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Dragon Age lore guide for newcomers: come ask your questions!

Ralemont

not me
Honestly, I can't understand people who say the lore and world of Dragon Age is generic and/or dull.

I find all this super interesting. Thanks OP for making this thread :)

To be fair I never read the Codex my first playthroughs of Origins and DA2 because I didn't find the world immediately interesting. It's only when I went back and replayed to prepare for Inqisition that I got hooked, because the deep deep lore and how it connects to the games is what really makes it shine.

For example I had no idea what the Blights were. Separately, I had heard of the Golden/Black City in the Fade and how mages were to blame for it. But when I found out how the Old Gods, Black City, and Blights were connected?

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Thanks everyone! I am still confused with some things lol. I feel like maybe I should play DA:I and then ask questions as I go along, but this is all helpful!

So... the old gods were REAL gods/dragons? They actually existed? Why would they suggest to go into the kingdom when it results in them sleeping and turning into archdemons?

Yes, they are actually dragons. The extent of their "godhood" is in dispute, but they are certainly more powerful than your run-of-the-mill dragon. The events around the corruption are largely unknown and greatly warped by Chantry teachings, so it's hard to speculate about their motivation around that time.

EDIT: Also, please, continue asking questions. I love the Dragon Age lore and it's fun to educate you. :)
 
Honestly, I can't understand people who say the lore and world of Dragon Age is generic and/or dull.

I find all this super interesting. Thanks OP for making this thread :)

I feel that dragon age origin and da2's stories are nothing special, but the lore and characters make it so much better. Same deal with mass effect. Bioware is excellent at creating these worlds, but the story falls a little short.
 

Ralemont

not me
So... the old gods were REAL gods/dragons? They actually existed? Why would they suggest to go into the kingdom when it results in them sleeping and turning into archdemons?

Let's just say that thus far the story seems to be matching up with the reality, in terms of whether the Old Gods are the Archdemons and thus real dragons.

It's safe to say they didn't know what would happen when the magisters opened the gate. There's still a lot of mystery behind the entire event to be honest so you're not off base with where everyone else is.
 

III-V

Member
Is there any more lore on the child with Morrigan?

Are all old gods corrupted?

What was in Flemeth's grimoire?

Are there more witches like Flemeth?

Why can't we a Grey Warden anymore :(
 

Ashodin

Member
Is there any more lore on the child with Morrigan?

Play Inquisition

Are all old gods corrupted?

They're all evil, anyway.

What was in Flemeth's grimoire?

Rites to transfer Old God power into a human child.

Are there more witches like Flemeth?

Morrigan is a chip off the old block, but not as powerful.

Why can't we a Grey Warden anymore :(

Blight's not happening.

responsess
 

Ralemont

not me
Is there any more lore on the child with Morrigan?

Well we know if you did the DR it's got the soul of an Old God. Besides that we know the plot will be coming up in Inquisition.

PS I had no idea but if you romance Morrigan and refused the DR she gets pregnant with your normal child. Who knew!

Are all old gods corrupted?

Yes, according to the legend and it's held true so far with the darkspawn finding them.

What was in Flemeth's grimoire?

Among other things the secret to doing the Dark Ritual.

Are there more witches like Flemeth?

Yes, there are several Witches of the Wilds. It seems likely however that Flemeth is much more than just a witch and probably just using "Witch of the Wild" as a cover so people leave her alone.

Why can't we a Grey Warden anymore :(

Switch to Blackwall ---> Profit?!
 

ST2K

Member
As someone who was super into DA:O but never got the DLC for DA2 because of how little I enjoyed that game, did I miss anything lore/plot wise?
 

Laughing Banana

Weeping Pickle
What fascinates me the most about Dragon Age lore is the existence of Black City in the Fade.

Especially when DAII revealed that it was already black before the Magisters even took a step there--of course, this was by the account of one of those Magisters himself so he might be lying, but still, it makes you think.

As is the existence of the Maker. Fascinating stuff.
 

Ashodin

Member
What fascinates me the most about Dragon Age lore is the existence of Black City in the Fade.

Especially when DAII revealed that it was already black before the Magisters even took a step there--of course, this was by the account of one of those Magisters himself so he might be lying, but still, it makes you think.

