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Smash Bros. DLC Thread 2: Super Smash Bros Special Broadcast Coming in December 2015

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Rosur

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I asked this in the NX thread, but I realized that it'd be just as relevant in this thread. Do you think that the NX Platform will see a Smash 4 port with all of the DLC included? Assuming that Smash 4 DLC development ends this month, Sakurai may pursue a passion project after a possible (well-deserved) break. If that happens, the NX Platform would be left without a Smash game for at least 5 years unless Sakurai either goes straight to Smash 5 or lets someone else take the reigns as director. That's why I think Smash 4 will see an NX Platform port, but I'm curious as to what you guys think.

I really hope there is it would make a good launch game and give people who have a Wii u for smash to upgrade. (Maybe if purchased digitally you'd get it free on the NX.)

Also it would go along side Zelda port and whatever else they bring for launch (Metroid).
 

IntelliHeath

As in "Heathcliff"
What about third party characters that got released as DLC? If they bundled everything so I wonder how they would work out with the licenses and contracts?
 

Neoxon

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I don't see how. The Wii U didn't see a huge success with it, and getting a port and splitting the base for esports wouldn't be great. They need new games to get people to buy in.

We will get a game that plays like Smash without the Smash name. I think Nintendo vs. Capcom is the likely choice, but it could go other ways.
But that's more of the Wii U's fault than Smash 4's. That plus the 3DS version's existence took away much of the hype from said Wii U version.
 

Jawmuncher

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What about third party characters that got released as DLC? If they bundled everything so I wonder how they would work out with the licenses and contracts?

Just a case of contracts. They could have already signed stuff like "If we release a new version of the game these characters can be included".
 

Ryce

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Sakurai has probably come to terms with being the Smash Bros. guy. I think he’ll be involved with the series until he retires. They’re by far his most successful games, and he even said he’ll never make as many people happy working on anything else. Ideally, I’d like to see him work on small, quirky passion projects in between Smash Bros. just to maintain his sanity.
 
Sakurai has probably come to terms with being the Smash Bros. guy. I think he’ll be involved with the series until he retires. They’re by far his most successful games, and he even said he’ll never make as many people happy working on anything else. Ideally, I’d like to see him work on small, quirky passion projects in between Smash Bros. just to maintain his sanity.
Like kid Icarus 2 for nx :)
 

Pokemaniac

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I asked this in the NX thread, but I realized that it'd be just as relevant in this thread. Do you think that the NX Platform will see a Smash 4 port with all of the DLC included? Assuming that Smash 4 DLC development ends this month, Sakurai may pursue a passion project after a possible (well-deserved) break. If that happens, the NX Platform would be left without a Smash game for at least 5 years unless Sakurai either goes straight to Smash 5 or lets someone else take the reigns as director. That's why I think Smash 4 will see an NX Platform port, but I'm curious as to what you guys think.

As I said in the other thread. NX will get either an enhanced version of Smash 4, or a proper Smash 5. Not both. So choose which one you want wisely.
 

Richie

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I heavily, immensely support a NX remaster for the reasons detailed in a previous thread:

Fellows accusing those supporting this of wanting to rebuy the same game may have missed key points in the thread's premise.

Namely, that for the first time in its history, this installment of Smash had 2 different versions, each with their own exclusive modes, stages, trophies, music (yeah, not all 3DS tunes made it over). A great incentive for a remaster would lie in offering everything in one single, meaty package.

Going from the base game alone, not counting DLC:
There's 28 stages exclusive to the 3DS version.
There's 38 stages exclusive to the Wii U one.

And 7 stages shared in between both (for the sake of simplicity I'm counting Flatzone 2 and Flatzone X as the same).

That leaves us with 73 stages for a single package. Add the 8 DLC stages we have so far (counting Midgar) and that's 81 stages the game could offer in a NX remaster. A crazy amount of content, and that's with the very generous, even naive assumption that we aren't getting more beyond Midgar.

That's another point, DLC. So far there's been 5 characters offered as DLC, with more almost guaranteed on the way. While both the Wii U version and the 3DS version can have these, a remaster could ensure these characters are more ingrained in the base game. Give them their own challenges, give them custom specials, make them feature in the Events.

In the case of Ryu, more could be done to give Street Fighter exposure on par with the one Sonic, Mega Man and Pac-Man got, in the form of its own assist trophy and more trophies to represent the franchise (More music beyond just two tunes and remixes of them, too). This could apply to Final Fantasy as well if Cloud's arrival is just as meager in the assist trophy/trophies department.

