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Vehicle plows into counter protesters in Charlottesville

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Oriel

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+1. The ACLU's actions are consistent with their mission. They defend the right of free expression, no matter how abhorrent. This has always been their position. If you're not comfortable with that you definitely should donate your $$$ elsewhere, because the ACLU is not your friend.

Excuse me but that's a fucking moronic position by the ACLU. Don't think for a second that these Nazi fucks who's rights they defend wouldn't have them up against a wall the second they took power. The exact same thing happened in Germany where centrists tried to debate and reason with the NSDAP, we all know where they ended up.
 

Audioboxer

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I live in Asia so opening up the Politico link and seeing this pic was...quite something

I'm aware of open-carry laws in the US but these guys are rocking body armor and ballistic helmets. I can understand having a pistol on yourself for protection, but assault rifles, armor and helmets? What the fuck is their intention going outdoors dressed like that? Going to a protest dressed like this sends a very clear message, and tbh I was surprised there weren't more deaths today.

My condolences to the lady who died today. The US has a very serious problem and what with Trump's response to this whole thing, it's clearly only going to get much worse before (if?) it gets better. Stay safe.

edit: my 4 year-old kid just walked into the room as I was posting this and he saw the pic..."Daddy are they army men?" I didn't even have the heart to explain who they were

Yeah, it is something seeing that. In most other civilised western countries you'd be stopped and/or arrested trying to walk around like that in public. Again, there is no point in turning this into a big guns debate, but when you've got people with the ideologies these guys do being able to walk around in body armour and carrying assault rifles it really should bring into question "are we the ones who are out of touch with reality here?". Protest, dissent, and so on is still legal and tolerated in most democracies that have debated the responsibilities of Government around guns and decided maybe anything shouldn't go? A step forward for America should maybe be addressing the rifles and armour, first, before all-out gun reform. Small steps, but even those get met with insane hostility, such as looking at anything Obama tried to say or do around gun reform. You're tackling a hydra with many heads and an insane amount of funding/support.

You've really got to think it's only a matter of time before situations like this where we're now seeing bloodshed erupt into a full-scale gun war. Then again, that's a civil war and it appears some are calling for that. The whole situation is fucked and hard for outsiders of the country to look in at and come up with solutions as to what can be done. Someone earlier in this topic did say between a certain era Nazi demonstrations were banned in America? Is this true? If anyone follows my post history I'm a pretty big advocate for free speech and protections against Governments being big brothers where they can arrest, shutdown and control all speech. However, I have routinely said I do believe in SOME hate speech protections and I think most people could be swayed to allow a minimum of Government intervention to stop Nazi demonstrations. This is why I say it's not the ACLU's fault (they merely fairly uphold what the law is), but the Government/politicians and political parties of the country to hash out law/reform/bills/etc.
 

Thinking back on all the posts (not here, but like, twitter, imgur, etc) I've seen over the previous year or so talking about how it was on protesters if something were to happen involving a car because they chose to be an inconvenience and get in the way.

This is that mindset made real. Not so clever now, is it?
 

JORMBO

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Just reading up on all this and going through the pictures/videos. Very disgusting rally and response from Trump. The people holding this rally should have no place in our society. We should not be seeing nazi flags being walked down a street in 2017.
 
This is looking like open warfare. I agree with others saying this may be a turning point in the social climate.


The cruel irony is that I bet the majority of these dudes grandfathers would cut their fucking dicks off for celebrating this nazi shit. Its fucking insane how real the fucking 'Hail Hydra' concept is.

Then again, we did let a lot of nazis go, adopt their technology, grab their riches..... of course the ideology would remain.
 

Malleymal

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This country is working on borrowed time. This feels like the beginning of something dangerous. This is worse than the back and forth sabre rattling between trump and NK. People are up in arms and we are only 8 months into this train ride.
 
Y'all heading for a second civil war.

This time it's because moderates chose to stand by and let these Nazi fucks skitter out from under their rocks.

I hope everyone who is identified at that rally loses their job or is expelled from their university. No more free speech bullshit.
 

y2dvd

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Excuse me but that's a fucking moronic position by the ACLU. Don't think for a second that these Nazi fucks who's rights they defend wouldn't have them up against a wall the second they took power. The exact same thing happened in Germany where centrists tried to debate and reason with the NSDAP, we all know where they ended up.

It really isn't though. It's unfortunate who they defending are, but they are defending the rights and not necessarily the individual's ideology. You have to make that distinction.
 
Thinking back on all the posts (not here, but like, twitter, imgur, etc) I've seen over the previous year or so talking about how it was on protesters if something were to happen involving a car because they chose to be an inconvenience and get in the way.

