it's "even more extreme than Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness." Corgan called RTB and asked him if he wanted to produce.
-Jimmy Chamberlin says over 50 songs have been written.
-Laut.de is saying that the reunion and tour will happen in June.
-Eric Avery (Jane's Addiction) may have something to do with the tour.
-Courtney Love did just about everything but confirm that James and D'Arcy are definitely not in. Too bad James doesn't want to come back. As for D'Arcy, she used to be really cool, but now I think it's for the best that she doesn't return.
There's been quite a lot of news, but it comes along so randomly that it doesn't seem like it.
tsp_gatmog
Member
i am so ready for this ****ing album
my favorite band of all time. i never once thought id get to see them live or hear a brand new album from them, ever. this is so ****ing amazing. like a dream come true. ive been a fance since 2001, so the pumpkins have always been this sort of distant band for me. ive always imagined what its been like to see them live or be a fan while they're still around. words cant express, etc...its REALLY happening
my favorite band of all time. i never once thought id get to see them live or hear a brand new album from them, ever. this is so ****ing amazing. like a dream come true. ive been a fance since 2001, so the pumpkins have always been this sort of distant band for me. ive always imagined what its been like to see them live or be a fan while they're still around. words cant express, etc...its REALLY happening
:lolWhite Man said:
It's been said that Courtney Love is the greatest lay in all of showbiz. I find it hard to believe, but something must keep drawing people in.FrenchMovieTheme said:
I never had hope in D'Arcy being in it. She was always a bitch, anyway. I can't get a bead on Iha...seems like he thinks he's in another league, but who knows. He's a mousey guy.
tsp gatmog: I know, I'm really excited. I think I'm willing to drive out to just about anywhere to see them play, because I doubt they're coming here and I will NOT miss them this time around.
Ror: D'Arcy did help hold the band together, though. Until she became a drug addict. And yeah, if James wants nothing to do with it, he's shooting himself in the foot.
Ror: D'Arcy did help hold the band together, though. Until she became a drug addict. And yeah, if James wants nothing to do with it, he's shooting himself in the foot.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
this is exactly why i feel like some stranger is getting ready to desecrate a well-preserved corpse. i hope saint billy knows what he's doing.Macam said:
mattiewheels said:
I've never doubted, and still don't, his ability to write some absolutely amazing pieces of music -- I just never cared much for his actual non-musical writing. From the glimpses of his poetry book I had seen, it read like bathroom graffiti, as does much of his posts to the fans. It's not surprising that every time I go to one of his shows, SP, Zwan, or solo, there's always this fairly sizeable chunk of goths or semi-goths who are more wrapped up in pretentious appearances than the music. Bleh.
That's really my only complaint though; if he wants to nail Courtney Love, go for it. His personal life is his own, I'm just concerned with him (and Jimmy...and James if ever gets back to it) constantly writing music because there just isn't anything quite like it. He does covers like no one else and his idea of rock is just inherently compelling to me. I'm looking forward to the new album but I have absolutely no expectations for it. If it's another Pisces, another Machina, another Gish....fine by me. But if I have any secret expectations, it's that it'll be more like JCC's stuff
I'm STILL watching that video, Diablos.
Macam: Awesome, glad you're enjoying it.
Reese: Billy helped them get started... he really supported them on tours and stuff. Probably helped hook them up with some labels.
This article says SP will tour in June: http://www.laut.de/vorlaut/news/2007/01/22/14183/index.htm
Reese: Billy helped them get started... he really supported them on tours and stuff. Probably helped hook them up with some labels.
This article says SP will tour in June: http://www.laut.de/vorlaut/news/2007/01/22/14183/index.htm
distantmantra
Member
I saw this over at Pitchfork today, probably backs up with Diablos posted above.
Last month, we told you that the Smashing Pumpkins were slated to play "some European festivals" in the summer of 2007. Well, they've finally announced exactly where and when fans can, for the first time in over six years, catch the band live.
The Pumpkins will play Germany's Rock am Ring and Rock im Park festivals, taking place in Nuremburg on June 2 at Nürburgring and June 3 at Zeppelinfeld, respectively.
