Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Less humans on the planet due to being eaten by rogue summons is always a good thing. At least its better than "bad" viral marketing.
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"Persona" YouTube clips getting hit by copyright claims from... a Russian actress?
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Less humans on the planet due to being eaten by rogue summons is always a good thing. At least its better than "bad" viral marketing.
I would either do "A user has stolen my videos" because the result is kinda that, "A user is harassing me on the site" since that kinda works too (making a false claim and affecting your social experience on youtube), or "A user is attacking or belittling a celebrity, country, or other YouTube user" since Atlus USA and JP have their own YouTube accounts.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
Can you still login and access your account? See if you can get to your copyright notices through here. http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_copyright
There's also http://www.youtube.com/t/copyright_counter
They have this page for if you can't access your account. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/57391?hl=en
In addition, if you don't already investing in an external HDD would be a good idea for situations like this. At least that way you still have all of your videos.
Most people on the internet who moderate/control things have a similar "insta-kill" approach.
Think about the many forums that have had drama. Eventually a mod/admin just gets frustrated and does a "I don't care what this is about or who started this you're all banned" sweep. I, and I'm sure others have as well, have seen many "fights" online when one person is totally innocent but still gets taken out in the mass-banning of everyone whose username is in the thread.
Youtube moderators and admins are probably the same. Why bother sifting through the details for hours when you can click a button and make the entire problem go away?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
It has nothing to do with moderation or administration or human man-hours and every thing to do with legal liability.
In the US, under the DMCA, if you are a website (which Youtube is), you are legally liable for copyright infringement that occurs on your site. It doesn't matter if a user uploads the data or if you do it yourself, makes no difference. You are legally liable. Viacom sued Google for a billion dollars a number of years ago because a bunch of people uploaded music to the site.
Providers have exactly one defence to this. The "safe harbour" provision allows you to to shield yourself against claims that you are legally liable. You qualify for this ONLY if you have an automated and easy process to report copyright violation AND you quickly block access to any material that a takedown notice is sent for. Providers MUST shoot first and ask questions later. They have no other option if they want legal protection. This is also why your ISP complies with idiotic copyright infringement notices it gets. Because it must.
In the US, under the DMCA, if you are a website (which Youtube is), you are legally liable for copyright infringement that occurs on your site. It doesn't matter if a user uploads the data or if you do it yourself, makes no difference. You are legally liable. Viacom sued Google for a billion dollars a number of years ago because a bunch of people uploaded music to the site.
Providers have exactly one defence to this. The "safe harbour" provision allows you to to shield yourself against claims that you are legally liable. You qualify for this ONLY if you have an automated and easy process to report copyright violation AND you quickly block access to any material that a takedown notice is sent for. Providers MUST shoot first and ask questions later. They have no other option if they want legal protection. This is also why your ISP complies with idiotic copyright infringement notices it gets. Because it must.
GeneralIroh
Member
Jeez first MGS's main theme and then the entire Persona franchise...........
Chrono Helix
Member
At least she's kinda cute...
Umm...
Scary.
Strange Journey 2. Law end was canon end.
Quixotic7B
Member
Looks like they missed most/all SMT Main Series/All Spinoffs/Parody/etc videos tagged only in JP. Also, looks like channels that only have SMT Main Series/Non-Persona spin-off series LPs/Guides/etc weren't hit either.
Giolon
Member
In a great twist, part of the reason Youtube prevailed in this case was that Viacom was found to have uploaded infringing content itself in order to file takedown claims against Youtube. It was delicious.
Still, someone needs to take this idiot down.
Late to the news.
Idiotic.
Idiotic.
I hope this case is dismissed as a sabotage attempt, which it feels like.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
What a crock
LIV Master
Neo Member
Well, for now she claims, that she has nothing to do with deleted videos, and that was a mistake, or virus, or hacking. She asks everyone to be nice and kind, and that she did everything she could to resolve the issue by writing and sending letters probably to YouTube administration. She also said, that she can't delete her account, because there are a lot of materials she needs for her job, but all of them was hide to private to avoid rude disscussions. Somehow so.
I can't stop laughing.
This whole situation is horrible. You'd think that YouTube would ask for proof for these sort of things. :C
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Hum. I wonder if she can ask anyone to have those deleted channels restored in some fashion. Though if someone already took one for the team with respect to counter-notifications, maybe they'd get their stuff restored? Who knows.
Hope she changed her password if she truly got hacked though.
It really shouldn't be that easy to have someone claim the right to one single word at all. Automation is an easy way for people to protect themselves fairly quickly because of what Stump said. The quick and dirty approach is efficient for them because no one want to be legally liable otherwise they'd be in a whole world of trouble. It's certainly an unsympathetic approach to people caught in the crossfire or wrongly accused of something like in this case. It's just irritating that no proof of ownership seems to be required in this case.
I honestly wish something can be done about this, but no changes will probably be made since YT's reporting system is substantially easier to use for people. :/
zerokoolpsx
Member
My videos aren't popular enough. No take down notices yet.
Aretak
Member
Man, this sucks. I was wondering why my Persona playlist had been absolutely decimated. I assumed it was Atlus on a takedown rampage, but to find out it's not even them doing it is worse. Sadly, I have absolutely zero faith in Youtube to resolve this correctly, and it won't bring back the videos and channels that the owners outright deleted out of fear.
Why do people have to do shitty things like this?