That's not even touching on potentially having Smash Run and Smash Tour in the same package, or the bells and whistles they could add with a remaster (and knowing Sakurai, likely would), such as new stages, assist trophies, items, music, maybe modes, hell even a handful of characters exclusive to the NX version.

People saying Sakurai isn't a machine are right, but wouldn't a remaster on these terms be much more liberating to him than starting a whole new installment from the ground up? The man stresses 'to the brink of death' with all the work a new installment carries.

"The amount of stress I feel, it's almost to the brink of death...Because it's not just a matter of me personally thinking this character or that character is going to be in the game; it's that we also have the game balance, animation, graphics and sound to think about in order to make that character fully fleshed out in that universe. I have to think about all of that when I go through this decision-making process.

Whether it's a minor character or a character that is one of the most highly skilled and most played...if that character is removed from the game, the people who live for that character in Smash Bros. are going to have their feelings hurt.

I think we have to really consider that, so I take a very serious, hard look at that and have empathy for the players who look for these type of characters when we're making these decisions."


With Super Smash Brothers for Wii U, Sakurai's team has reached a technical triumph, making the animations more fluid than ever while attaining an impressive 60fps and 1080p. There's no need for all the hard work this man and his team poured here to go to the trash can. Much less with all the pressure from characters being cut, and the realities of game development. Letting all this go to waste and start anew with Smash 5 is akin to Sakurai climbing the Everest, then having him go all the way down to start climbing a mountain twice as big; that of fans' expectations.

Seriously, I think it's one hell of a win-win situation for all involved.
 
The only other time a Smash port was being considered, it was in place of an actual new game (Melee w/Online instead of Brawl). I don't expect that to change, especially since Smash's once-per-generation status likely helps its sales significantly.

Fighting games in general have multiple editions, sometimes over multiple generations, and do just fine.

Ultra Street Fighter IV on the PS4 isn't going to hurt the sales of SFV. Likewise, "Ultra" Smash 4 wouldn't hurt the sales of a Smash game that came out 4-5 years later. If anything, it might help the sales as it keeps people active in the game.
 

Fury Sense

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Neoxon

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If they want to trump over Cloud. A character from a rival would be the way to do it.
But as stated before, I'm not sure if Nintendo is even planning on topping Cloud with the Special Broadcast. And if Nintendo even wanted to add a character from a rival company, Banjo & Kazooie would be the best candidates for that.
 

Jawmuncher

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But as stated before, I'm not sure if Nintendo is even planning on topping Cloud with the Special Broadcast. And if Nintendo even wanted to add a character from a rival company, Banjo & Kazooie would be the best candidates for that.

Yeah I wasn't specifically meaning Master Chief only. Banjo even with his nintendo ties would still be a big deal due to his new home. As for if nintendo is planing on topping Cloud. that's a 50/50 it seems. It's possible it won't happen, but I wouldn't completely write it off either.
 

Neoxon

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Yeah I wasn't specifically meaning Master Chief only. Banjo even with his nintendo ties would still be a big deal due to his new home. As for if nintendo is planing on topping Cloud. that's a 50/50 it seems. It's possible it won't happen, but I wouldn't completely write it off either.
I'm not writing it off completely, I just recognize the possibility that Cloud's reveal during the Direct could have just been to lure the casual Nintendo fan into the Special Broadcast. Maybe Nintendo has a bigger ace up their sleeve, maybe they don't. We won't know for sure until the Special Broadcast.
 
But as stated before, I'm not sure if Nintendo is even planning on topping Cloud with the Special Broadcast. And if Nintendo even wanted to add a character from a rival company, Banjo & Kazooie would be the best candidates for that.

I honestly kinda like the idea of Master Chief more considering Halo is a cornerstone of gaming in the same way games like Street Fighter 2 and Final Fantasy 7 are. Banjo Kazooie/Tooie are great but not really as impactful for the industry in the same way as the other games I've mentioned.
 
As I said in the other thread. NX will get either an enhanced version of Smash 4, or a proper Smash 5. Not both. So choose which one you want wisely.

It's looking more likely than ever that Smash 5 wouldn't come in the first half of the NX' life like Melee, Brawl and 4 did. If Smash 5 isn't coming until 2020 in the earliest, then it totally makes sense to do a remaster next year or early 2017.
 
What about third party characters that got released as DLC? If they bundled everything so I wonder how they would work out with the licenses and contracts?

I feel like, if Nintendo is doing an NX port, they have already been planning to do it for some time. So Nintendo would probably contract these fighters with this rerelease in mind already.
 

Jawmuncher

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If there is a NX port the thing I would be most interested in seeing is if the new cover art would include the Third Party characters.
 
