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Sony: geohot is altering evidence and fleeing to South America, Geohot: No I'm not
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Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
PaperBoy_JJ said:
Because a college kid isn't necessarily getting sued into oblivion, and then taking donations to pay for the lawsuit but possibly spending it on a vacation.
IchigoSharingan
Member
If allowed to make guesses, I'll say he fled to S.A. and made sure his hard drives can't be read, so Sony will never know how he ripped into their security.
He probably has backups in S.A., friends letting him live there, and will continue hacking.
He probably has backups in S.A., friends letting him live there, and will continue hacking.
Mama Robotnik
Member
C Jones said:
Good questions.
The donation (not a lot of money I might add, but that's neither here or there) came about because of building frustration over what a Sony victory would lead to. I think this was coupled by (in previous threads) a terrifying number of gamers supporting and cheerleading on as Sony tried to remove their rights. It was (and is) a maddening, frustrating experience to see people support their own consumer freedom's being redefined for the worse. It was coupled with another infuriating phenomenon, people cheering Sony on as they removed their own privately-owned product's functionality with OtherOS. I don't think there's been anything in the industry as abhorent, and as frustrating as these events, at least to me.
When the donations were asked for, an opportunity presented itself in which I could potentially help influence that outcome of this madness in some tiny way. It requred me to assume that George would use the money as promised, to fight his corner and (consequently) not allow Sony their worrying victory on this matter.
I didn't and still don't believe Geohot is trustworthy, responsible or likeable. As said many times, its a shame that he's the person targeted by Sony's legal onslaught, because under any other circumstances I wouldn't care if he won or lost anything. But even with the possibility of him doing something untoward with the funds, I still felt it was worth the risk. Even if this recent story has any merit, I still don't regret that decision in any way.
PetriP-TNT said:
If you find me ignorant then enlighten me.
Geohot is in South America, I'm not pretending to know how or why. I'd like some evidence to inform a conclusion. If you'd like to lift my naivety, you could provide me evidence to help me reach your conclusion. That would be an argument, something we don't see enough of in a thread full of uninformed comments about apparent fraud and comments about an irrelevant rap video that people make because they think it makes a point.
Chacranajxy said:
Happy to be labelled a clown, if that's the given name for someone who likes to complete a conclusion based on evidence rather than just reading the thread title and going from there.
lifa-cobex
Member
Angry Fork said:
I do agree that i might be jumping a bit to far but as i said.
lifa-cobex said:
Plus if he is absolutely stone broke as i was lead to believe when he was asking people for donations, I don't see how him going on holiday is a good idea.
If he's 21 and having his parents pay for EVERYTHING and yet still has a pop at Sony while asking for handouts. It just makes him look like a tit.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Something tells me that explanation won't hold up too well in court.Nairume said:
Treefingers
Member
Jenga said:
Really all you need to do is to be sued by a multi-billion dollar corporation.
Angry Fork
Member
I'm of the opinion that these kinds of things change over time based on what's popular/going on during that time period. So even if Sony won this case, i'm not convinced it would stand for long. We're constantly becoming more technology savvy each new generation and 5+ years from now a new generation of people will try to hack the next console, but they'll have an even better defense force and so on, and whatever pro-Sony ruling is made now will be changed.phosphor112 said:
These kinds of corporations vs. hacker stuff isn't going to fly anymore. Hackers will always be ahead of the curb and the ever growing abundance of technology in our daily lives will only help/nurture that culture as time goes on. Right now we're in a transitioning period, inbetween the old days where you'd buy a console just to play games and that's it, transitioning into an era where we want our devices to do everything possible, and younger people will know what these devices are capable of.
tl;dr version - If Sony wins, it won't last long (like banning gay marriage, it's just a product of the times and it will be overturned eventually, I know that's a ridiculous analogy, but meh =p). If Sony loses, then people will be able to do what they want with their consoles and that's that.
RustyNails
Member
And I thought people defending Sony were coming up with ridiculous analogies.Zoe said:
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Mama Robotnik said:
You have the evidence. You should consider deductive reasoning.
