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VALVE fires DOTA tourney host, Gabe Newell calls the host "an ass" publicly on Reddit

sephi22

Member
I can't tell if this is real. Is this real?
What is hard for you to believe? Their sentiment or their claims?
Their claims are legit. Valve has regressed when it comes to some customer friendly policies they used to have before.
Whether Valve is evil or like Activision or whatever is subjective.
 
I see lots of reddit gold has been thrown around amidst all this. Still don't know what that is lol. I mean I do after looking it up now, but what use would Gabe and James have for that? It's not like they're regular posters. Also, it's people basically paying $4 for a post they found good lol.
 

sephi22

Member
It's for those special occasions where upvotes are not enough to signify the extent of your agreement with the poster. It's basically 'I like your post so much, I'm willing to throw money at it.'

It amounts to nothing at the end of the day, besides making posts look fancy when people revisit them and see the amount they were gilded.
 

kionedrik

Member
I can't tell if this is real. Is this real?

Stop being a corporate apologist.

Valve might have done a lot of good in the past. Fuck, they might have single-handedly saved PC gaming. But they are a corporation and corporations only care about one thing, their bottom line, and it's undeniable to notice the greedy trends in everything they do now.
 

old

Member
Valve not paying casters at all and even later trying to make them work on nothing but signature commission? I doubt few if any employees at Valve would give up their guaranteed salaries, bonuses, and benefits to instead live off commission. The decision to make others do that reeks of the very elitism James talked about. Fuck that and Fuck Valve.
 

wheeplash

Member
My experience with this community has been uncontrollable racism and hate. What these people did to the innocent citizens of Peru is racial bludgeoning.
I'm Peruvian and we're far from being an innocent bunch. If anything, I appreciate all the trash talk since I have the tiniest hope someone else will take it personally and start fucking making some changes in this god forbiden place and we can finally leave fucking stone age little by little.

/rant
 
I can't tell if this is real. Is this real?

I think a lot of the decisions Valve have operated on over the last few years are anti-consumer and the only thing that motivates them to back-peddle on them is huge public backlash. From refunds to their lack of curation on their store and trying to slide in paid mods where content creates get 1/4 of the profit to gimmicky Dota modes that are skipped out on without warning; the only thing that ever seems to motivate them to operate in their consumers interest is if enough people notice and complain.
 

f0rk

Member
It's the Valve mantra of outsourcing as much as possible coming back to bite them again.

There should be someone in charge of the talent both before and at the event but 2GDs post clearly shows this position doesn't exist at Valve.

They need to make a public statement, but who would the community expect that to come from? There is no official voice so instead we get a really poorly thought out post from the CEO??? And now they probably need to respond again, who's going to do that?
 

Risible

Member
So what exactly did Valve expect when they hired him? everyone in that scene knows how he rolls.

Exactly. It was no secret the guy is a total douche on camera. It's the story of the frog and the scorpion, and Valve is surprised it got stung. Why did you hire the scorpion in the first place?
 

Nzyme32

Member
It's really more of a case of the communities growing despite the quality of their games tbqh.

CS:GO got very little support apart from the occasional patch or update. It only really became the monster it is today when Valve figured they could monetize in every aspect of the game (skins, operations, etc). Before that happened it was the fans that kept it going with custom games, maps, etc. Valve recently even went out of their way to shut down some of these community managed servers.

Dota experienced similar issues. It got more attention than CS:GO did because it was a newer game, but it's impossible to forget the clusterfuck that Reborn launch was, the loss of features and the sheer amount of bugs we got. It's also impossible to look away at the fact they are slow feeding us content that should have been in the game years ago, we still don't have hero parity with dota 1 for instance, while constantly pushing out more hats and compendiums.

At the end of the day it was a very poor showing from both parties and I honestly think Valve should have shown more respect towards someone that helped their game be what it is today. It's undeniable the good that his work during TI2 and TI3, mainly, did for the game, especially if you consider that at that time it was nearing the end of the Beta stage.

Also, after reading James essay, it looks like one of the main issues between Valve and him was that Valve was trying to sell this game as a sport, surely to increase even further the target audience and maximize the hat sales. E-sports are not sports and will never be, and that's a good thing.

I don't think you have kept up with CSGO at all. The support lately has been impeccable. Even the most minor crap gets looked. Certainly wasn't the case several months back though.

Stop being a corporate apologist.