Fighting games in general have multiple editions, sometimes over multiple generations, and do just fine.

Ultra Street Fighter IV on the PS4 isn't going to hurt the sales of SFV. Likewise, "Ultra" Smash 4 wouldn't hurt the sales of a Smash game that came out 4-5 years later. If anything, it might help the sales as it keeps people active in the game.

The tricky part is that USF4 for PS4 was simply "PS4 port of previous gen SF". The closest equivalent is Melee "with support for Wii Remote" instead of online.
 

RomanceDawn

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Guys remember the job listing for Smash 6 way before the 3DS version even released? Smash 3DS(4) Smash Wii U(5). Someone else has to remember! It seemed ridiculous to even consider at the time but hardware sales probably had Nintendo getting ready for the future.

With the way Wii U was going, even then I couldn't help but wonder if they were going to try and Ultra this Smash out for Nintendo's next console.

Smash Wii U x 3DS could survive for an entire generation that hasn't even begun yet. Give us 10 more stages, 10 more characters(give me Ridley and Dixie and I'm set for life), a hazard toggle, better online features and we would all be set for a very long time.

The competitive guys would move on in a heart beat, especially if they could have Yoshi's island, that big Pokemon City, Smashvill and Pyrosphere in their legal rotation.
 
Like kid Icarus 2 for nx :)

Slighty OT
I don't even need KI2 to start, just Kid Icarus Uprising 1 on Wii U with Gamepad/controller support and I'd be golden. Everybody I have shown that first one to loved it, but everybody had the same issue with the controls.


Does anybody have the results from the Smash Ballot- or has that information not been revealed yet? I could have sworn I saw some kind of results page awhile back, but my google-fu is weak today.
 
Guys remember the job listing for Smash 6 way before the 3DS version even released? Smash 3DS(4) Smash Wii U(5). Someone else has to remember! It seemed ridiculous to even consider at the time but hardware sales probably had Nintendo getting ready for the future.

With the way Wii U was going, even then I couldn't help but wonder if they were going to try and Ultra this Smash out for Nintendo's next console.

Smash Wii U x 3DS could survive for an entire generation that hasn't even begun yet. Give us 10 more stages, 10 more characters(give me Ridley and Dixie and I'm set for life), a hazard toggle, better online features and we would all be set for a very long time.

The competitive guys would move on in a heart beat, especially if they could have Yoshi's island, that big Pokemon City, Smashvill and Pyrosphere in their legal rotation.
I remember that listing and jokingly thought it was for the dlc team lol
Slighty OT
I don't even need KI2 to start, just Kid Icarus Uprising 1 on Wii U with Gamepad/controller support and I'd be golden. Everybody I have shown that first one to loved it, but everybody had the same issue with the controls.


Does anybody have the results from the Smash Ballot- or has that information not been revealed yet? I could have sworn I saw some kind of results page awhile back, but my google-fu is weak today.
I'd be okay with that too
 

Neiteio

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It's kind of hilarious to me that Sakurai was working on Cloud this past year while all of us were speculating everyone but Cloud

Mashpotato Samurai be all like

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as we all herp and derp about K. Rool
 

mindsale

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I hope the next batch of DLC doesn't take up more than 4 gigs, 'cause after the Xenoblade X patches, that's all I've got free.
 
Ok, so Knuckles has jumped up my list a few notches after seeing what could be possible for the character as a Wolf style character to Sonic.

The idea of Knuckles being in Smash is actually pretty funny now that I think about it but I feel like Sakurai would probably prioritize Tails first, if we ever get to the point where Smash starts adding secondary third party characters like that. Tails was there before Knuckles and is essentially Sonic's Luigi.
 
The idea of Knuckles being in Smash is actually pretty funny now that I think about it but I feel like Sakurai would probably prioritize Tails first, if we ever get to the point where Smash starts adding secondary third party characters like that. Tails was there before Knuckles and is essentially Sonic's Luigi.

As it should be dammit! Side kicks before knuckleheads!

I love knuckles too, that lovable gullible echidna
 
Magic 8 ball strikes again

How so? There's 6 years between Melee and Brawl, and another 6 between Brawl and 4.The absolute latest the NX is going to hit is 2017 (and that's if it doesn't make 2016 for whatever reason).

If Sakurai is indeed going to take a break, Smash very well might not hit until 2020, when the NX will be a minimum of three years old. A remaster in the NX' first year would make sense, because there will probably be a sizable gulf between the NX' launch and Smash 5.
 