As is the existence of the Maker. Fascinating stuff.

When Corypheus was coming out of his prison, he was bewildered and at first had no idea what was going on. So his comments are most likely true.
 
As someone who was super into DA:O but never got the DLC for DA2 because of how little I enjoyed that game, did I miss anything lore/plot wise?

Yes. The Legacy DLC contains very important information about Hawke and the Grey Wardens, as well as revealing a very important character (Corypheus) that may or may not appear in Inquisition.
 

Damerman

Member
How did the Quickening make elves mortal?

In the old gods myth, why did the gods suggest for the magisters to enter the golden kingdom/city? Did they know what would happen?

Why did Tevinter kill Andraste?

Are the Circle of Magi a place? A collective term for Magi prisoners? Or something else?

So the darkspawn live underground, and look for the old gods who are also underground, or are they in the Fade? do the darkspawn enter the fade at will/in their sleep and look for the god? Is there an underground city of darkspawn or what?

If the Grey Wardens are simply ones of who are immune to taint, how did they originally find archdemon blood to drink?

Are Seekers of Truth just devout follows of the Chantry?

Nothing major happens in ages 2-5, and 7-8?

So, all this time that mages are imprisoned, what is the city of mages doing? They aren't at war with everyone else for holding mages?

Why does Hawke help/attack the Mage? How does he fit in at that part? Is he just some guy caught in the middle?

Meredith is defeated either way? What happens if you help the templars?

What is the civil war in Orlais about? Why does the Chantry help the mages here, if they are the ones who employ the templars? Is there a chantry in every human country?


Why? Who is Lambert? Why does he want to kill the mages?


Who is Cassandra, how does Varric know where Hawke is, and why is he so important that he can contribute to peace? Peace with the mages/templars?

And why didn't the templars just kill mages instead of making them prisoners?

There are some people on both sides trying for peace?

Lol, boy, I feel like we've open a rabbit hole :p

1) the quickening AFAIK is a result of man weakening the the ties that Elves had to the fade, just out of pure shittyness.

2) i don't think they did

3)Because Andraste preached that magic is to serve man, not rule over him.

4)Circle of Magi is literally a place, its the building where templar keep mages... but there are difference circles for different countries and regions.

5) The Archdemons are litterally underground, when darkspawn dream, they get messages from the Archdemon hinting at its location underground. The Darkspawn just dwell in the deep roads mostly looking for dragons. there is no specific underground city for the darkspawn as far as we know.

6) I think its blood from previous blights that grey warden head quarters hold... though i'm not 100% sure that they even drink Archdemon blood, i'd have to look that up. i vaguely remember it being the case.

7) Think of the Chantry as the US government. the church is the Executive branch, seekers are the Judicial Branch/FBI/NSA/CIA and Templars are the Legislative branch/US Army with some judicial powers(you can see why there is a rebelion now)

8) that is deep in the lore, I might have read something regarding each age(just look at the name of each age to get an idea of what it was about), but its too specific for me to remember.

9)You mean tevinter? They are a super powerful country, but they are literally getting decimated by the qunary(qunari naval fleets don't play). i think its to the point where they are losing and they may need other peoples help.

10)Hawke is the guy caught in the middle, its incredibly difficult to be neutral in DA2 because they don't make you chose sides, they make you make decisions that you can't be neutral about like (DA2 spoiler)
Killing anders or setting him free for committing, what boils down to, a terrorist attack.
no matter what decision you make and no matter what ur biases, there is a fact of the matter and you have to make a decision based on that. DA2 ending was very climactic and i appreciate that a lot about the game.

11)if you help the tempalrs she goes mad either way because of the lyrium idol and 2nd in command Cullen helps you take her down.

12) I think in Asunder, it's something to the effect that the Divine(real world equivalent to the Pope) was attacked by a mage. I haven't finished Asunder yet so i can't answer. I think there is a chantry in every human country, in every city also. I'm certain there are even some in Tevinter

13)again, a main character from Asunder. He just hates mages, just like most other templars. He investigates the Circle in Asunder because of mysterious disappearances and murders.