Valve might have done a lot of good in the past. Fuck, they might have single-handedly saved PC gaming. But they are a corporation and corporations only care about one thing, their bottom line, and it's undeniable to notice the greedy trends in everything they do now.

This is just ridiculous at this point. Nothing in that sentence by the other poster has anything to do with being "a corporate apologist". That you can wrangle that up from such a comment says a lot about your position.

So what exactly did Valve expect when they hired him? everyone in that scene knows how he rolls.

I thoroughly enjoyed watch 2GD at previous TIs and what he does at other events. He has always been a bit more reserved for TI vs other events. However this was beyond his usual for such an event. In my opinion it is thoroughly deserved, especially when it is suggested that he was given warning about what he was doing. I can certainly sympathise with how frustrating it must have been to work with such a mess of a production regardless, but he went off from the start ridiculing on a level that seems obviously overboard even for his standard. It's a shame, because what he did would be genuinely amusing if on a different stream, and I think this may negatively impact some of the other casters, particularly the Brits that have been so fantastically informative, funny and offensive in the right amounts.
 

Woo-Fu

Banned
Valve has been winging some of this stuff for so long it was only a matter of time before a major stumble revealed how half-assed their approach was to these events, well outside of using them to pickpocket the dota2 fans---which they're remarkably good at. Too big, too fast, isn't exactly a new story.

James should file suit ASAP. I mean, "Please hold off on your statement until Gabe has time to call you an ass on a public forum, OK?" That's a smoking gun right there.

After this Valve will probably hire Jack the Ripper to manage their new line of brothels and get pissed when the talent starts disappearing mysteriously.
 

Tovarisc

Member
James should file suit ASAP. I mean, "Please hold off on your statement until Gabe has time to call you an ass on a public forum, OK?" That's a smoking gun right there.

Is there anything James could really do if he has to take it into US court? At least what I keep hearing about employee protection laws etc. in US is that they are garbage tier, somewhere below 3rd world countries. Hopefully what I have heard is wrong tho.
 

Mohasus

Member
James should file suit ASAP. I mean, "Please hold off on your statement until Gabe has time to call you an ass on a public forum, OK?" That's a smoking gun right there.

Is that a good idea considering the amount of shit he spits out when hosting?

I was watching the first day of the majors wondering about how the players felt hearing those things about them.

I didn't read his statement, but being called an ass is nothing compared to the words he uses.
 

Spirited

Mine is pretty and pink
Is that a good idea considering the amount of shit he spits out when hosting?

I was watching the first day of the majors wondering about how the players felt hearing those things about them.

I didn't read his statement, but being called an ass is nothing compared to the words he uses.

You can begin with and look through the players twitter like for example Wagamama's as he joked pretty hard about him.

So far I've only seen support from players.
 

Trickster

Member
Is that a good idea considering the amount of shit he spits out when hosting?

I was watching the first day of the majors wondering about how the players felt hearing those things about them.

I didn't read his statement, but being called an ass is nothing compared to the words he uses.

I'm pretty sure if any players had an isue with 2gd's jokes, they'd have told him to stop, and he would have. Dude has a very sharp humor, but I've never once seen him say stuff in a way that made me thing he was trying to be genuinely mean to someone.

Also, if you can't see the difference between 2GD saying something in a joking fashion (regardless of how you personally feel about it), and having the billionaire boss of Valve publically call you an ass after making your friend fire you then I don't even know what to say.
 

Syder

Member
I see lots of reddit gold has been thrown around amidst all this. Still don't know what that is lol. I mean I do after looking it up now, but what use would Gabe and James have for that? It's not like they're regular posters. Also, it's people basically paying $4 for a post they found good lol.
Some people use it as a way to 'validate' posts. Usually, people give it out to great quality/really funny posts.
 
If being himself means being an unprofessional caster who insults others to make himself feel good then of course he will be let go. Personally I find people who act like that very annoying. Valve gave him another chance and he fucked it up again. Nothing more needs to be said, Gabes ass comment is tame for the most part.
 

Trickster

Member
If being himself means being an unprofessional caster who insults others to make himself feel good then of course he will be let go. Personally I find people who act like that very annoying. Valve gave him another chance and he fucked it up again. Nothing more needs to be said, Gabes ass comment is tame for the most part.

So much wrong with this post, holy shit
 

sbkodama

Member
Never been a fan of valve but can't deny that they were good, for game, for comunity, but today ?
I wonder who I would mostly call an ass...
 