Why do people have to do shitty things like this?
polyh3dron
Banned
Oh she can't delete HER account because she has videos SHE needs.
I think Atlus isn't getting involved in anything that might use lawyers until the Index nonsense is done. Probably just going to live with it for now.
Nope. One of my youtube videos (news from a non-russian channe showing nothing that was even remotely copirightablel!!!) was shut down by some Russian troll.
I've responded with "are you out of your minds" and they've restored it though.
Dirk Benedict
Member
I would readily eat that dog food.
mihon
Member
This is so BS. Once I had my Youtube account banned 'cause of some anime OST videos. Since it was a sequence there were more than ten videos in a row and so I didn't have even 5 minutes to see what was going on (and delete the videos). So I guess Youtube really doesn't check for anything. If the claims reach certain amount, b-bye to your account. It is so stressful to get you account back (since you can't log anymore) it was easier to do another account. :/
As far as I can see all the partner-related videos and lets plays appear to be save, unsure about any more of the not-mainstream accounts that have suffered because of this though at of late.
NekoToshiro
Member
We should just flag all of Youtube and do a massive reset.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
That's excellent news. I hope they keep us posted.
And I hope people get their accounts back.
DracoBlade
Member
wtf is going on?
Did she buyout Atlus?
Did she buyout Atlus?
lol
Yeesh, she's really saying a lot in her comment section right now, wish I could understand what she's saying because she's made like 15 or so replies the last few hours.
Glad that Atus is aware of this though. hope it gets sorted out and my account as well as everyone else's is back in order soon.
Glad that Atus is aware of this though. hope it gets sorted out and my account as well as everyone else's is back in order soon.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
She's been saying that she isn't at fault and that she's been hacked. And she's trying to get everyone to calm down and not be jerks to her. She's within her right to do that.
Second, if you've had a claim put against you, I think you should PM her on YouTube, nicely ask her if she could retract the claims on the videos (you must supply the video URLs to her) by using the information posted here: http://www.youtube.com/yt/copyright/ru/retractions.html. I've gathered that she doesn't seem to mind reading machine-translated stuff, so it's certainly worth a try.
Agent Gibbs
Member
This is batshit crazy! lets hope now Atlus are on the case something can be done....
but as a side note, know we know you can claim to own a word on youtube....what words can we report as owning so as to take down all their video's? Bieber? Tropes? anyone for mischief?
/sarcasm
but as a side note, know we know you can claim to own a word on youtube....what words can we report as owning so as to take down all their video's? Bieber? Tropes? anyone for mischief?
/sarcasm
I've done it, I'm not sure what will happen though because I'm not even sure if retracting the claims that activated the third strike will bring back my account if it was my third strike.
Also I just realized I forgot to post a link to my original account at http://www.youtube.com/user/PhoenonX in the PM I sent her on youtube, I hope that won't be a problem.
I wondered about that, but I figured that was more Atlus wanting to keep the live clips to a minimum so they could release a DVD or a live recording CD.
sixteen-bit
Member
So this is all an elaborate Persona 5 ARG?
CrazyTank940
Member
How strange, it's raining in my area right now...
no, Atlus clearly planned this as an elaborate way to announce Persona 5. #believe, it's coming.
Starwolf_UK
Member
Things like this make me scared to use my youtube account as 3 strikes may kill my gmail (well it is a gmail that forwards to another account but I would like to keep it) and will kill my youtube subscriptions. I'm already on one strike (could get it to 0 if I just delete the offending videos, sorry SEGA that I was better at marketing videos than you...).
I wonder what large scale case it will take for Youtube to overhaul its ineffective and over zealous content ID system. There was I think a Dutch gaming site channel a while back that was claiming ad revenue on most videos of certain games because footage on their channel matched that of others (despite the footage being different).
I wonder what large scale case it will take for Youtube to overhaul its ineffective and over zealous content ID system. There was I think a Dutch gaming site channel a while back that was claiming ad revenue on most videos of certain games because footage on their channel matched that of others (despite the footage being different).
I hope they do. A common tactic copyright fakers are using is claiming content ID on public videos like NASA footage (or sometimes really niche things they do not have the right to), forcing adsense on them (this is one of the things copyright holders can do, much nicer than taking videos down) and claiming illegitimate revenue. The details of these people and their companies also seem rather made-up.
Man, I really really really hope so. I need my Persona Music Live 2012 in HD.
Not75Drops
Member
So she closed her channel?
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Oh wow, she totally did. Huh.
Wait, wouldn't that mean that people who got their accounts screwed up are left in the lurch because of that?
Wait, wouldn't that mean that people who got their accounts screwed up are left in the lurch because of that?
PotionBleue
Member
I'm pretty sure that copyright strikes eventually expire after 6 months. I've got 2 strikes a long time ago on one of my YouTube accounts and it now says (copyright strike expired) in Video Manager, while I never deleted the video. And I kept uploading videos marked as Matching third-party content / Video blocked in some countries / Video blocked worldwide.
Here it says you need to complete the Copyright School which you probably already know.
I seriously hope not, you shouldn't be able to claim a bunch of videos, screw over several accounts and then close your account for free.
Even if it's not her fault, still, wish I knew what to do but I guess I just have to trust AtlusUSA in getting this sorted out and hope my account gets out of the wreckage mostly unscathed.
BasilZero
Member
Do you have a YouTube partnership such as Fullscreen or Machinima?
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