14)Cassandra is a seeker. I would suggest watching DA: dawn of the seeker to get a background on her. Its an enjoyable FMV film. She basically rose through the ranks while learning that enemies can be among anyone, whehter they be a mage or a templar. Hawk Played a huge role in the Terrorist Attack from Anders. Varric was with him at the time and is cassandra's only lead. The conflict in Orlais is intermingled with the templar/mage conflict which originated in kirkwal. the conflict with the qunari is also intermingled with Kirkwal. Hawk is the champion of kirkwal, you can see why he is such an important character.

15)I'm not sure which event you are referring to, but in kirkwall, everything was in disarray. Mages ran away, some stayed in the circle, others prepared to regroup to fight. Templars essentially had no jurisdiction. And they could not kill all mages because it was pretty evident that Meredith was crazy and Cullen was more rational.
 

Ralemont

not me
As someone who was super into DA:O but never got the DLC for DA2 because of how little I enjoyed that game, did I miss anything lore/plot wise?

Shinobi will have a more detailed summary of DA2 in his OT, but 9:37 Dragon is the important timeline event from DA2.

Also, Legacy DLC has you meet an ancient Tevinter magister named Corypheus who actually entered the Golden/Black City and caused the Blights to begin. That's huge lore background right there. Here's the video.
 

Damerman

Member
Are there more witches like Flemeth?
there are plenty. Flemeth has many daughters. In one of the comics you get meet one of them. the comic is called the Silent Grove... there are some pretty crazy revelations in those comics.
 

III-V

Member
Yes, there are several Witches of the Wilds. It seems likely however that Flemeth is much more than just a witch and probably just using "Witch of the Wild" as a cover so people leave her alone.

Switch to Blackwall ---> Profit?!

Lol about switch to Blackwall, I guess that will have to do for some time.

If all old gods are dragons, what will be an old god baby? First of its kind, or simply an uncorrupted old god?

About Flemeth, I know that she is not a Witch of the Wild, as Morrigan has described her quite differently, and not even human, potentially. I understand she was raising Morrigan to one day take her body. How many times has she done this self preservation ritual, who knows. For me, she is one of the most interesting chars. you can come across. No good idea exactly who or what she is. And what about the portals...
 
This game looks so good, but I feel like I cant play it without a lot of knowledge on the other ones. I did play origins, but I wasnt feeling the combat and just rushed through it. I even missed a major companion that one of the dlc's focused on. I started 2 and didnt like it at all so I gave up. It feels like too much haha
 

Laughing Banana

Weeping Pickle
When Corypheus was coming out of his prison, he was bewildered and at first had no idea what was going on. So his comments are most likely true.

Yeah I leaned towards this as well, although you may never know.

The whole Black City-Andraste-Maker stories fascinate me. I tend to believe that Andraste actually existed, as is the Maker, considering the shadows on the Urn Trial in DA1, but then again.......... those people merely *perceived* that the one talking to Andraste is the Maker... who knows, the Maker may be just an extremely powerful demon.

The black city though... damn. I would love for DA to explore its lore further and give us answers.

Because they are persecuted. The Chantry and Templars basically force mages to go to the Circle or they are hunted down/looked down upon. If a mage becomes a problem for the caretakers they also do this procedure where they basically give them a lobotomy and make them tranquil.

This is also one of the hardest decisions for me to take sides on. Sure, they're persecuted, especially with all the stuff like tranquility and shit, but it is also for very good reason.
 

Aaryn

BioWare GM
This is wonderful! Even I've learned some things reading this thread.

Thanks for compiling it, it's really really well put together.
 
This game looks so good, but I feel like I cant play it without a lot of knowledge on the other ones. I did play origins, but I wasnt feeling the combat and just rushed through it. I even missed a major companion that one of the dlc's focused on. I started 2 and didnt like it at all so I gave up. It feels like too much haha

plenty of explanation in the thread, I also linked to some videos in the first page if you would rather watch a video series with visuals and narration rather than just reading text.
 

Ralemont

not me
If all old gods are dragons, what will be an old god baby? First of its kind, or simply an uncorrupted old god?

Uncorrupted Old God, but I doubt it will grow into a dragon, haha. So yeah it must be the first of its kind in that way.

