Fair enough but I don't see how releasing something fast and shit is helping the genre.
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Fair enough but I don't see how releasing something fast and shit is helping the genre.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Just give me Kamiya's game already!
TheSpoiler
Member
Edit: An easier way to say this is: no developer has any obligation to fulfil the needs of the genre. They make games, people. When PG decides to start exiting the business and threatening others to come with them, your hyperbolic statements will ring true.
Until then, relax. More character action games will be on the way.
How are they turning action games into something cheap? There are countless other terrible titles in the genre but somehow PG is responsible for always being perfect and never working on something else?
You are tasking the weight of an entire genre on one developer. That's unhealthy and childish.
Until then, relax. More character action games will be on the way.
How are they turning action games into something cheap? There are countless other terrible titles in the genre but somehow PG is responsible for always being perfect and never working on something else?
You are tasking the weight of an entire genre on one developer. That's unhealthy and childish.
Better hope its not the B-Team working on Dks3
Please. The only combat system they've ever made a misstep with was with MadWorld's, and that just straight up wasn't a character action game.
Then ask yourself this, who is the current poster boy for character action games? Maybe a company that pretty much only makes character action games?
Itsuno is still the king but he hasn't made a new game in the genre in 7 years and Itakagi isn't even worth mentioning going by his current project.
So yeah, I would say that what PG does very much matters. And these licensed games will get way more exposure than their usual projects do (which are mostly bombs).
darkslayer101
Member
there is a set standard for souls games and I like that. doesn't matter either way is hype for me. Miyazaki = more attuned while Shibuya and Tanimura = content
Korra wasn't that great either...
AgentLampshade
Member
Still have faith. DMC5 at E3. Big announcement. Everyone happy.
Pretty OK with Platinum handling Transformers, largely because I'm not a Transformers fan so I've no stake in it. The idea of "cheapening" the genre is silly.
Pretty OK with Platinum handling Transformers, largely because I'm not a Transformers fan so I've no stake in it. The idea of "cheapening" the genre is silly.
TheSpoiler
Member
E3 isn't even here yet. We have no idea what any of the developers are working on, PG included. They might have more shit up their sleeve for people to jump onto. And last I heard, Scalebound is still a thing and still in development.
Itsuno could possibly be making DMC5 (according to JC, that is). Itakagi's new project might be butt, but I'll wait until it drops.
Point is, this generation has just begun and they've already dropped quite a few awesome games on us for the character action genre. You are simply getting angry at games a. not in the genre, and b. not being made by the main team.
It's like this is an image battle with you more so than the games. Like, the "genre looks like shit now because these developers are making different titles as side projects" rather than "no companies exists to make games of the character action genre at all".
You might not being saying the latter because we all know it ain't true.
Edit: If you wanna talk about image problems, the genre has been largely cheapened since the PS2 days, where big leaguers like Capcom created some pretty dreadful games. Somehow we all survived. Imagine that!
I'm mentioning E3 in general for games, not for Scalebound. In Scalebound's case, it's still a thing as far as I know. That's my point.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
we don't even know if Scalebound's a character action game. Could be a RPG or some shit
Is it? Korra was shit.
And them not doing well as a company is nothing to argue about, their games bomb left and right.
TheSpoiler
Member
Ever heard the phrase "correlation does not mean causation"?
You seem to think that the image of PG and the genre is why their games bomb. The two aren't related.
Like I mentioned on the previous page, their problem is that they are a one trick pony and that trick is a very niche genre.
Itsuno alone has made games in more genres than the entirety of PG combined.
LDK mode can't be done on current hardware.
TheSpoiler
Member
Okay, let me try to suss this out of you.
"The character action genre, admittedly niche, is solely maintained by PG. They only make character action games, which is a problem, because when they make side projects, it degrades the quality of the rest of their games and isn't worth it because they aren't good at anything else besides character action games.
So you want them to primarily focus on this niche, even though it's a complaint that they sometimes focus on other shit. "
I mean, they've made other stuff. Infinite World is an RPG, Anarchy Reigns is a fighter first and foremost, and Vanquish is a mix of a lot of things. Those games turned out well. I'm just not understanding the issue here.
If they want to survive as a company then they will have to be able to make high quality games in genres other than just one.
Higher texture quality, better visual fidelity, and the addition of LDK mode. This game, and along with DmC DE, wouldn't be able to run on last gen tech.
direct_quote
Member
Another disappointing E3 is par for the course for me...
Astral Dog
Member
Platinum Games isn't perfect but they have to survive somehow, their overall games have been well recieved critically and that's why they are still here, along with a devoted fanbase.
Its not fair to criticise them for making action games, like already said Vanquish, Anarchy Reigns, Scalebound, if you count them as part of Clover then they worked on more distinct games too, including Resident Evil titles.
While Korra was a disaster this could turn out a well made licensed game, otherwise their most anticipated Metal Gear Rising 2 depends on Konami.
Edit: if you want them to focus on other genres, thsts fine but they funded the company to focus on action, its still too soon to say they are in trouble.
Its not fair to criticise them for making action games, like already said Vanquish, Anarchy Reigns, Scalebound, if you count them as part of Clover then they worked on more distinct games too, including Resident Evil titles.
While Korra was a disaster this could turn out a well made licensed game, otherwise their most anticipated Metal Gear Rising 2 depends on Konami.
Edit: if you want them to focus on other genres, thsts fine but they funded the company to focus on action, its still too soon to say they are in trouble.
