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[Killroyskbg]

This would be surprising to me. But I expect Microsoft to win the holiday because of Halo and Overdrive anyway. I think Sony will have a very strong first quarter next year though.

I just don't get it. How can any one think this is a system seller?

If Titanfall could not do it I also do not think so will do it. Barely even put a dent in the gap to be honest with the lack of hype surrounding it.

Halo will be interesting but with the amount of other games with the same audience hitting the shelves at the same time I have a hard time beliving it will make any huge difference.

 

[Arklite]

Not sure what's going on in here anymore but this prediction still makes no sense a day later. If that week long Destiny deal seriously did it then that's some impressive jolt from one game.

 

[cackhyena]

When will we know Pachter is wrong for the kajabazillionth time?

 

[CrazedProfessional]

It depends on your definition of success. They shipped 100,000 units in China.

I'm pretty sure it was sold.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-sells-100-000-units-during-chinese-launch/1100-6422768/
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...e-sales-reportedly-top-100000-in-launch-week/
http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/6/6918141/xbox-one-china-sales-launch

I saw articles about it a mere week ago?

 

[LilZippa]

This would be surprising to me. But I expect Microsoft to win the holiday because of Halo and Overdrive anyway. I think Sony will have a very strong first quarter next year though.

I still think that those who saw more Halo as enough to buy a XB1 have already bought one. I don't see that being enough to power past all the 3rd party games slated for the holiday season most of which will play and look better on PS4.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

When will we know Pachter is wrong for the kajabazillionth time?

Thursday, I believe.

 

[cackhyena]

Thursday, I believe.

Thanks.

 

[Ricky_R]

I'm pretty sure it was sold.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-one-sells-100-000-units-during-chinese-launch/1100-6422768/
http://www.computerandvideogames.co...e-sales-reportedly-top-100000-in-launch-week/
http://www.polygon.com/2014/10/6/6918141/xbox-one-china-sales-launch

I saw articles about it a mere week ago?

None of those articles say that they actually sold through more than 100,000 units, although I wouldn't be surprised if they did by now. Still, I'm not sure if that's a success to this date.

Like I said, it depends on your definition.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Lol sure it would. Sony would have never implemented their free games if they werent playing catch up to XBL. Never in a million years

The specific motivation seems more in line with an attempt to emulate the Netflix model but with video games. I don't see what evidence you have to support your claim, let alone to declare it so absolutely.

 

[beast786]

People wanting a one console future must be incredible naive.
We just witnessed what a company tried to do, cause they thought they had enough market power (Ms).
Do you really think all this would have played out the same, if Ms had been alone on the market (DRM reverse, remove of Kinect, removing features from the paywall, etc...)?

A one console future doesn't mean you get the best from a company, it means you get the worst.

Yea, as a consumer the PS2 era of single console dominance was horrible for games. I mean yuck.

 

[Chobel]

No they dont. No one is arguing that Xbox should be artificially propped up like the auto bail out. We are arguing that a healthy Xbox brand is good for Sony and the Industry as a whole. Please tell me why it isnt

Healthy brand =/= almost 50% of market share. OG Xbox and GC both had healthy brand even though they were trailing in sales.

Also a brand not being healthy mean consumers rejected it, it's simple as that, so it not going to do anything good for the industry nor it's going to drive competitors to innovate.

 

[>-Baron-Spamedi-<]

So would PSN exist as it does now if MS never came along in the video game industry? You know the answer to that is no

Wow. You have insider knowledge of a future that never happened????????

Hey Marty, can I borrow the DeLorean when you're finished with it?

 

[Ray Wonder]

None of those articles say that they actually sold through more than 100,000 units, although I wouldn't be surprised if they did by now. Still, I'm not sure if that's a success to this date.

Like I said, it depends on your definition.

This one does, http://kotaku.com/report-microsoft-sells-100-000-xbox-ones-in-china-1642819315

EDIT: Unless you're looking for the exact words, "Sold through to consumers"

According to Chinese video games news site 17173, during an interview with the press, Shanghai Media Group vice-president Zhang Dazhong let slip that the Xbox One sold over 100,000 consoles. 17173 says that the number includes pre-sales from when the console first went on pre-order.

First week sales

 

[CrazedProfessional]

None of those articles say that they actually sold through more than 100,000 units, although I wouldn't be surprised if they did by now. Still, I'm not sure if that's a success to this date.

Like I said, it depends on your definition.

People claiming Microsoft can only be successful in America are here out and about. 100k in an Asian market is pretty good given how new the Xbox brand is in comparison to Playstation or Nintendo. People say Xbox is not a global brand yet but you can't hate them for trying.