About Flemeth, I know that she is not a Witch of the Wild, as Morrigan has described her quite differently, and not even human, potentially. I understand she was raising Morrigan to one day take her body. How many times has she done this self preservation ritual, who knows. For me, she is one of the most interesting chars. you can come across. No good idea exactly who or what she is. And what about the portals...

This isn't a confirmation but
Flemeth's VA has Inquisition listed on her "things i've done" page. :)
 

ST2K

Member
Shinobi will have a more detailed summary of DA2 in his OT, but 9:37 Dragon is the important timeline event from DA2.

Also, Legacy DLC has you meet an ancient Tevinter magister named Corypheus who actually entered the Golden/Black City and caused the Blights to begin. That's huge lore background right there. Here's the video.

Of course they left something as central as that to DLC...

Well, that's a new element. Did they ever do anything with
The Architect
?
 

sensui-tomo

Member
Of course they left something as central as that to DLC...

Well, that's a new element. Did they ever do anything with
The Architect
?
Ditto, hell i'd like a reason why the
architect
and corypheus look similar(cant just be coincidental) hopefully we see something with the
architect
in DAI. as for corypheus he was an odd ball all right(and legacy should never been dlc as it felt way too important storywise unlike that felecia day dlc)
 
Yeah I leaned towards this as well, although you may never know.

The whole Black City-Andraste-Maker stories fascinate me. I tend to believe that Andraste actually existed, as is the Maker, considering the shadows on the Urn Trial in DA1, but then again.......... those people merely *perceived* that the one talking to Andraste is the Maker... who knows, the Maker may be just an extremely powerful demon.

The black city though... damn. I would love for DA to explore its lore further and give us answers.

In Origins, one of the gifts is a book which claims that Andraste was actually a powerful mage, not a prophet. I suspect that's closer to the truth than the Chantry would like to admit.
 

Ashodin

Member
Of course they left something as central as that to DLC...

Well, that's a new element. Did they ever do anything with
The Architect
?

It's a dangling thread that some Darkspawn gain their own sentience. The Last Flight, a book about the Fourth Blight, has some relevance to this, but I'm not finished with it yet.
 

JerkShep

Member
Essential Side Content Guide
Dragon Age Keep lets you customize the most important choices of the previous games and import them in Inquisition, so that the world might reflect the decisions you've made in the series. Obviously not every single choice is taken in consideration, so I thougt it may be useful to compile a list of the subquests, based on the customizable choices presented in the Keep, that could actually matter in shaping your Inquisition playthough. The list can be used for a fast replay of the series, to find which path you choose in your old playthrough (load a save and find the quest on your journal) or to play some of the content for the first time without losing anything important. I suggest using the wikia if you have any doubts or issues, every quest has its own page and they're all pretty in depth.

Dragon Age: Origins
(Side Quests: Ostagar)
The Mabari Hound
The Hungry Deserter

(Side Quests: Lothering)
The Qunari Prisoner
Find Leliana in the tavern (not a proper quest, but probably missable)

(Side Quests: Redcliffe)
A Missing Child
Lost in the Castle
Find Bella in the tavern (not a proper quest, but missable)

(Side Quests: Brecilian Forest)
Cammen's Lament
Elora's Halla
Lost to the Curse
Rare Ironbark
Wounded in the Forest

(Side Quests: Orzammar)
A Mother's Hope
An Unlikely Scholar
The Chant in the Deeps
Precious Metals
Zerlinda's Woe
Thief in the House of Learning
Lost to the Memories
Of Noble Birth (only possible if the character is a noble dwarf, male)
The Dead Caste

(Side Quests: Denerim, Before the Landmeet)
Pearls Before Swine
The Crimson Oars
Forgotten Verses
Honor Bound
The Trial of Crows
Crime Wave

(Side Quests: Denerim, During the Landsmeet)
Tortured Noble
Lost Templar
Something Wicked > Hearing Voices

(Companions Quests)
Alistair's Family
Flemeth's Real Grimoire.
Leliana's Past
Oghren's Old Flame
The Sword of the Beresaad

(DLC)
Warden's Keep
The Stone's Prisoner

Dragon Age Origins: Awakening
(Companions Quests)
The Prisoner > Nathaniel's Joining
Oghren the Family Man

