Maleficence
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In that case I can categorically say that Uncharted 2/3, Gow 3, Killzone 3, GoW 3 etc all look much better than that Wii U demo. It's not even close.
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Would you be happy if "Next-Gen" games looked like this ?
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In that case I can categorically say that Uncharted 2/3, Gow 3, Killzone 3, GoW 3 etc all look much better than that Wii U demo. It's not even close.
Wait. Let's just make this clear:
You're asking if we'd be happy if next-gen looked like something *far in advance* of what is even *remotely* realistic?
Why, gosh, I would! I'd also be happy if my next television was holographic, my next meal was an 18-course banquet and my next car a Veyron.
(This is of course avoiding the fact that that sort of graphics would price the vast majority of smaller companies completely out of the market, but no-one ever really seems to give a shit about that side of things)
LiquidMetal14
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I'm surprised we're seeing more Zelda shots that legitimate shots of great looking games we have right now on PC. It's only going to get better too. I suspect that having a 7970 equivalent card will run most next gen games at least at 30fps. Unless Sony throws a wrench in and has an amazing ARM based GPU.
Give it about 4xSSAA and then we're talking. I see no reason why that can't happen if it has a great modern GPU. By modern, I mean a 6970 or better GPU. If the Vita is any indicator, we may be seeing some great HW but not at a great cost.
Give it about 4xSSAA and then we're talking. I see no reason why that can't happen if it has a great modern GPU. By modern, I mean a 6970 or better GPU. If the Vita is any indicator, we may be seeing some great HW but not at a great cost.
Projectjustice
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Would you be happy if "Next-Gen" games looked like this ? In Real time ? As in, these FMV scenes would be in-game actually happening as you play graphics.
I would. Square Enix makes beautiful FMV's and I would absolutely be pumped if next-gen games were rendered in real time this beautifully.
It wont with that 6600 in the Xbox 720. lol
WTF, I did not know this was real time. I thought the Wii U was going to have 360 graphics.
Sweet.
Jaded Alyx
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I'd love to know where this came from.
Well, I thought that the demos where target renders or something that were overselling the capabilities of the system. (ala Kilzone 2, Motorstorm etc.)
Then they showed all of the ps3/360 games that were being ported over, and I assumed that this would be what to expect.
As a side note, it was in 1080p as well!?!
I doubt we will get IQ or art direction that looks anywhere near as good, but hopefully the lighting will approach that level of quality.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
What have you chaps to say about Crysis excellence [PC, maximal settings] for the consoles, in the forthcoming generation?
A slideshow?.
This is true graphic power!
Out of Working Order
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*is easily pleased*
I've only just noticed that Navi whizzes off to where the bricks are falling from the roof!
If my Zelda looks like that in the future, then I'll be a happy bunny.
You people need to get off the 60 fps/1080p train. It won't happen. 1080p has a shot for some games but 60 fps is just not happening, give it up now. It's an unrealistic expectation.
I'm hoping we get BF3 PC level graphics next gen, but really I'm hoping for a mass breakthrough on animation and facial animation. It's tough going from something like LA Noire or even Uncharted 3 on a lesser scale to pretty much any other game, it's a big step down in graphics, facial and normal animation. While I'm not sure how much higher we can go in graphics, there's plenty of room in other forms of realism like animation and AI.
I'm hoping we get BF3 PC level graphics next gen, but really I'm hoping for a mass breakthrough on animation and facial animation. It's tough going from something like LA Noire or even Uncharted 3 on a lesser scale to pretty much any other game, it's a big step down in graphics, facial and normal animation. While I'm not sure how much higher we can go in graphics, there's plenty of room in other forms of realism like animation and AI.
Not worse but not something that would stand out significantly against current AAA games either. Uncharted 3 is better looking IMO.
ThatObviousUser
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What part of "is easily pleased" didn't you understand?
Besides that the lighting is really nice.
TheJollyCorner
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A slideshow?.
This is true graphic power!
No way we are going to achieve that kind of success with the next consoles, graphically speaking.
Im happy with how they look now, I just want them to PLAY better. Gears looks so amazing yet when monsters die they suddenly weigh 2 pounds and get tangled in my feet like spaghetti. Same in Dark Souls. Im tired of watching faces load in cut scenes. Get that shit right before you move forward gaming industry.
GAMING industry. They focus on the wrong shit sometimes.
And gamers stop asking for bullshit. I remember there was a thread like this before and people kept asking that EVERY building be fully fleshed out and explorable in open world games. What the fuck for? And stop bitching when blades of grass arent perfect. Such a waste of time and resources.
GAMING industry. They focus on the wrong shit sometimes.
And gamers stop asking for bullshit. I remember there was a thread like this before and people kept asking that EVERY building be fully fleshed out and explorable in open world games. What the fuck for? And stop bitching when blades of grass arent perfect. Such a waste of time and resources.