Mithos
Member
Chacranajxy said:
You guys are REALLY scaring me...Curufinwe said:
What you are saying is pretty much you can't do whatever you want with your stuff, because someone sometime in the future might sue you and that it might be called tampering with evidence if you are not running the hardware the way "most" usually does.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Mithos said:
Clearly
phosphor112
Banned
Grants and loans can be used however you want, though taking donation money for a certain cause and using it for something else is probably fraud or something of that nature.PaperBoy_JJ said:
lifa-cobex
Member
darkwing said:
If he has travel money, That should go towards to he legal fee's first. Saving prior to the case or not.
Mama Robotnik
Member
Chacranajxy said:
Show me deductive reasoning.
Seriously, you think I'm naive, then make an effort to educate me. Convince me that you are right.
Valkyr Junkie
Member
Ironically geohot's PS3 came from South America.
Melchiah said:
Why are you inferring something that isn't being implied
in the bolded you quoted the first time and is again bolded here
Melchiah said:
From what you're posting they do - I'm not talking about the tampering, that shit is obvious. Unless they PROVE
which this doesn't without assumption
phosphor112
Banned
Angry Fork said:
As someone going into Media Arts and Sciences, I only think things will get harder for consumers. Not necessarily taking away their rights, but as I've mentioned before, convergence of all media forms onto devices put companies and people at risk when security is breached. Hell, the government is already wanting to switch to RFID's on our ID cards... security is only going to be more and more relevant to our lives.
I can't help but think it took you 10 minutes of starring at these pages to think of something witty to say. :lolGavinGT said:
It's ok, I'd be in that same boat =P
RedNumberFive
Banned
After reading some of the bigger gaming blog's take on this story, I'm reminded yet again of what a joke "games jornalism" is.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Mama Robotnik said:
You've proven time and again in this thread and prior ones that you are unwilling to listen or even consider other people's positions. I see no point in this.
Mama Robotnik
Member
Chacranajxy said:
So you tell me I need to consider deductive reasoning.
I ask you to show the deductive reasoning because I want to consider it.
You say no, because I won't consider deductive reasoning.
You are an amazing poster, Chacranajxy, one in a million.
PaperBoy_JJ
Neo Member
Not all financial aid has to be paid back there are grants, scholar ships and various other means of financial aid. The financial aid some times comes from tax payers much like the people who donated money to his cause. It is just regulated by the government or some other organization. Aid is aid, be it in the form or a donation or a grant or what ever it may be. Is he also supposed to only eat off the dollar menu because he accepted donations from people? What do you mean he got a steak last night for dinner I gave him 10 bucks to help with his legal fees
Come on people.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I don't hate him and have no real investment in this as I don't own a PS3 or in fact any sony devices that I can think of.Angry Fork said:
I have said in another thread, the PS3 was the first real 'unhackable' console and it held out the promise of a completely closed system. Not only that, but Sony did a lot of the right things like including linux and not region locking games. For some, myself included, the idea of a truly closed system is actually something worthwhile - it provides the stable platform that consoles are meant to be - the hardware is provided at a deep discount precisely because of the closed nature.
The grey area comes in when they removed otheros from the slims and then retroactively removed it from old PS3's. The timeline and reasons for doing this, relative to the hacking attempts and methods are a little unclear as to which drove which.
googleplex
Member
Welcome to software licensing agreements?ape2man said:
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Mama Robotnik said:
Many people have deduced that he probably used the money donated for his legal fees to pay for at least part of his vacation. That's not an unreasonable conclusion given the evidence. What you refuse to do is to do anything other than spout again and again that you can't conclude anything, because nothing has objectively, 100% proven that he has spent the money that way. You're acting as though reaching any sort of conclusion based on reasoning is impossible. And that's the problem.
Angry Fork
Member
Yea I do see your point. The amount of potential in future devices will make hackers want to hack it, but at the same time will make companies work harder to enforce strict laws so they can protect their investment and so on.phosphor112 said:
I guess it just comes down to how much time/money these companies are willing to put up with in order to stop this kinda stuff. It's definitely troubling though. I don't necessarily care too much about jailbreaking as long as the devices have what I need BUT I do support it because I believe people should be able to do what they want with their system. Cheating online should be managed by the company who made the game or they should have some kind of mandatory punkbuster-like program in future consoles.
I really think Sony (and other console makers in general) need to consider a system like Steam. Give deals to people while keeping the console open source. You can let people do what they want but the majority of people will also buy their games because Steam is convenient and highly user friendly. These corporations are going to have to give up some control eventually or the nazi tactics will just get worse I suppose.
ElectricBlanketFire
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