 

[Chobel]

This one does, http://kotaku.com/report-microsoft-sells-100-000-xbox-ones-in-china-1642819315

I thought it's "shipped" not "sold"

 

[Jack cw]

So would PSN exist as it does now if MS never came along in the video game industry? You know the answer to that is no

You jump from one conclusion to another. A few posts earlier you said something about one dominating system and yet you come up with such a lame example. Xlive came at a time when PS2 had 80% of the market and the original xbox was just a niche product. And still this system that existed only on the fringe of the market was the origin of the online experience we have. The "competition" is just as possible in a dominating situation as well as in a neck on neck situation. I'd even say that the benefits and innovations are better in a domination era, because you have to come up with something really special to win the crowd (like the jump from module to CD). Last gen it was basically a fight over value, where the biggest changes were done in the paywall department with games for gold and PS+, where we had a neck to neck race. So, what negative practical example of a domination situtation have ever happened that were bad for consumers?

 

[Impeccable]

People claiming Microsoft can only be successful in America are here out and about. 100k in an Asian market is pretty good given how new the Xbox brand is in comparison to Playstation or Nintendo. People say Xbox is not a global brand yet but you can't hate them for trying.

Xbox is a "new" brand?

 

[foxbeldin]

I thought it's "shipped" not "sold"

Or "sold in" vs "sold through".

 

[twobear]

Xbox is a "new" brand?

Presumably this is the same train of thought that makes people say that MS haven't had time to build up their first parties like Sony and Nintendo and that's why they're totally outclassed by them.

 

[maxiell]

The idea that Xbox One will win NPD for a month because of an exclusive here or there isn't really likely. A title like Halo 5 is a different story; remakes of older titles or smaller offerings like Sunset Overdrive or Forza Horizon 2 don't sell consoles on their own.

Xbox One is, however, poised to have a very healthy holiday because it has strong brand recognition in America and a large number of users will now be looking to upgrade to current gen. You really couldn't blame 360 owners if they were happy with Microsoft and want to stick with their current ecosystem. The fact that there is a lot less bad press surrounding the console now than there was at launch means that more people will feel comfortable buying an Xbox One, and the holiday deals should be insane.

 

[CrazedProfessional]

Xbox is a "new" brand?

It is on a global scale, for example China and Korea are seeing a real console push for the first time in forever. Slowly finding new markets much like Sega in the 1990s with the Genesis and South America.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Yea, as a consumer the PS2 era of single console dominance was horrible for games. I mean yuck.

It was terrible. There were very few massive AAA games and a ridiculous amount of mid-tier budget games.

Spoiler

In all seriousness, there are probably a surprisingly large number of people who would actually see the PS2 era as horrible because of the lack of dominant online-focused first person shooters. If the industry moved in that direction, I imagine many people would call it the death of the gaming industry. I would be fucking giddy.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

People claiming Microsoft can only be successful in America are here out and about. 100k in an Asian market is pretty good given how new the Xbox brand is in comparison to Playstation or Nintendo. People say Xbox is not a global brand yet but you can't hate them for trying.

Wait. Perhaps I'm wrong but wasn't China closed to console gaming for nearly a decade? How does the "oldness" of Nintendo or Playstation matter with a country that hasn't had console gaming? They're just thirsty for anything.

 

[SgtCobra]

For someone who doesn't care CrazedProfessional has a lot of posts in this thread. His constant defending amuses me.


Who thinks MS will lose the holiday season in the US this uear are crazy.

People are still going with that competition is good stuff. Smh.

 

[GeordieMark]

Wow. You have insider knowledge of a future that never happened????????

Hey Marty, can I borrow the DeLorean when you're finished with it?

Of course it wouldn't. Competition drives innovation.

Most of the things Sony and Microsoft do are in response to each other. The fact that that the last console generation was so hard fought was great for consumers. If you think having no competition would have brought us to where we are now, you are wrong.

 

[kinoki]

Im not trying to argue im trying to figure out where you are getting this.

I know competition doesnt equal close sales but that doesnt mean close sales arent an indicator of how competitive a market is.

Say two NFL teams are playing. the sonys and the xboxes.

The score is 37-3. Sony takes out their QB and stops trying. Why should they? They are absolutely dominating. The game is boring as hell now. Everyone is leaving the stadium because no one is putting on a good show.

Now the xboxes start to mount a comeback. Score is 37-30, sony puts all their starters in, and the game because much more interesting to watch. Now we have something. Fans of football everywhere get a good time.