Haha, yeah, that is peculiar.
It's kind of a tricky problem. if you give them too much weight you'd keep getting caught up on all the corpses on the ground.
Current gen like graphics with better resolution and AA would be fine. I'd prefer if they used any extra power for animations, interactivity of the world, AI, etc.
AndyMoogle
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I don't really mind it in Gears 3 since that's already an over-the-top action game anyway. In Dark Souls it can be distracting and annoying though.
The biggest offenders are Dead Space 1 and 2. Not only are the dead bodies shitty ragdolls, they also make a lot of noise when you walk over them. It's extremely distracting and it really kills the mood.
The Albatross
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My brain is poisoned. I can't help looking at screens anymore and being like, "oh, those are CG cut scenes..." and not think of it as actual gameplay.
thetrin
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Better hardware is used for a lot more than just better graphics.
I had that issue in Bioshock as well. Not sure if you remember but simply brushing pass an object would cause it to launch across the room sometimes. Not only was it annoying, but it also scared the living shit out of me sometimes because it made me think someone else was in the room.
Net_Wrecker
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Man.....some of you guys must be blind and/or crazy. Calling those CG shots underwhelming and expecting BETTER than that next gen, saying the PS360 could put out that Wii-U Zelda tech demo......People should stop drinking before they post.
EatChildren
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IQ is weird. What gets people (or me) most, I feel, is density and complexity of objects on screen. As in, huge scale, draw distances, and a whole lot of shit going on and it all looking good.
When you start cutting stuff out of the image for a closer, personal shot, a lot of impact in graphical leaps is lost. Take those FF XIII CGI clips. I know they're technically superior, and I can see they're technically superior, but my jaw does not drop at a close-up of Lightning, because a similar level of IQ on a screen can and has been achieved on modern games.
Honestly, there's some stuff in The Witcher 2 that envokes similar feelings to that Triace demo. Objects aren't as smooth, the lighting and shadows are rougher, and textures aren't quite as detailed, but we're getting there. We're not comparing a N64 game anymore. We can achieve incredible graphical fidelity that, in my opinion, borderlines on high end CG, all when the cards are played right (mostly the art, hardware and angle of the shot).
Pull the camera back for those wide views and then we start seeing the big weaknesses of all graphical processors, and the huge difference between a high end technically impressive modern game and pre-render CG. Same goes with density of intricate details, like shots of forests. Anything scene with a lot of flora is a good benchmark for how powerful hardware can be, and how realistic we can make our images.
Then there's animation, but that's a bit of a grey area, because though it significantly improves the presentation of a game, you cant really brute force it like post processing or graphical effects. Animators must meticulously animate everything themselves, and that comes down to time, money, and skill. Unless we dig into procedural, physics based animation, but that only covers a small portion of what games require.
When you start cutting stuff out of the image for a closer, personal shot, a lot of impact in graphical leaps is lost. Take those FF XIII CGI clips. I know they're technically superior, and I can see they're technically superior, but my jaw does not drop at a close-up of Lightning, because a similar level of IQ on a screen can and has been achieved on modern games.
Honestly, there's some stuff in The Witcher 2 that envokes similar feelings to that Triace demo. Objects aren't as smooth, the lighting and shadows are rougher, and textures aren't quite as detailed, but we're getting there. We're not comparing a N64 game anymore. We can achieve incredible graphical fidelity that, in my opinion, borderlines on high end CG, all when the cards are played right (mostly the art, hardware and angle of the shot).
Pull the camera back for those wide views and then we start seeing the big weaknesses of all graphical processors, and the huge difference between a high end technically impressive modern game and pre-render CG. Same goes with density of intricate details, like shots of forests. Anything scene with a lot of flora is a good benchmark for how powerful hardware can be, and how realistic we can make our images.
Then there's animation, but that's a bit of a grey area, because though it significantly improves the presentation of a game, you cant really brute force it like post processing or graphical effects. Animators must meticulously animate everything themselves, and that comes down to time, money, and skill. Unless we dig into procedural, physics based animation, but that only covers a small portion of what games require.
RurouniZel
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Considering that I'm perfectly fine with the graphics in Xenoblade Chronicles... Yes I'd be fine with that.
Aesthetics > Graphics
Aesthetics > Graphics
I would be happy with games that looked like those FMV scenes keeping the following in mind:
If this means fewer games I could care less. The industry is already a HUGE monster with too much crap being put out. Quality over Quantity!
There will always be exceptions to the above, smaller teams cannot produce games of that quality but they need to create a game with that in mind. Plenty of Indy and smaller companies create AMAZING games that look retro or 2D or some other theme that allows them to make compelling gameplay without AAA visuals and that is GREAT!