(Side Quests)
Cost of Doing Business
What is Built Endures
It Comes From Beneath
Elemental Requirements

(DLC: Witch Hunt)
In Search of Morrigan

Dragon Age II
Act 1
(Sub Quests)
An Errant Letter
Bait and Switch
Fools Rush In > Finders Keepers
The Bone Pit > Get Back to Work
Magistrate's Orders
The First Sacrifice
The Unbidden Rescue

Act 2
(Sub Quests)
Night Terrors
Raiders on the Cliffs
Inside Job> Cave Crawling > Cavern of Dead
Fool's Gold (determined by background choosen/save imported)

(Companions Quest)
The Long Road

Act 3
(Sub Quests)
Mine Massacre
Visit Gamlen > Gamlen's Greatest Treasure
A Murder of Crows (determined by background choosen/save imported)
Finding Nathaniel (determined by background choosen/save imported)

(Companion Quest)
A Small Problem > Haunted
A New Path

DLC: Legacy
A Memento of the Past
Legacy
Malcolm's Will

(Other DLCs) *
The Exiled Prince
Mark of the Assassin

* This content might have consequences in Inquisition, but it will probably be far less important than Legacy, which may contain one of the most important events of Dragon Age 2

A Note on Companions in DAII: I've posted only the absolutely essential quests regarding companions, but I suggest, if you're playing the game for the first time, to experience all of their content, it's usually worthy and will give better context of some of the stuff that happens to them

There might be mistakes, I'll try to verify everything as soon as possible
 

Zukuu

Banned
Remind me again, how did the space god baby helped to take down the Archdemon?
Also, can you save your sister in DAII? I think she survived, but the video told me she died.
Also, the Keep told me Flemeth is alive in DA II but I killed her in DA:O. (and yes, I chose that in the Keep)
 

Northeastmonk

Gold Member
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So do I man. The extra disc plays pretty well but my main one got some disc rot or something going on.

Mike Laidlaw's guide to Dragon Age was by far the most useful guide I had ever seen come with a game. Well except the games that come with the actual guide.
 

Enduin

No bald cap? Lies!
Good stuff. The series definitely has built up a deep and interesting lore. What seemed like a somewhat generic setting has developed into some really interesting and engaging content.

That said, I can't recommend the books enough to those who enjoy the games and lore in them.
 
Remind me again, how did the space god baby helped to take down the Archdemon?

Typically, when the Archdemon is killed, its soul inhabits the closest Darkspawn and it lives on. When a Grey Warden kills the Archdemon, its soul inhabits the Grey Warden and they both die for good.

Morrigan used a spell that would force the Archdemon's soul to inhabit her newly conceived child. What the fuck she intends to do with it is anyone's guess.
 

golem

Member
Of the major RPG franchises I've always thought Dragon Age had the worst lore and world. Completely forgettable.
 
RE: the abundance of blood mages, specifically in DA2. If you find the Enigma of Kirkwall codex entries you find that the Tevinters were practicing blood sacrifice in Kirkwall on an absolutely massive scale for some dark ends that aren't known. Because of this it is speculated that the veil is incredibly thin in Kirkwall which is why so many mages there are easily tempted into Blood Magic.
 

Ralemont

not me
Remind me again, how did the space god baby helped to take down the Archdemon?

When an Archdemon is killed its soul escapes to try and find another darkspawn to inhabit. But if a Warden is present it will think it's a darkspawn and go to the Warden instead. But once it encounters a Warden's soul, both are destroyed in the collision. With the Dark Ritual, Morrigan conceived a child that was young and pure enough to absorb the Old God's corruption and not be destroyed. The Old God's soul merges with the baby's soul and the two become one.

Also, can you save your sister in DAII? I think she survived, but the video told me she died.

The Keep doesn't import your choices. You still have to pick them all manually yourself.

Having said that yep you can save her by either leaving her behind (she joins Kirkwall's Circle) or bringing both her and Anders to the Deep Roads(she becomes a Grey Warden).