They're sharing rosters with the likes of Linkin Park, Korn, Evanescence, Slayer, Dave Matthews Band, Slayer, and My Chemical Romance. Muse, the Arctic Monkeys, Kaiser Chiefs, the Kooks, Wolfmother, and Mando Diao are lined up to perform as well.
Who, exactly, is in Smashing Pumpkins? We still don't know.
Last month, we told you that the Smashing Pumpkins were slated to play "some European festivals" in the summer of 2007. Well, they've finally announced exactly where and when fans can, for the first time in over six years, catch the band live.
The Pumpkins will play Germany's Rock am Ring and Rock im Park festivals, taking place in Nuremburg on June 2 at Nürburgring and June 3 at Zeppelinfeld, respectively.
They're sharing rosters with the likes of Linkin Park, Korn, Evanescence, Slayer, Dave Matthews Band, Slayer, and My Chemical Romance. Muse, the Arctic Monkeys, Kaiser Chiefs, the Kooks, Wolfmother, and Mando Diao are lined up to perform as well.
Who, exactly, is in Smashing Pumpkins? We still don't know.
Wow. And so it's official. That's pretty exciting to finally have something concrete. Guess that's when I'll be hearing their new songs, since it'll be bootlegged to hell and back.distantmantra said:
I bet they must be so nervous about that show. Going straight to two big festival shows, playing to a not-necessarily-there-to-see-you audience, after a 6 year breakup? Yeesh! The reality of the show can't possibly live up to that, especially given the fragility of SP as a live band. Still, it'll be cool just to have it happen, regardless of how it goes down. You better believe I'm catching them in Seattle when they tour.
distantmantra
Member
terrene said:
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few surprise shows in and around Chicago prior to heading overseas.
Yeah, I'll more than likely revert to my former freakish self once they hit the road. Seattle, Portland, Boise, Vancouver BC... it's all fair game.
I'll do Seattle and Portland is just 3 hours away [the way I drive] so why not. The 'couv is a pain now that they check passports (ugh, the lines) and Boise is what, nearly 5 hours? But yeah, I can do twice. Especially if their setlist is very generous with the 90s selections.distantmantra said:
distantmantra
Member
terrene said:
During the last year of the band, I drove down to Portland twice, up to Vancouver once, and had an awesome weekend in Boise catching Death Cab and Built to Spill one night, and then SP the next.
Hell, I even drove down to Portland to see Zwan.
Nice! I love roadtrips. Had a lot of fun driving up the west coast during this video shoot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuoZU_5NpYAdistantmantra said:
Zwan, though? Shit, I felt put out just going to see the Seattle show. I remember Billy coming on stage, looking out at the half-full Paramount and having a really suprised "oh shit" look on his face.
distantmantra
Member
terrene said:
The Seattle Zwan show was utter shit, but the next night at the Roseland in Portland was awesome.
Some more news:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1551284/20070131/index.jhtml
Also, they are playing another festival:
http://www.novarock.at/index.php?novanews
SP is playing with:
If that's not a good indication that this album is gonna be pretty hard, I don't know what is.
:O :O :O :O
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1551284/20070131/index.jhtml
Also, they are playing another festival:
http://www.novarock.at/index.php?novanews
SP is playing with:
If that's not a good indication that this album is gonna be pretty hard, I don't know what is.
Album title and release date, finally!
It's called Zeitgeist and will be released on 7/7, a Saturday.
I think this album title is perhaps their best since "Gish".
I feel like jumping up and down like a crazy person right now. !!!!!!!
It's called Zeitgeist and will be released on 7/7, a Saturday.
Source: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/news/41006/Smashing_Pumpkins_Reveal_Album_Title_Release_Datehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist said:
I think this album title is perhaps their best since "Gish".
I feel like jumping up and down like a crazy person right now. !!!!!!!
He Wants Chalupas
Banned
I'll go see them whenever they pass through here...
distantmantra
Member
Diablos said:
[tin foil hat]Well, that weird looking 07 thing Billy drew on my Stand Inside Your Love single back in 2000 makes some sense now. Same with the 2007 end of the world references from 1994[/tin foil hat]
distantmantra
Member
Diablos said:
It reminds me of my senior History of Psychology course. We spent days and days discussing the zeitgeist and ortgeist.