- Textures that are the correct resolution at all times (You don't see a super low res texture change to a high res one right in front of your eyes IE: Pop-in) If they have a system to load them in make it invisible to the naked eye.
- Good hair, still many game engines struggle with this.
- Correct lip syncing
- No jarring jagged edges *The stair-step affect on edges* (Correct AA implementation)
- No SCREEN TEARING (Looks like SHIT and totally takes away from the experience)
- Realistic modeling and animations (This makes a huge difference when done right and it is VERY apparent when done wrong)
- Minimum of 30FPS (The game does not dip lower than that) with 60 FPS for shooters and action games, I don't care what anyone else says there is a noticeable difference.
If this means fewer games I could care less. The industry is already a HUGE monster with too much crap being put out. Quality over Quantity!
There will always be exceptions to the above, smaller teams cannot produce games of that quality but they need to create a game with that in mind. Plenty of Indy and smaller companies create AMAZING games that look retro or 2D or some other theme that allows them to make compelling gameplay without AAA visuals and that is GREAT!
Maleficence
Member
You're not crazy, people saying the WiiU Zelda demo is more impressive than either Uncharted 3 or GoW3 are the crazy ones.
The Zelda demo might not show an improvement over PS360, but it's a demo made 18 months before the system shipped. Comparing it to something like GoW3 is not really fair. Although I'm not sure what would be a fair comparison because part of the improvement of this gen has been how the studios handled the tools, and all that stuff is already in place now, but still.
Also, it's all off screen shit, crazy small.
Even that looks PS360 quality off screen.
We really need to just wait and see.
Also, it's all off screen shit, crazy small.
Even that looks PS360 quality off screen.
We really need to just wait and see.
And thats why no one is stepping up with equally impressive UC3 and GoW3 gifs.
EDIT: ok nm.
But notice how he chose a gif with barely any animation.
Maleficence
Member
Have you played either of those games?
Edit - What Stu posted was from the PS Vita, not PS3 btw.
Me? I picked the only gif in the OT. Also, I knew it wasn't direct feed, which was my point.
Nealand Liquor
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In a game like uncharted or in FPS's that would be unnecessary, however in RPG or 3rd person sandbox games a fully realized city/world would add quite a lot in terms of immersion, exploration as well as mission options for both the gamer and developer, ie: scout a location and place addition companions in differing locals to snipe X person, etc etc.
I can't speak for others, but for me the want to have every house/apt/room open to explore is just "the fuck cause"; it's having every house/apt/room to have purpose, opening additional game play & design options. I long deeply to experience a living, breathing game world and not just a city filled with empty shells.
I will agree with you on the blades of grass side of things. I just don't see the point.
Own them yes.
Just to be clear Im just referring to the image quality and animation in the Zelda clip, in those regards its FMV quality.
Just look at the bats in this image. Now compare that to any of the bat enemies we've seen in games this gen.
Net_Wrecker
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The lighting and shadows in the Zelda demo look smoother than what I've seen out of the graphical heavy hitters this generation, the nighttime version in particular. But since gameplay shots are the real way to compare, I'm saying that the real time Zelda demo, which is representative of what Nintendo is looking to do, or surpass, IN GAMEPLAY, looks more impressive than Uncharted 3 or God of War 3 IN GAMEPLAY.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
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I once ran like several hundred feet in DS with an enemy impaled and dangling from my torso, shit was hilarious.
And totally agreed. I'd rather see games with compelling artstyle and gameplay than repackaging the same experiences over and over with new coat of paint.
plagiarize
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true story, when they ragdolled in the long lift section and spazzed out and bounced all around the inside of the lift... that was one of the scariest sections of Dead Space 2. it was so fucking surreal having all these weird deformed corpses flying around while things tried to actually kill me.
Vanillalite
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The GIFs don't look that great. The actual footage when you see it in the videos on youtube look a funk ton better, and no none of those games approach the lighting in that Zelda tech demo that's old a fuck.
AndyMoogle
Member
The lighting in the Zelda Wii U tech demo is clearly above anything that has been done on consoles before. And like I said earlier, don't judge it by looking at the shitty gifs. At least look at the off-screen videos that has been posted. Even if it's off-screen, you can clearly tell that the lighting is great.
I expect much improved lighting to be the big thing during the next gen. Proper global illumination with full dynamic lighting will add a lot to the overall graphics.
I expect much improved lighting to be the big thing during the next gen. Proper global illumination with full dynamic lighting will add a lot to the overall graphics.
Nizz
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Add better framerates and I agree with everything here. A lot of games look fantastic this gen.
I admit I'd be really impressed with this quality graphics at a locked 30fps next gen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s8v6CTIAqY&list=FL9ldEfA0aMSzB_TGkaXpv9A&index=12&feature=plpp_video