MedievalManIII
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inner-G said:
I bought the Unreal Deal Pack over Steam a week ago.
Boycatt failed.
Go Red Orchestra!
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I was being sarcastic, I love UTIII.
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UTIII: Epic didn't steal user created map, unbans user from forum, GAF wipes off egg.
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I bought the Unreal Deal Pack over Steam a week ago.
Boycatt failed.
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The Faceless Master
Member
you know what, after looking at more pics oh his mod and the video with epic's map, they really don't look very much alike, other than the setting...
Relaxed Muscle
Member
chris0701 said:
And instead owning him showing the actual layouts of your level and get the people get some laughs with him, you ban him, and eliminate any lefts of that claiming covering all, making everything more suspicious.
Yeah, way to go.
Zombie James
Banned
Well, that's an interesting way to support mods on the 360...
titiklabingapat
Member
It's like a virus...
You steal their DNA and kill the host cell.
You steal their DNA and kill the host cell.
MedievalManIII
Member
Is Epic's version of the map out for PC yet? I want to compare the two.
Agent Icebeezy
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Second said:
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MWS Natural
Member
Well Epic sure showed Microsoft who's boss.
johnFkennedy
Member
I fucking hate epic,but I did enjoy their smash hit Gears of War. Now available exclusively for the Xbox 360.
charlequin
Banned
chris0701 said:
Again, EULAs can't actually make an end run around basic copyright law. No tool can require the person who uses it to give up their rights to the material created with that tool.
Even an extremely superficial examination of the history of modding would reveal to you that companies consistently pay in order to "officialize" mods that they like, not because they want to but because they have to.
Scottlarock
Banned
I like Gears, and will be buying #2. that is all.
hopefully this will be ongoing. i have a feeling it wasn't necessarily planned like this from the higher ups, and i hope it ends up getting spoken about by mark rein (if it hasn't already).
it's obviously not the most honest move on epic's part, but it really is a lot like what the mod community does for other games. official maps from all sorts of games get remade as user created maps, so it's not like i'm totally appalled by epic reversing it. i just think they should give more credit to the original author.
it will be interesting if there's a way for the map author to have the law on his side of this and he pursue it.
edit: i do want to see more accurate map comparisons though. if it's just the theme, this doesn't even deserve a thread.
it's obviously not the most honest move on epic's part, but it really is a lot like what the mod community does for other games. official maps from all sorts of games get remade as user created maps, so it's not like i'm totally appalled by epic reversing it. i just think they should give more credit to the original author.
it will be interesting if there's a way for the map author to have the law on his side of this and he pursue it.
edit: i do want to see more accurate map comparisons though. if it's just the theme, this doesn't even deserve a thread.
Giganticus
Member
Wow, and to think I was about to buy UT3 so I could play mods on it. I feel that a lot of those mods in progress are about to dry up.
FromTheFuture
Member
Well the map thing is questionable but banning him for no given reason doesn't give you any room to defend Epic.
Agent Ironside
Member
Really, the only people that seem to be making a big deal are the ones that hate Epic to begin with, just something for them to take and run with is all im seeing here.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Minsc said:
No excuse, look how valve treats the the stars of their modding community; giving them a wage, helping them set up studious and getting their mods developed and published as full titles. Epic doesn't look great in comparison by taking content and wielding their ban hammer.
The Faceless Master
Member
well, if you made a map with a boat in the arctic, and some kid also made a map with a boat in the arctic, and he's on your forums screaming about how you stole his map, would you NOT ban him?xlildragonxod said:
i can't wait until someone complains about them stealing a map on a spaceship in space... or a floating castle in the sky...
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Which piece of software is this EULA attached to? Did this person lose rights by using Epic's tools? If I used Softimage XSI to build a map, then used plug-ins to port it to several different games, would the developers of those games have to play Russian roulette to determine who had the rights? Maybe rock-paper-scissors?
GenericPseudonym
Banned
Modders piss all over copyright laws because their mods don't make a profit, and then bitch about their rights to the stuff they modded?
Agent Ironside
Member
MrKyle said:Wet Work is the map that takes place on the boat, not Shipment. I would know, I own the game for PS3, XBOX360, and PC.