BigJonsson
Member
YES
LET THE COUNTDOWN COMMENCE
LET THE COUNTDOWN COMMENCE
Zeitgeist is originally a German expression that means "the spirit (Geist) of the time (Zeit)". It denotes the intellectual and cultural climate of an era.
kind of makes me afraid that this album will be a response to all the emo-type stuff going on right now, just as Machina was a "you think Staind rocks, well check out OUR RAWK!" album. I'm afraid it will be a response to current music, and, if Machina is any indication, that's BAD. Of course, he did write Adore during that techno phase of the 90's, and that's my favorite one, so who knows?
On a slightly different subject, has anyone heard the Silversun Pickups (sorry, don't have time to read through the whole thread)? I DO NOT care that they sound mightily similar to Smashing Pumpkins, but as far as actual tunes go, Pickups are severely lacking. It just goes to show you can buy a couple Fender Blenders, look for a female bass player, and sing as breathy as possible without coming close to what made the Pumpkins great. I think Billy once said "gimme a kazoo, and I'll write you a hit song." Alot of critics took him as arrogant, but c'mon!? "Lazy Eye" or "1979"?
kind of makes me afraid that this album will be a response to all the emo-type stuff going on right now, just as Machina was a "you think Staind rocks, well check out OUR RAWK!" album. I'm afraid it will be a response to current music, and, if Machina is any indication, that's BAD. Of course, he did write Adore during that techno phase of the 90's, and that's my favorite one, so who knows?
On a slightly different subject, has anyone heard the Silversun Pickups (sorry, don't have time to read through the whole thread)? I DO NOT care that they sound mightily similar to Smashing Pumpkins, but as far as actual tunes go, Pickups are severely lacking. It just goes to show you can buy a couple Fender Blenders, look for a female bass player, and sing as breathy as possible without coming close to what made the Pumpkins great. I think Billy once said "gimme a kazoo, and I'll write you a hit song." Alot of critics took him as arrogant, but c'mon!? "Lazy Eye" or "1979"?
siamesedreamer
Banned
7/7/07?
0_o
I'm a number freak and seven ****ing rules.
I LOVE BILLY
0_o
I'm a number freak and seven ****ing rules.
I LOVE BILLY
kingofrod said:
I get the Machina hate -- but to compare it to Staind? C'mon. It's not even in the same ballpark. Stand Inside Your Love alone makes the entire album worth it to me, though I certainly really enjoy Machina and always have. Seeing them perform it live certainly didn't hurt.
While I'm still waiting to hear who all is in the band, I'm finally getting genuinely stoked about it. Bring it, Billy
(but leave your Jesus at home)
Good point about Silversun Pickups. They have some standout tracks on their album... and initially I was really into them, but you're exactly right.kingofrod said:
As for Zeitgeist being a response to emo or something, I doubt it. I don't think you should be worrying about any of that.
Wow, you like Machina better than MCIS and AdoreWhite Man said:
I think Machina was the one with a bit of a bloated mess that had an obsessive production, ruining a lot of songs that were good in their previous and/or live form. Machina 2 made up for it, though. You can be obsessive with the production and turn out something good, or you can do the opposite.
You and distantmantra seem to hate on Adore for having a dated production, and you're obviously entitled to, but I disagree. I still think it's a brilliant album.
I don't go as far as agreeing with White Man because I think Adore is A+++ as is MC, but I've been listening to Machina again these last few days and it's a still a A+ album. I definitely wouldn't mind if the new album pushed further in the direction of Machina, as long as the songs are still great.
IMHO Adore > MCIS > Machina > SD > IP >>> Gish
IMHO Adore > MCIS > Machina > SD > IP >>> Gish
I probably overstated my position a bit. It's not like I think Machina is leagues better or anything. I'm not super fond of Adore though. I liked it at the time, but now I listen to it and it just sounds really generic. It's a relic of the time when every band had to add some electronic elements, even when it didn't suit them.
The biggest complaint people have about Machina is the producton, which ironically is one of the parts I love about it. There's just this certain sound and feeling created throughout the album which was just pretty damn memorable to me.Bebpo said:
but wow, more than Siamese Dream? ;P
I actually think Machina II is their weakest album, if you even want count it that is.
