BronsonLee
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It'd go a long way to getting him back in the mainstream though
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Shane Black: RDJ wants Mel Gibson to direct Iron Man 4
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It'd go a long way to getting him back in the mainstream though
Warm Machine
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My reasoning is that you don't dedicate a couple years of your life and your fortune to a race of somewhat primitive people living in the jungle if you think they are below your station and their story and culture isn't worth telling. It's not like he showed up drank coffee and called action. You live a movie as a director on a project like that and you have to care deeply.
Yeah his dad is batshit crazy. Mel is pretty crazy too. Telling his ex wife something horrible is also akin to Michael Richards flipping his shit in a comedy club after being heckled. Some people come up with the most abhorrent shit to say when pressed. Take Alec Baldwin ranting to his daughter. You think everything that comes out of someone's mouth is 100% true? He is obviously a terrible bully and a drunk, or at least was. He was caught out on it and has seemingly gotten help. Is the concept of forgiveness so alien we have to hold a person down to past deeds and shun them for life?
Hollywood didn't protect Gibson at all, the opposite happened. It's one guy putting in a word for his friend.
Pretty much this. He has become a bit of a running joke among his peers even, can't get through a week without a late-night show host making a joke about his anti-Semitism.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I know, but Mel should just try to make his own thing, a meaty film with RDJ as his star and confidant if he wants to regain his appeal on his own terms. That would do it, I think.
Reverend Funk
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They ought to have mel ghost-direct the movie that way I can see it and not feel guilty about supporting a shithead
timetokill
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Serious question: Do you guys think a racist person can never be rehabilitated?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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They better bring up Stark's alcoholism in the movie.
BronsonLee
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RDJ outside of Marvel isn't a guaranteed thing anymore
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Well maybe it could kill two birds with one stone, since RDJ seems to need a non-genre success and Mel is supremely talented when you just leave him and let him do his own thing
scorcher59
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What movie is this that Gibson directed and where can i watch it
BronsonLee
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I think you're potentially underestimating the Erebor level of gold RDJ is sitting on right about now because of those Marvel films
Interfectum
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Seems like a waste of talent.
So because he made a movie about non-whites than he couldn't possibly be a racist?
I guess if he isn't lynching us or burning crosses then he's not a real racist to you.
He also hasn't changed at all. Him from 1995:
Winona Ryder said:
The Maverick
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If Gibson directs, it's the first Marvel movie I don't watch.
LyleLanley
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But see his comments about African Americans, Mexicans, Jews and women are ok because he makes movies I like and Roman Polanski is beloved by assholes in Hollywood.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Put RDJ in the homeboy hall of fame.
ffejeromdiks
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I'm totally ok with this, Mel is a fantastic director and he doesn't deserve to remain blacklisted for stupid drunken remarks. As others have pointed out, we've all probably enjoyed the works of child molesters and rapists (probably more than we think given Elijah Wood's statement the other day), so why shouldn't Mel be given another shot?
Imagine all the great art we would've missed out on if we had always curated it so that only "good and worthy" people could express themselves.
Imagine all the great art we would've missed out on if we had always curated it so that only "good and worthy" people could express themselves.
HP_Wuvcraft
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I don't want to go full on "Mel Gibson is racist and hates Jews", because a lot of it could just be drunk parroting of his father. But it is pretty bad and he obviously has an anger issue. My dad has said some ridiculously hardcore racist shit and my brother, who is 100% not a racist, has parroted it while drunk just cause we've had to listen to it constantly.
Have you seen Apocalypto?That's pretty much it. And again, bloody god movie, but emphasize on the bloody.
Corronchilejano
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Disney would've loved the guy.
Yes.
I think Mel is a great director and would be wasted on im4, tbh. His next project sounds interesting and would love to see the Viking epic happen.
Ninja Scooter
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Nobody "deserves" anything. People don't want to work with him over self inflicted baggage. That's on him.
LyleLanley
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Antonio Banderas
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Is your favourite film Maverick with Mel Gibson?
BronsonLee
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Yo I fucking love that movie
Gibson or not, I don't really want an Iron Man 4. They should retire the character in Infinity War and start focusing on the new guard in phase 4 (Ant-Man 3, Doctor Strange 2, Spider-Man 2, Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2, maybe Inhumans, maybe She-Hulk or some other new characters).
I have no idea about Gibson "changing" but what does one have to do with the other? Wouldn't calling Winona Ryder an oven dodger in 1995 preclude any change he may have undergone in the last few years?
I don't think "a lot of filmmakers are terrible people, so what's the harm in indulging one more?" is exactly a winning argument.