Same analogy works with cable companies. Right now in the US there are like 6 major ISPs right? So, with your argument, that domination can be good, if we just let Comcast run the internet for the whole country its gonna be great right? Because a single company dominating a market is okay.

American views on competition is really odd. Internet companies are one step away from extorting the market. It should be criminal what they're doing. It's basicly 6 companies dividing the market to avoid competition while making as much money as possible. That market is in dire need of competition.

Sony gets money from every goal scored in your analogy. Why would they stop making goals? They certainly haven't stopped scoring goals or encouraging better plays. Their team is still on top and doing their best and running circles around their competition at every point. This effort comes from playing a tied game with Microsoft last generation. That tie was a victory for Microsoft and a loss for Sony. That's good competition. PS4 is the result of good competition. XBO is phoning it in and not putting in the leg work.

Microsoft still hasn't done anything out of the ordinary and offered little to consumers except lowering the price. Just imagine how much Microsoft is in the red because of this move. They're bleeding money at the moment. Here's hoping that the Xbox 4 is a result of going in unprepared and basicly giving the other team the victory. Here's hoping they're willing to do the work.

 

[CrazedProfessional]

Wait. Perhaps I'm wrong but wasn't China closed to console gaming for nearly a decade? How does the "oldness" of Nintendo or Playstation matter with a country that hasn't had console gaming? They're just thirsty for anything.

Previously consumers would get consoles from Hong Kong for a crazy amount of money.

 

[Xando]

It is on a global scale, for example China and Korea are seeing a real console push for the first time in forever. Slowly finding new markets much like Sega in the 1990s with the Genesis and South America.

What are you talking about? Korea had both PS3 and the 360, unless you talk about North Korea?

 

[Ricky_R]

This one does, http://kotaku.com/report-microsoft-sells-100-000-xbox-ones-in-china-1642819315

EDIT: Unless you're looking for the exact words, "Sold through to consumers"



First week sales

That still doesn't make it clear if it's sold through though.

Edit: Well, yeah... You need to be quite literal with MS considering how misleading they can be.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Of course it wouldn't. Competition drives innovation.

Most of the things Sony and Microsoft do are in response to each other. The fact that that the last console generation was so hard fought was great for consumers. If you think having no competition would have brought us to where we are now, you are wrong.

Competition is the primary driver of innovation? According to what model?

 

[Dragon]

Of course it wouldn't. Competition drives innovation.

Most of the things Sony and Microsoft do are in response to each other. The fact that that the last console generation was so hard fought was great for consumers. If you think having no competition would have brought us to where we are now, you are wrong.[/QUOTE]

The last console generation was not hard fought whatsoever. The Wii got out to a huge lead and coasted through largely without fanfare. The fact you're not even considering it leads me to believe that your competition argument hasn't been thought through very well.

Competition is the primary driver of innovation? According to what model?

One can argue that war is a huge driver of innovation...however it's not the sole means when you look at stuff like the light bulb and even more recently how successful Google, Tesla and companies like Netflix have become. Netflix had almost no competition when it released its Instant Streaming apps and largely has only competed with Amazon on catalogs which frankly is about as far as innovation as you can get.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

Not that I think Pachter is correct, but some of the guesses from the NPD prediction thread seem way off (PS4 smushing Xbone). I think the sales #s are closer than estimated.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

The idea that Xbox One will win NPD for a month because of an exclusive here or there isn't really likely. A title like Halo 5 is a different story; remakes of older titles or smaller offerings like Sunset Overdrive or Forza Horizon 2 don't sell consoles on their own.

Xbox One is, however, poised to have a very healthy holiday because it has strong brand recognition in America and a large number of users will now be looking to upgrade to current gen. You really couldn't blame 360 owners if they were happy with Microsoft and want to stick with their current ecosystem. The fact that there is a lot less bad press surrounding the console now than there was at launch means that more people will feel comfortable buying an Xbox One, and the holiday deals should be insane.

This more or less mirrors my feelings. MS really missed an opportunity by not having Halo 5 ready this holiday. But they will still move a decent number of units, and their exclusives all seemed poised to do well.

Most of the things Sony and Microsoft do are in response to each other. The fact that that the last console generation was so hard fought was great for consumers. If you think having no competition would have brought us to where we are now, you are wrong.

