Stolen Throne spoilers:As a child, he is forced to watch as a group of Orlesian chevaliers rape and murder his mother, then several years later his father also dies at Orlesian hands.
They also
killed his dog.
Stolen Throne spoilers:As a child, he is forced to watch as a group of Orlesian chevaliers rape and murder his mother, then several years later his father also dies at Orlesian hands.
Loghain's fear and hatred of Orlais is both understandable and, as we know from the letters, well-justified.
I don't believe that excuses his actions in Origins, but considering he shows regret and a willingness to sacrifice himself in penance, I think you can work the redemption angle.
Personally I did not have the dialogue option (or couldn't find the path to it) to make Alistair King and have Loghain become a Warden. It was apparent at the time that it was Alistair or Loghain. So I let Alistair duel and kill him, and Anora was sent to the tower.
It might not be the perfect world-state, but damnit it's mine!
Loghain's fear and hatred of Orlais is both understandable and, as we know from the letters, well-justified.
I don't believe that excuses his actions in Origins, but considering he shows regret and a willingness to sacrifice himself in penance, I think you can work the redemption angle.
Personally I did not have the dialogue option (or couldn't find the path to it) to make Alistair King and have Loghain become a Warden. It was apparent at the time that it was Alistair or Loghain. So I let Alistair duel and kill him, and Anora was sent to the tower.
It might not be the perfect world-state, but damnit it's mine!
It was very tricky. You had to harden Alistair by choosing the correct dialogue options after you both met Goldanna, and get into his head that he had to look for himself because the world is hard. That way he started embracing the idea of becoming the King and that's what keeps him from walking out on you if you listen to Riordan and let Loghain live.Loghain's fear and hatred of Orlais is both understandable and, as we know from the letters, well-justified.
I don't believe that excuses his actions in Origins, but considering he shows regret and a willingness to sacrifice himself in penance, I think you can work the redemption angle.
Personally I did not have the dialogue option (or couldn't find the path to it) to make Alistair King and have Loghain become a Warden. It was apparent at the time that it was Alistair or Loghain. So I let Alistair duel and kill him, and Anora was sent to the tower.
It might not be the perfect world-state, but damnit it's mine!
It was very tricky. You had to harden Alistair by choosing the correct dialogue options after you both met Goldanna, and get into his head that he had to look for himself because the world is hard. That way he started embracing the idea of becoming the King and that's what keeps him from walking out on you if you listen to Riordan and let Loghain live.
DA:O was amazing for small details like that.
Loghain's fear and hatred of Orlais is both understandable and, as we know from the letters, well-justified.
I don't believe that excuses his actions in Origins, but considering he shows regret and a willingness to sacrifice himself in penance, I think you can work the redemption angle.
Personally I did not have the dialogue option (or couldn't find the path to it) to make Alistair King and have Loghain become a Warden. It was apparent at the time that it was Alistair or Loghain. So I let Alistair duel and kill him, and Anora was sent to the tower.
It might not be the perfect world-state, but damnit it's mine!
Awesome OP. Quick question, outside of the Corypheus reveal, anything interesting of note out of the DA2 DLC packs?
Even if the quest itself involving it was cut from the game because of time reasons, there are still enough hints to it, (including the leaders in Return to Ostagar) that i still consider it canon, and its why Logain is alive in my games. It just makes the story better, he is less the cartoon villian and more believable.
DA:O was amazing for small details like that.
I wonder what the third DLC would have been about. It's really a pity that we never got to see it, or got an ultimate version of DA2.
The cancelled expansion was rumored to have been called The Exalted March. I wouldn't be surprised if it was folded into Inquisition given Hawke's presence.
Until about 6 months ago, I actually had no idea you could keep both Loghain alive and have Alistair as king. I felt like an idiot when I found out..
One of the best things about Origins was that there were so many choices like that that many people just didn't know about.
Even DA2 when considering things like Isabela coming back with the Tome..
well, i just found this out right now... damn. I always wanted a world state where Alister maries Annora (loghain's blood line deserves to be royalty after everything he's done for Ferelden) and loghain gets to live. Back to the keep then.