The idea of Knuckles being in Smash is actually pretty funny now that I think about it but I feel like Sakurai would probably prioritize Tails first, if we ever get to the point where Smash starts adding secondary third party characters like that. Tails was there before Knuckles and is essentially Sonic's Luigi.
The difference between Luigi and Tails is that the Mario Bros. are always seen as a duo, while Sonic's crew is almost always seen as a trio. Tails hasn't been Sonic's Luigi since Sonic 2. Tails certainly has seniority over Knuckles, but both characters are neck and neck as secondary Sonic characters, while Luigi is unquestionably Mario's sole sidekick.
 
Are they going to let us play the superior 3DS stages on the Wii U?

I can't agree with the "superior" sentiment, but the idea of having access to more stages makes me happy. It'd be nice to be able to grab all of the exclusive 3DS stuff- not to mention any of the previous games' stages that haven't made their way over. I don't need them to be enhanced in any way- just dump them there, charge me a buck per, and I'd probably do it.
 

Tyeforce

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The difference between Luigi and Tails is that the Mario Bros. are always seen as a duo, while Sonic's crew is almost always seen as a trio. Tails hasn't been Sonic's Luigi since Sonic 2. Tails certainly has seniority over Knuckles, but both characters are neck and neck as secondary Sonic characters, while Luigi is unquestionably Mario's sole sidekick.
Not really... While Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles often come together in a trio now, there are many more instances of Sonic and Tails being a duo without Knuckles, even in recent years. For example, Tails is Sonic's sidekick in Sonic Generations and Sonic Lost World, while Knuckles doesn't tag along. And Knuckles isn't even in games like Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colors (Wii), and Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode II, while Tails is. I don't think there's ever been an instance of Knuckles being in a Sonic game that Tails isn't in, yet the opposite happens quite often. Tails just makes the most sense for a second Sonic rep in Smash Bros., if it were to ever happen. The only character that might be arguably on par with Tails is Dr. Eggman, but while Eggman could work I think Tails is better suited.
 

polg

Member
I kinda need the update out before the 15/12... can someone give Sakurai a call and make sure this happens?
 

Neiteio

Member
*Neiteio logs onto GAF*

...

*still no sign of a Cloud release*

*Neiteio sighs and walks outside*

...

*up in the sky, there are clouds*

*Neiteio stares at the clouds*

...

*the clouds form into Cloud*

...

*Neiteio sighs harder*
 
The difference between Luigi and Tails is that the Mario Bros. are always seen as a duo, while Sonic's crew is almost always seen as a trio. Tails hasn't been Sonic's Luigi since Sonic 2. Tails certainly has seniority over Knuckles, but both characters are neck and neck as secondary Sonic characters, while Luigi is unquestionably Mario's sole sidekick.

One thing to consider is that with Sonic Unleashed, Colors, Generations, Sonic 4 Ep 2 and Lost World, Knuckles was kind of shoved to the sidelines while Tails was pretty much second banana to Sonic. I guess in Sonic Boom Knuckles is one of the main characters, but uh...yeah.
 
One thing to consider is that with Sonic Unleashed, Colors, Generations, Sonic 4 Ep 2 and Lost World, Knuckles was kind of shoved to the sidelines while Tails was pretty much second banana to Sonic. I guess in Sonic Boom Knuckles is one of the main characters, but uh...yeah.

Actually the way Tails/Knuckles seniority is perceived heavily depends on when one got into Sonic. Recently, games really seem to leave Knuckles off... and also heavily reduce Tails's action prowess. So, um, well.
 

Platy

Member
Has anything been announced about the stream yet or does this keep getting bumped for speculation?

We live in a small moment between Cloud reveal and the last dlc announced.

That small moment when EVERYTHING is possible because Cloud completly destroyed every single amount of logic Sakurai ever showed.

We are the most powerfull moments of speculation ... the night is darkest before the dawn.
 

Neiteio

Member
*Neiteio comes back in from the cold, dejected at seeing Cloud in the clouds, a reminder that the character is not yet available*

*Neiteio turns on the TV. On the TV, a Japanese man has his back turned. The man has a distinctively Sakurai-like silhouette, and is wearing a tiger-stripe shirt.*

MAN ON TV: "Tomorrow, we will have Cloud..."

*Neiteio's eyes go wide*

MAN ON TV: "...s in the sky, since it's going to rain."

*The man on the TV turns around, revealing himself to be the new meteorologist, Forecastahiro Weatherai.*

ANCHORS: "Thanks, Forecastahiro." *stifling laugh at tiger-stripe shirt* "Next, in sports news..."

NEITEIO: "Goddammit."
 
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