Ahhh I knew I was off, well, it only made sense in my mind :/
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
Epic hasn't done anything wrong,
If the layout was the same he'd have a point but just the weater and the location, fuck him
If the layout was the same he'd have a point but just the weater and the location, fuck him
Super_Chicken
Member
I can't wait until after the game hits 360 and people creat any exclusive 360 maps for the pc and ps3 version. I also can't wait to see user created pc and 360 versions show up as DLC on the 360 for $$$:lol .
Also why wouldn't they just touch his up and give him credit for it. They wouldn't even have to pay him. Send him an email saying his map will be featured in the 360 version, point to the EULA saying they own it, and put his name in the credits to make it look cool from his angle.
This makes absolutely no sense. Why draw bad publicity before launching this game and gears in the fall.
Also why wouldn't they just touch his up and give him credit for it. They wouldn't even have to pay him. Send him an email saying his map will be featured in the 360 version, point to the EULA saying they own it, and put his name in the credits to make it look cool from his angle.
This makes absolutely no sense. Why draw bad publicity before launching this game and gears in the fall.
FromTheFuture
Member
Well the thing is no explanation was given, so the situation is free to interpretation. Some may interpret that he was banned because his idea was stolen, and like many people on GAF, they dont like it. The only reason that most people think as much is because of the sheer coincidence in which he was randomly banned after he complained about his map being stolen.The Faceless Master said:
Maybe. Guess we'll never know.harSon said:
charlequin
Banned
GenericPseudonym said:
What the fuck? :lol :lol :lol
Copyright protection, and copyright violation, have nothing to do with profit. As the creator of an artistic work, you own the rights to that work (or you are one of several owners, for derivative works or co-creatorship) at the instant you create it, and you have the right to do whatever you want with it. You can give it away for free, you can charge $1000 for it, whatever you want.
Similarly, infringement is still illegal, regardless of whether the original work, the infringing work, both, or neither, was sold for money.
Death_Born
Banned
OMFG, they stole Wet Work from him, and moved it to a different game!!1!! Infinity Ward is teh evil!!!!!!
It's fights on boats people. How diverse could it get?
It's fights on boats people. How diverse could it get?
NekoFever
Member
Funny, we were just discussing this kind of thing in the Shinblade aftermath thread.Speevy said:
Change the setting from a ship to an oil rig and it looks a hell of a lot like Blackout from the new Halo 3 map pack as well. Take away the ice and it looks like the opening level/Wet Work map from COD4. Late night arctic shipping settings the new bloom lighting?Shake Appeal said:
Ken Masters
Banned
so Epic is going to make money of a guys work, and they don't give him any credit and ban his ass?
not surprised at all
not surprised at all
GenericPseudonym said:
That's only partially true as is the case with the Spacemarine or Old MGS 4 Snake player models. In those cases the owner of that content is the respective copyright owner of the original.
But if you make original content then this belongs to you. To quote charlequin : "
Again, EULAs can't actually make an end run around basic copyright law. No tool can require the person who uses it to give up their rights to the material created with that tool."
If it did it wouldn't stand a chance in court. Copyright Law is very strict in that matter... fortunately.
B_Rik_Schitthaus said:
Seriously. It's a cargo boat in the middle of the fucking arctic.
Do you guys really want to tell me this guy invented cargo ships? And the Arctic?
No? Then STFU.
If the layout was EXACTLY the same, and they were ripping off his art assets, then you might have a point. But it isn't and they aren't.
NeoGAF groupthink stupidity at its best.
Zezboob said:
That's not true. It's very clear that Epic behaved lousily. The matter isn't even really the "they stole it from him" but rather... he said they did, they banned him and deleted all his post dealing with this subject matter.
That's an awful reaction, that's clear and speaks very badly for a company. In an average business, such news could seriously endanger you relations with your other partners. They are so lucky that this is "just" the modding community and the people who just leech the stuff and profit from it will mostly shrug. Just one mod less to download, so what?
I'm interested to see if anything will come from this.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Not enough evidence. I'd need to see both maps side by side to accurately judge.
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