This is that mindset made real. Not so clever now, is it?
Those posts happened on GAF too. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the videos.
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
Very disheartening. Having lived in the Austin area for so long, the memory of living in the old South with casual country racism is faint. But it was there, dormant like a hatred volcano and Trump has awakened it.

At least the local and Lexington government responses have been more presidential.
 
Y'all heading for a second civil war.
This country is working on borrowed time. This feels like the beginning of something dangerous. This is worse than the back and forth sabre rattling between trump and NK. People are up in arms and we are only 8 months into this train ride.
No need for hysterics. These Nazis are in no way a majority, or even a large minority, of citizens in America. A civil war isn't going to happen. At the veeeery worst, a small band of neo-Nazis tries to take on the cops or something, and gets steamrolled by the National Guard.
 

Juicy Bob

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We need to confront anyone feeding into the Nazi/white supremacist narrative that they are somehow victims or the ones being oppressed by the talk of punching Nazis, etc.

That's how they are actively trying to make weak-willed people sympathetic to them and their cause.

Nazi ideology and white supremacist ideology are not legitimate political positions. They are centred around the desire to exterminate certain demographics from our society.

We need to stress this at all times.
 

TyrantII

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This time it's because moderates chose to stand by and let these Nazi fucks skitter out from under their rocks.

I hope everyone who is identified at that rally loses their job or is expelled from their university. No more free speech bullshit.

Too simple.

It's the no shows, 48% of voters that don't vote. It's the Bernie bros that wanted this, for things to get worse so a Dem socialist utopia would magically form (don't forget the numbers Clinton lost by in some states, spreads smaller than Gore 2000). Its Clinton for running a neutered campaign and being too cautious.

Most of all it's the GOP that have appeased and used white nationalist rhetoric to define an "other" and focus their bases fear and tribalism on. White Nationalists and the KKK long ago muted their message and slid into their ranks to spread their vile views when they aligned with GOP power brokers that thought they could control it. Now Frankensteins monster has other ideas.
 

Audioboxer

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No need for hysterics. These Nazis are in no way a majority, or even a large minority, of citizens in America. A civil war isn't going to happen. At the veeeery worst, a small band of neo-Nazis tries to take on the cops or something, and gets steamrolled by the National Guard.

You'll get piled on with many saying every Republican voter is a Nazi. While I do think that is hyperbole, it's still rather disappointing to see any "Western superpower" with small pockets of "civil war". To tackle that you then need to look at what holds back progress in America, and it routinely does seem to be right-wing voting and hysterics around gun control and a country in 2017 not doing more to tackle ideologies as harmful as you can get. Islamic terrorism is harmful? Well, we better do all we can! White supremacy and Nazi ideologies are harmful? Well, it's complicated. It shouldn't be complicated.

Some might be going to sleep thinking 50% of the country is literally going to be violently fighting the other 50%. That won't happen, no need to hide in your bunker just yet. The vast majority of people are not going to get violent and start killing as that is not going to achieve anything in their lives. Not to mention it just ends up with them in prison or killed in action. However, as I just said, tackling the overall issues sees a lot of circumstantial blame laid on people who keep voting in ways that allow the status quo. Find me Republicans who support gun reform. There might be a small amount, but there's not enough and America is indeed a country with a gun problem. Find me Republicans going in as much as some Democrats are about this attack. There might be a small amount, but routinely it isn't enough. America currently has a right-wing Government in charge, so you'll routinely see right-wing ways of handling situations like this and it's often not pretty.

So while you might not see a country wide civil war, you might end up seeing civilians slaughtering civilians whilst a Government in control of the country makes a mess of actually being a civilised, Western, liberal democracy. That's incredibly embarrassing and while many countries looking on are imperfect and with their own problems, sometimes some shade from those countries/civilians is indeed justified when they echo "we might have problems, but we're not that fucked up". No country is without racists, supremacists and terrorists, but others do a much better job of America with handling them.
 

GSG Flash

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No need for hysterics. These Nazis are in no way a majority, or even a large minority, of citizens in America. A civil war isn't going to happen. At the veeeery worst, a small band of neo-Nazis tries to take on the cops or something, and gets steamrolled by the National Guard.

The problem is that there are almost 63 million Americans who support or, at the very least, condone the behaviour of Donald Trump. This is a man who has made more than just questionable statements that add fuel to the Neo Nazi and white supremacist fire.
 

Pbae

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See, violence on many sides. So much for the tolerant left.

Too soon bruh.

And if you're being serious, there's a difference between protesting for acceptance, unity, and denouncement of radical ideologies that go contrary to what America stands for and fucking Nazi who....idk fucking committed mass genocide.
 
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