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UTIII: Epic didn't steal user created map, unbans user from forum, GAF wipes off egg.
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Minsc said:
It doesn't really matter if it's a legal thing to do. These are people who are extremely dedicated and passionate about making extra content for the other users of the game. They basically make the game better for no extra cost to the developer.
It's a shitty thing to do to stab those people who support you in the back.
fly high ~ayunite~
Member
If I bought Epic games I would definitely be boycotting them now.
Ecchi-Time7
Banned
lol, what else can Epic do to increase their list of fail?
Agent Ironside
Member
Well after watching the video, I have to say, not enough footage, judging by the small bit, I think this guy is reaching a bit.
Minsc
Gold Member
neight said:
I agree with you 100%, and with there being a chance of this snowballing in to a humungous amount of bad PR, but this is how mods work.
If you don't realize what you make when you make mods for games isn't yours, you're being naive. The best thing you can hope for is your mods are so great that they hire you to work for them, which they're only doing because they see it as a smart investment.
Even if modders don't own shit in terms of the maps they create, if would seem like Epic would like to provide incentives for modders to create top notch maps by giving the creator a little payout and putting their name somewhere. Yeah, they don't have to by any means, but it's a total dick move of massive proportions.
I wouldn't support this shit. Funny how the 1up show from a little while back was going gaga over this map too. Just give credit where credit is due, Epic. Making your company look like something other than thieves is generally a good thing.
I wouldn't support this shit. Funny how the 1up show from a little while back was going gaga over this map too. Just give credit where credit is due, Epic. Making your company look like something other than thieves is generally a good thing.
Jtyettis said:
What because of a law, that's fuckin retarded how people think like that at times. It's theiving regardless of what the EULA says it's maybe legit to pull in a legal sense but I hardly doubt most in here are gonna dress up what it is to defend epic where they are clearly wrong.
Metalmurphy
Member
Are you joking?Agent Ironside said:
A boat, in the middle of the artic ocean, snowing, icebergs on the background, same bridge. Think it was all just a big coincidence? :lol
Roddimus_Prime
Member
Nobody's arguing they stole it in the legal sense, and probably don't care. We knew from the get-go he had no legal rights or ownership to the map. They still stole it in every other sense of the word, banned him from their forums, and are showcasing it to sell games. That's what people care about.
The Faceless Master
Member
creating boats is one thing, but creating the same boat in the same environment?Kafel said:
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Relaxed Muscle
Member
harSon said:
And why they banned him, and then they closed the thread, instead of giving an actual and logical explanation to the poor guy?.
It was that difficult to say, "It's just a coincidence, actually the map design is totally different, only the setting is the same",
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
Member
I call for a boycot.
very lame.
very lame.
Agent Ironside
Member
Setting is the only thing I see in common really, seriously, lets just say they both stole it from infinity wards shipment and call it a day.
Ninja Kn1ght
Member
They said the best user mods would be in the game. They never said they would give credit for them. 
Bluemercury
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Ecchi-Time7 said:
Keep trolling the wii? OH wait....:\
Shake Appeal
Member
See also: a level in Splinter Cell, Half-Life Episode 3.squicken said:
charlequin
Banned
It's not actually legally possible for Epic to distribute tools that stipulate that they have full legal ownership over any content that you create with them, regardless of what nonsense they stuff into the EULA. Copyright-wise, at best they can cause your mod to be a derivative work of their original game, something which you both own copyright on (and which neither of you can use for other purposes without properly compensating the other.) If they actually tried to claim such a right, in fact, they'd be opening themselves up for trouble -- since they don't actually censor the content of mods, they'd be making themselves complicit in copyright-violating mods like the Master Chief one that got so much play a few weeks ago.
This whole affair doesn't reflect that well on Epic at all. It's possible that their map really isn't a violation of his -- but by silencing and banning him, they've pretty much assured that everyone will assume it is, and they pretty much deserve all the backlash that'll generate because of their lousy handling of the situation.
This whole affair doesn't reflect that well on Epic at all. It's possible that their map really isn't a violation of his -- but by silencing and banning him, they've pretty much assured that everyone will assume it is, and they pretty much deserve all the backlash that'll generate because of their lousy handling of the situation.
Imperial Hot
Banned
That's what I am thinking.Masta_Killah said:
People are already talking about boycotting? :lol :lol Are you guys simply responding to the title? Outside of the arctic ship setting (SUE TITANIC, SUE) the maps have nothing in common. It's been roughly a month and a half since the modders release, I really doubt Epic had a map completed enough for show in a month and a half.
I'm not defending Epic, because I hate 90% of all they do, but this isn't THAT big of a deal.
It's not like they stole the guys texture work or even a map layout. It's just a setting. Just because I made a WWII map based around a European city on the HL engine, is every DoD map ripping me off, thereafter?
What Epic should have done is gone to the guy (Hey, we like your idea. Would you like to have some compensation and a credit when we realease an official map?)
I have seen times where the users are dicks and demand more money or refuse to allow the company to change their work (Day of Defeat's "Hobofire" comes to mind). So, there really could be more to this story.
It's not like they stole the guys texture work or even a map layout. It's just a setting. Just because I made a WWII map based around a European city on the HL engine, is every DoD map ripping me off, thereafter?
What Epic should have done is gone to the guy (Hey, we like your idea. Would you like to have some compensation and a credit when we realease an official map?)
I have seen times where the users are dicks and demand more money or refuse to allow the company to change their work (Day of Defeat's "Hobofire" comes to mind). So, there really could be more to this story.
Kabuki Waq
Member
there must be more to this story. I dont think Epic would screw over someone without explanation.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
That's what I was thinking.FightyF said:
Agent Ironside
Member
Also depends on how the guy is reacting as well, to whether Epic is going to give him the time of day.
I still say COD4 Shipment.
INFINITY WARD, multiplayer GODS.
I still say COD4 Shipment.
INFINITY WARD, multiplayer GODS.
TheRagnCajun
Member
I wouldn't demonize Epic for 'copying' a modder's map. They only copied the idea, not the actual level data. That makes them unoriginal, not Hitler. Now, the fact that they banned the mod creator from the forums, that makes Epic a bunch of douches. A bunch of unoriginal douches.
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