Inkvoterad
Member
Oh shit. Forgot about this. I suppose dissolve my 1 year long playthrough of dmc4 and get this version in a week.
I don't like that they're doing Transformers either but the narrative that they're somehow killing the genre or "turning it into something cheap" is pretty ridiculous. Guess what, there are other shitty character action games out there. Platinum may be the "poster child" but it's one nobody really gives a shit about as you can see by looking at their sales numbers. Yeah Korra was a bad game and they had neither budget nor time to make it but how about we wait and see with this one. Full price implies that they have a higher budget at least and if the gameplay is good I don't really care about the Transformers theme.
Even assuming that it's going to be bad, if it helps them surviving and they're continuing to make games like Bayo and MGR then I'm fine with that.
Even assuming that it's going to be bad, if it helps them surviving and they're continuing to make games like Bayo and MGR then I'm fine with that.
TheSpoiler
Member
Better than I could have put it.
It's funny because I enjoy Transformers (especially G1) and of course I love Platinum games.
I should be over the moon at this announcement... yet I am not?
It's like one of those things where you think "oh man wouldn't it be AWESOME if it happened?" and then when it happens you are like "I totally didn't ask for this..."
I guess it's more apt to say that I think while it's cool that PG is making Transformers, it makes it less likely that a MGR2 is in the works. It's really the economics of things. You can't have everything in the world so when one thing is made that means that another thing isn't getting made (like a DMC5 being made means a Dragon's Dogma 2 isn't being made).
I should be over the moon at this announcement... yet I am not?
It's like one of those things where you think "oh man wouldn't it be AWESOME if it happened?" and then when it happens you are like "I totally didn't ask for this..."
I guess it's more apt to say that I think while it's cool that PG is making Transformers, it makes it less likely that a MGR2 is in the works. It's really the economics of things. You can't have everything in the world so when one thing is made that means that another thing isn't getting made (like a DMC5 being made means a Dragon's Dogma 2 isn't being made).
darkslayer101
Member
I think people should have realized that something like MGR2 or Bayo or any high end P* game would have been announced at the stage rather than during a ign livestream...
ViewtifulJC
Banned
if it looks as crummy as Korra, aint nobody coming around
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Really depends. If it's another $15 budget game, not interested. If they really Platinum it up and it's at least as good as War for Cybertron, sure.
Where did someone say that they wouldn't be making DMC5 if DMC4SE doesn't garner enough interest? Capcom is full of shit, so I have no idea what would even qualify as enough for them.
Where did someone say that they wouldn't be making DMC5 if DMC4SE doesn't garner enough interest? Capcom is full of shit, so I have no idea what would even qualify as enough for them.
solokazama
Banned
and I just wanted to read if I can play Lady from the start or have to finish dmc4 3rd time
I love gaf
ps. Platinum is superb, if budgst is right; how come i see in this topic legend of kora? No studio in the world would do better on this contract
I love gaf
ps. Platinum is superb, if budgst is right; how come i see in this topic legend of kora? No studio in the world would do better on this contract
You can play her from start.
darkslayer101
Member
well he didn't straight up say that, just said he would like people to show support so the future of the franchise would continue sooner.
What I got from that was they haven't started working on DMC5... OR this could just be PR talk
Well playing shadow warrior at 60fps does give me a bad headache. Other's games are fine tho.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Isn't that more because of FoV?
What are the chances of this game getting a physical release in NA a few months down the road (sort of like what happened with that recent Wolfenstein game)? I understand that it's a different publisher, but I'm assuming if I download/play the digital version, my save file progress won't be recognized if a physical version DOES release. I'm also torn on whether or not if I should just import the Japanese physical edition, but then I couldn't technically download the extra costumes or whatever. =/
Is it? Seemed fine to me. Then again that may be because I'm desensitized to it.
TheSpoiler
Member
Definitely not going to happen. Just get the Japanese version and be done with it.
Seven Force
Banned
I feel like the only person here actually okay with the Transformers game, haha.
You would be able to get the costumes, but the only thing is (assuming we're talking PS4 here) You'd have to make a JP PSN account to redeem the code, and you'd have to be logged in to the JP account to use the content.
That said, Ducktales Remastered got a physical release later down the line, and that was across three platforms. Hope against hope and all that.
You would be able to get the costumes, but the only thing is (assuming we're talking PS4 here) You'd have to make a JP PSN account to redeem the code, and you'd have to be logged in to the JP account to use the content.
That said, Ducktales Remastered got a physical release later down the line, and that was across three platforms. Hope against hope and all that.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Shadow Warrior is a pretty visually intense game. The camera zooms all over the place when you sprint and wobbles when you use your sword specials. I don't think 60 fps would cause a problem in a 3rd person action game.
Hmm...I don't know what to doooooo. I've already played the balls out of this game back on 360 when it first launched and got all 1000/1000 Achievements/S-ranks and all that jazz...but it's DMC4. Why did Capcom USA have to be such a boner in regards to a physical edition. So stupid.
I played and 1000d DMC4, putting in countless hours. I have this preordered on PSN, Xbone, and PC. And importing the regular and pizza box editions.
Go buy it.
EDIT: Double post. Sorry about that. Not used to posting mobile.
RiderKairuu
Member
I'm excited about it, honestly. I feel like a few folks are assessing it unfairly because it's not the thing that they wanted Platinum to work on, which is weird when you consider how often we see the "Platinum should make everything" notion.