And that art isn't free, you know. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that producers would be unwilling or at least hesitant to give millions of dollars out of their pockets to a guy who has expressed the bigoted shit Gibson has.
Pinko Marx
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Mel has some said ABSOLUTELY ABHORRENT things... But he can direct his ass off. I'd watch it without a hint of guilt.
Edit: ok I'd probably feel a bit guilty but I'd get over it.
Edit: ok I'd probably feel a bit guilty but I'd get over it.
DontBeThatGuy
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He's a grown ass man, and it goes back decades, and it's not just about Jews either. Remember, this is the the same dude that said, "if u don't stop wearing those tight pants you are going to get raped by a pack of nI**ers and it will be your fault"... to his ex, before sending her on her way to get dental work... Allegedly.
He's said some ridiculously homophobic things in the past as well, and considering how he handled Prince Edward in Braveheart, making him extremely effeminate, cowardly, and useless, only to then have his lover thrown out a damn window for comedic effect, I'm not the least bit shocked.
I'm fully convinced he's a scumbag, and that perhaps Hollywood should continue giving these jobs to people that don't have an obscene amount of baggage, and you know, actually deserve these incredible opportunities.
Bobby Roberts
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The Man Without a Face
Braveheart
The Passion of the Christ
Apocalypto
That's his filmography.
Braveheart is overlong and pretty poorly paced
The Man Without a Face is overly sentimental and hammy (also poorly paced)
The Passion of the Christ is straight up religious torture porn.
Apocalypto is a fucking amazing action movie.
I think maybe Mel Gibson's filmography isn't near as impressive as we tend to automatically give it credit for being.
That's aside from the fact he's apparently a giant piece of shit as a human being.
Braveheart
The Passion of the Christ
Apocalypto
That's his filmography.
Braveheart is overlong and pretty poorly paced
The Man Without a Face is overly sentimental and hammy (also poorly paced)
The Passion of the Christ is straight up religious torture porn.
Apocalypto is a fucking amazing action movie.
I think maybe Mel Gibson's filmography isn't near as impressive as we tend to automatically give it credit for being.
That's aside from the fact he's apparently a giant piece of shit as a human being.
DontBeThatGuy
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Agreed, 100%. I loved Braveheart when I was younger, but cooled considerably on it later in life. Sure, I REALLY wanted that Viking film after Apocalypto, but man, fuck that guy.
Yeezus H. Christ
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Mel Gibson would truly make an Iron Man that would easily hold its own as a standalone movie and be utterly fantastic. But as far as reputation goes, he's shot and Disney will never taint their goodwill to bring him on-board. RDJ has clout, but he doesn't quite have that much clout.
While he's easily better than the vast majority of MCU directors, Coogler may be able to give him a run for his money come two years.
While he's easily better than the vast majority of MCU directors, Coogler may be able to give him a run for his money come two years.
Bobby Roberts
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I dunno. If I'm looking at their first two films head to head, Coogler's already better at this than Mel was at the same point in their careers.
Yeah Braveheart is getting a lot of "I was 12 at the time" passes I think. It's good, but has enough issues to mention.
Discotheque
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meh I still really enjoy Braveheart, I can see the glaring problems it has especially with it's inaccuracies but it's a dope epic. Helps that james horner gave us arguably his best work with that too.
honestly i prefer him as an actor over director though.
honestly i prefer him as an actor over director though.
Doesn't mean that's who you want to be.
I'm down for this. Haven't really liked a Marvel film since the first IM so this might be interesting.
It's a mind altering substance. It doesn't merely "unibhibit". Some people react differently to it than others but I've seen people act like entirely different people while drunk, say things that are not at all like them, things that don't make any sense whatsoever, and sometimes just unintelligible noises. To say that alcohol simply lifts a veil to reveal a person's true self is extremely misinformed.
Xamtheking
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Why can't RDJ direct IM4
Jeffolation
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Every time I think about putting Braveheart on, I end up watching Rob Roy instead.
When it came out Braveheart was probably the coolest movie I had ever fucking seen. Like ever.
I actually haven't watched it from start to finish since seeing on the big screen. But it made a huge impact on me.
There is no reason for me to go back and tear it apart. It was what it was and on to the next thing.
It's a damn shame who Mel really is. Truly.
I actually haven't watched it from start to finish since seeing on the big screen. But it made a huge impact on me.
There is no reason for me to go back and tear it apart. It was what it was and on to the next thing.
It's a damn shame who Mel really is. Truly.
LyleLanley
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I'm not going to blame the guy for wanting to support Mel based on their friendship. But still, Fuck Mel Gibson.
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