Also, the Keep told me Flemeth is alive in DA II but I killed her in DA:O. (and yes, I chose that in the Keep)

Flemeth is always alive for DA2 even if you kill her as a dragon in Origins. At the beginning of DA2 Flemeth gives Hawke a pendant which contains a piece of her soul. When the Warden kills Flemeth in Ferelden her soul flies to the remaining piece where it rejoins in front of Hawke.
 
Remind me again, how did the space god baby helped to take down the Archdemon?
Also, can you save your sister in DAII? I think she survived, but the video told me she died.
Also, the Keep told me Flemeth is alive in DA II but I killed her in DA:O. (and yes, I chose that in the Keep)

1. When the Archdemon dies, its soul it's transferred to a Darkspawn to live on. If a Grey Warden slays it, the Archdemon soul will invade the tainted body of the Warden and both the soul and the Warden will be destroyed. By doing the dark ritual, the Archdemon soul is transferred to he baby.

2. Bethany survives the prologue of DA2 if you chose the Warrior or Rogue classes, and instead, Carver is the one who dies. There's no way to keep both siblings alive.

3. It's even mentioned in DA: O, after the fight with Flemeth, that you didn't actually kill her. In the prologue of DA2, which happens during the events of DA: O, Flemeth appears and gives Hawke a pendant with part of her soul (as she probably knew the Warden would come back to kill her). When the Warden slayed Flemeth, the remainings of her soul travelled to the pendant she gave Hawke.
 

Zukuu

Banned
When an Archdemon is killed its soul escapes to try and find another darkspawn to inhabit. But if a Warden is present it will think it's a darkspawn and go to the Warden instead. But once it encounters a Warden's soul, both are destroyed in the collision. With the Dark Ritual, Morrigan conceived a child that was young and pure enough to absorb the Old God's corruption and not be destroyed. The Old God's soul merges with the baby's soul and the two become one.



The Keep doesn't import your choices. You still have to pick them all manually yourself.

Having said that yep you can save her by either leaving her behind (she joins Kirkwall's Circle) or bringing both her and Anders to the Deep Roads(she becomes a Grey Warden).


Flemeth is always alive for DA2 even if you kill her as a dragon in Origins. At the beginning of DA2 Flemeth gives Hawke a pendant which contains a piece of her soul. When the Warden kills Flemeth in Ferelden her soul flies to the remaining piece where it rejoins in front of Hawke.
Thanks³
 
That we know of from trailers/reviews:

Returning characters from Dragon Age Origins:
Morrigan- Automatic regardless of choices.
Leliana- Hilariously automatic regardless of choices.
A third one that Dawg mentioned earlier but if you really want to know
King Anders or Loghain
"Or"? What if both are alive and well in Origins?
 

Zukuu

Banned
2. Bethany survives the prologue of DA2 if you chose the Warrior or Rogue classes, and instead, Carver is the one who dies. There's no way to keep both siblings alive.
.
Wait I just checked, I have Bethany sent to the Circle and survive the last battle, the video still told me she died at the start of act II or III.
 

Rurunaki

Member
I have the attention span of a gradeschooler.. I need pictures along with that wall of text to fully comprehend.. PLEASE..
 
Wait I just checked, I have Bethany sent to the Circle and survive the last battle, the video still told me she died at the start of act II or III.

That's weird. As far as I remember, the only other scenario where she can die is during the Deep Roads expedition if Anders isn't in your party.

Edit: Just remembered Meredith can execute her after you kill Orsino if you side with the templars.
 

Zukuu

Banned
That's weird. As far as I remember, the only other scenario where she can die is during the Deep Roads expedition if Anders isn't in your party.

Edit: Just remembered Meredith can execute her after you kill Orsino if you side with the templars.
Sided with mages. :X

Can I fast forward the movie to see check it again, or do I have to sit through the whole thing?
 

JerkShep

Member
Best part of the lore for me are the myths, legends and their interpretation. They even managed not to relegate them to the codex, most of the important stuff are actually told to you in game, but you probably won't connect the dots immediately. The legends of Flemeth, stories about the previous Blights, Andraste, the hierarchy of the Fade, the role of the Old Gods, Fen’Harel, the Black City. There's very good stuff in there, even if in the surface it might appear a bit bland.
 
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