Part of me really wants to "resurrect" Loghain using the Keep... but at the same time, killing him was very satisfying. I'll save him for my alternate timeline, I suppose.
This has probably been asked but maybe could be added to the OP: if you never played DA or don't know any of the lore, how screwed are you story-wise in DA I?
This has probably been asked but maybe could be added to the OP: if you never played DA or don't know any of the lore, how screwed are you story-wise in DA I?
Oh yeah, thanks. I remember reading that somewhere too. Well, I'm glad we'll get to see some of it (or most of it) in DAI.
This has probably been asked but maybe could be added to the OP: if you never played DA or don't know any of the lore, how screwed are you story-wise in DA I?
I just noticed that Cassandra is a templar in Inquisition. Are there templars among the Seekers? I thought they were two exclusive branches. Or did she pick up those skills somewhere else?
Most Seekers come from the Templars. They're like the IA of the Templar order. Though Cassandra did not, but it's not too surprising she picked up and was trained in Templar ways.
Weird, feel like there'd be a conflict of interest hiring agents to oversee all Chantry matters from one of the branches they're charged with overseeing.
Weird, feel like there'd be a conflict of interest hiring agents to oversee all Chantry matters from one of the branches they're charged with overseeing.
To become a seeker, an initiate must spend months in a vigil, emptying oneself of all emotion. The initiate is then made Tranquil, and the vigil summons a Spirit of Faith to touch the initiate's mind thus breaking the tranquility and giving a seeker their abilities.
Do Internal Affairs officers not ultimately come from the regular detective ranks?
Cassandra is a strange case.
Normally templars have lyrium dependency, but her description states she doesn't have one.
I thought I owned DA2 from an Origin sale, but apparently not.
Worth skipping from Origins to Inquisition?
(I read the article on Kotaku today)
So, questions for the Qunari experts here. I've been trying to read up on their lore and whatnot - is there any confirmation as to what happened to their original homeland? I've read conflicting ideas; their philosophy conflicted with others, so they left...or that there was instead a blight there so they had to retreat (and that ogres are darkspawned Qunari).
Is there any canon lore confirmed about that? It gets me wondering what happened to the original people in Par Volen and if any survived, escaped, or are still there. And, if there are forces on their original homeland powerful enough to make the Qunari leave, what are they like? Exploring that stuff would make a kick ass expansion or DLC content for this game.
Pretty sure that's about all we know more or less. Something happened and they left their homeland, went to Par Vollen kicked out what Tevinter remnants were there, took over and assimilated the native species of Fex to the Qun.
All we know of pre-Par Vollen Qunari is the bits about Kossith that were present shortly in the Korcari wilds well before the Qun was established and were animists. Eventually they were likely captured during the first blight and turned into broodmothers to create Ogres.
Is there anything pre-Inquisition that actually discusses the Seekers in any sort of depth? I Despite Cassandra being important to DA2's framing device, I don't remember anything in DA2 or DA:O that actually discussed the Seekers at all and what their powers were.
So, questions for the Qunari experts here. I've been trying to read up on their lore and whatnot - is there any confirmation as to what happened to their original homeland? I've read conflicting ideas; their philosophy conflicted with others, so they left...or that there was instead a blight there so they had to retreat (and that ogres are darkspawned Qunari).
Is there any canon lore confirmed about that? It gets me wondering what happened to the original people in Par Volen and if any survived, escaped, or are still there. And, if there are forces on their original homeland powerful enough to make the Qunari leave, what are they like? Exploring that stuff would make a kick ass expansion or DLC content for this game.
One wonders if the Qunari were chased off by the Kossith or vice versa. I can't imagine the Qunari simply leaving their homeland...unconverted.
Not really, there's a codex entry in DAO. A bit of info in Dawn of the Seeker and Asunder as well, but nothing major.
For the purposes of Inquisition's story the most relevant books, by far, are Masked Empire and Asunder. Which is a good thing since they are both very well-written!