The last console generation was not hard fought whatsoever. The Wii got out to a huge lead and coasted through largely without fanfare. The fact you're not even considering it leads me to believe that your competition argument hasn't been thought through very well.[/QUOTE]

MS and Sony only considered Nintendo competition for a very specific demographic, and they both invested millions in "catching up" to Nintendo in regards to motion gaming. The 360 also see-sawed with the Wii in US/UK, while the Wii and PS3 did the same in Japan and mainland Europe. After 2010 to 2012 was anything but a "coast" for the Wii. Last gen was rife with competition.

 

[Ricky_R]

People claiming Microsoft can only be successful in America are here out and about. 100k in an Asian market is pretty good given how new the Xbox brand is in comparison to Playstation or Nintendo. People say Xbox is not a global brand yet but you can't hate them for trying.

I'm not claiming that MS can't be successful outside of America. I was merely addressing your question about the Chinese launch success.

 

[GeordieMark]

Competition is the primary driver of innovation? According to what model?

Are you denying the competition makes a difference?

The last console generation was not hard fought whatsoever. The Wii got out to a huge lead and coasted through largely without fanfare. The fact you're not even considering it leads me to believe that your competition argument hasn't been thought through very well.

Erm, the Wii domination caused both Sony and MS to release motion controllers of their own. In response to the competition.

And just because the Wi was way out in front doesn't mean that there wasn't an intense competition for 2nd place.

 

[Faustek]

When will we know Pachter is wrong for the kajabazillionth time?

Thursday, I believe.

Ask yourself this instead: How often does a blind hen find a seed?

 

[foxbeldin]

For someone who doesn't care CrazedProfessional has a lot of posts in this thread. His constant defending amuses me.


Who thinks MS will lose the holiday season in the US this uear are crazy.

I have personally no idea what will happen this holiday season and i'm not willing to bet anything on it, even if i think MS is usually very good at this time of the year. But i have yet to meet someone who predicted March good this year and i think this holiday is even harder to foresee.

 

[Sendou]

 

[SteveO409]

Michael Pachter@michaelpachter 1 min
Am baffled by the hate for a ONE MONTH estimate of XboxOne vs.PS4 sales. MS gave away two free games for a week; maybe it worked, maybe not

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Are you denying the competition makes a difference?

No, I'm denying that it's the primary motivator for innovation.

 

[BruiserBear]

Titanfall and FH2 are XB1 exclusives are they?

This thread is about 2 consoles. XONE and PS4. Those games are exclusive to one of those consoles.

This needs to be said in about 20 threads a day around here. People clearly discussing the two big competing consoles, and someone interjects "but PC!".

 

[Chobel]

Previously consumers would get consoles from Hong Kong for a crazy amount of money.

I read many times here in GAF that prices are actually cheap, so I'm gonna need source for the bold text.

 

[ZeroCDR]

I hope not, I want them to go full desperation Black Friday bundle for me

 

[Dragon]

Are you denying the competition makes a difference?

So you're changing your argument? Because it seems like a much weaker point if you're going based on the question you're asking here.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Edit: Well, yeah.., You need to be quite literal with MS considering how misleading they can be.

It wasn't reported by MS though. It was reported by Shanghai Media Group vice-president Zhang Dazhong.

 

[Einbroch]

It's not hate.

It's that it makes no sense. Now, if this was a prediciton for October he would have a much stronger case. But September, based on all retail rumblings and common sense, seems to be a slam dunk for Sony.

That's why people "hate" (lol), because it just doesn't make sense.

 

[Impeccable]

This needs to be said in about 20 threads a day around here. People clearly discussing the two big competing consoles, and someone interjects "but PC!".

Similar vein to indie games and PSN but you're allowed to bring up PC in that case because.

 

[Jaxx]

Pretty much sums up this prediction of his, and the rest of his predictions. "Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm not!"

 

[Graphics Horse]

I don't hate you Pachter <3

 

[Halph n Halph]

The idea that Xbox One will win NPD for a month because of an exclusive here or there isn't really likely. A title like Halo 5 is a different story; remakes of older titles or smaller offerings like Sunset Overdrive or Forza Horizon 2 don't sell consoles on their own.

Xbox One is, however, poised to have a very healthy holiday because it has strong brand recognition in America and a large number of users will now be looking to upgrade to current gen. You really couldn't blame 360 owners if they were happy with Microsoft and want to stick with their current ecosystem. The fact that there is a lot less bad press surrounding the console now than there was at launch means that more people will feel comfortable buying an Xbox One, and the holiday deals should be insane.

Agreed. I believe the exclusive line up that MS are offering is enough to retain the customer base who don't jump in at launch. Offering these consumers attractive competitively priced bundles will reap reward.