I don't rank SP albums, it's too hard for me! I like them all equally. But I can say is that I think Machina is their weakest. I still like it, of course. This sounds fanboyish, but I don't differentiate between their album tracks, b-sides, and even a few demos. Which is why I say Machina 2 makes up for Machina, IMO.
White Man: Adore doesn't remind me of that at all. In fact it sounds way too mature to be compared to the generic electrocrap of the late 90's. Like I told you before, I should send you an Adore live show sometime. It's completely different in approach (it has to be, obviously).
White Man: Adore doesn't remind me of that at all. In fact it sounds way too mature to be compared to the generic electrocrap of the late 90's. Like I told you before, I should send you an Adore live show sometime. It's completely different in approach (it has to be, obviously).
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
machina is a good album, but probably their weakest, which is saying a lot. you get all-time classics on machina such as SIYL, i of the mourning, glass + the ghost children, age of innocence. but then you get stinkers like apples + oranjes and sunshowers + raindrops. then you have middle of the road stuff like heavy metal machine (which btw is amazing on machina compared to whatever the **** that is on the machina II disk... seriously wtf).
if i had to rank the albums i would do it like this:
1. mcis
2. sd
3. adore
4. pisces
5. tafh (if you're considering it an album... which i do!)
6. gish
7. machina II
8. machina
pumpkins have undoubtabley the greatest catalog of songs as a whole of any band i've ever listened to. that is just an opinion i know but their stuff is incredible. in a lot of instances the b-sides from any given album top a good number of the album tracks.
can't wait for the new album and to see them live again!
if i had to rank the albums i would do it like this:
1. mcis
2. sd
3. adore
4. pisces
5. tafh (if you're considering it an album... which i do!)
6. gish
7. machina II
8. machina
pumpkins have undoubtabley the greatest catalog of songs as a whole of any band i've ever listened to. that is just an opinion i know but their stuff is incredible. in a lot of instances the b-sides from any given album top a good number of the album tracks.
can't wait for the new album and to see them live again!
PotatoeMasher
Member
FrenchMovieTheme said:
I think we could be best friends.
Macam said:
No way would I compare them to Staind, but the Pumpkins have almost always been a reactive band. Before I say this, I want all of you to know that for many years I lived and breathed SP, but their tendency to swim in the current makes me nervous. Think about it: Adore came about during the electronica boom, so the Pumpkins made their bleeps and bloops statement. Remember all that "I hate the guitar" talk from Billy? Then, when all these Staind and Korn bands started getting big, Billy wanted to crank up the guitar and show these bands how it's done. You could make arguments for the previous three albums (Gish, SD, and MCIS), but I won't, since I believe Billy was following his muse back then. However, it seems like he got swept up in what's popluar after Mellon Collie, albeit with different results (Adore = good, Machina = not so much.) If he is still the man he was before Machina came out, I am very afraid of Zeitgeist.
P.S. Seriously, Staind and Korn and all that crap are not even in the same league as the Pumpkins, but Billy's big mouth has put them somewhere above these bands and way below Radiohead level respect. The only legitimate argument you can level at SP, in my opinion, is at the lyrics, which are pretty awful on the whole. Not that Radiohead's are brilliant (I think an album filled with direct references to 1984 is lazy), but critics love to tear at Billy's words. I've always been a great fan of the music, and I like the way his words "sound;" however, if you take them at face value, they're pretty high school.
FrenchMovieTheme
Member
radiohead hasn't made good music since 1996. the pumpkins have!
also, why do you compare machina to "heavy" music? while its true almost the entire album was drop C, that doesn't mean it has anything in common with hardcore "loud" music. songs like raindrops + sunshowers, sacred and profane, try, try, try, with every light, blue skies bring tears, etc. would not be considered loud music or trying to compete with "loud" bands.
also, why do you compare machina to "heavy" music? while its true almost the entire album was drop C, that doesn't mean it has anything in common with hardcore "loud" music. songs like raindrops + sunshowers, sacred and profane, try, try, try, with every light, blue skies bring tears, etc. would not be considered loud music or trying to compete with "loud" bands.