Spirited

Mine is pretty and pink
Seems like peoples sentiment here is well it needs to be professional to be recognized as a real "sport" or something. But why the hell did they hire 2GD if they wanted a professional host to begin with?
Why did ICEFROG say "be yourself"?

It just feels so out of touch to begin with.
If they are going for getting a bigger audience by getting non-players and even casual cable-tv watchers or something in this (Is it even broadcasted on ESPN this time around lol) then why the hell did they hire him to beginw ith and why the hell did Valve's CEO go on reddit and call him an ass after he fired him?
 

Ludens

Banned
Newell's reply is out of place. No matter what the dude did, or how he acts when presenting the show. Some things should be discussed behind the scene, not on reddit in my opinion.
 

LiQuid!

I proudly and openly admit to wishing death upon the mothers of people I don't like
What a boorish, no-talent d-bag. Gabe absolutely did the right thing. Hard to believe someone like that is employable in the first place.

This is my favorite kind of post in this thread.

"Gabe did the right thing by hiring a guy who is known for being boorish and then firing him and shaming him publicly for being boorish." -Person on Internet who watched 3 minute highlight reel of 2GD being boorish on camera.
 

Syder

Member
What a boorish, no-talent d-bag. Gabe absolutely did the right thing. Hard to believe someone like that is employable in the first place.
Yeah but they hired him knowing what he was like then fired him after one day. Also, some would argue he is actually a talented host, he just has a problem with being unnecessarily obnoxious. He is very employable, which probably is a symptom of how far ESports has to go to not be a toxic mess.

You clearly haven't read much of this thread, Valve are almost definitely in the wrong here.
 

Huff

Banned
I think there's a lot of blame to go around from both sides. And James probably took the Icefog message more literal than he should of and pushed the line.

But Valve using his best friend to fire him is so shitty I can't even comprehend
 
How many of you are even watching the stream right now? Real discussion is happening right now without BS 'edginess'. I think the naysayers suddenly decided to use this opportunity to pile on Valve.
 

Aselith

Member
I think there's a lot of blame to go around from both sides. And James probably took the Icefog message more literal than he should of and pushed the line.

But Valve using his best friend to fire him is so shitty I can't even comprehend

They used a Valve employee.Like Gabe is up on their relationship status lmao
 

Nzyme32

Member
Newell's reply is out of place. No matter what the dude did, or how he acts when presenting the show. Some things should be discussed behind the scene, not on reddit in my opinion.

Language aside, do you really think the Dota community watching the event were not going to talk and run into rampant speculation of the host being removed and no panels when the English production team disappeared. Someone had to make a public statement as the effects to the English side of the event are massively obvious.

Going as far as calling him an ass while doing so is questionable since no one outside knows the full truth of why he got fired. We assume it was due to unprofessionalism, and if you were watching you can blatantly see why. Throughout the day he progressively got worse even by his standards. He even called himself out part way through the day saying in a half joking manner he wouldn't be back anyway after this.

I don't get this logic. You're not allowed to hire someone, then fire them if you don't like their services?

I generally love the Brit sense of humour and mockery that goes on with 2GD, yet he was always more reserved in other TI events yet was still fantastic. In this event he goes far further and even I thought it was wrong to do for that broadcast. It's a massive shame since previously he was doing really well in my opinion outside of a few incidents. This was on a whole other level though.
 

Aselith

Member
I don't get this logic. You're not allowed to hire someone, then fire them if you don't like their services?

They knew he could be an ass so it shouldn't matter if he was considerably more of an ass than usual! Because that's how anything works.
 

Bluth54

Member
I see lots of reddit gold has been thrown around amidst all this. Still don't know what that is lol. I mean I do after looking it up now, but what use would Gabe and James have for that? It's not like they're regular posters. Also, it's people basically paying $4 for a post they found good lol.
When I posted the news that TF2 was getting comp matchmaking in the TF2 subreddit someone gave me a month of gold even though I just happened to be the fastest person to post the news.
 
They knew he could be an ass so it shouldn't matter if he was considerably more of an ass than usual! Because that's how anything works.

He was given a leash, which was Bruno's backing. Valve made no secret their dissatisfaction with his performance before. He should have been on his toes, but barreled ahead like a bull in a china shop. Icefrog may have told him to be himself, but icefrog wasn't his boss. Gabe calls the shots and so he severed 2GD AND the production crew.
 
Using a programmer to fire someone they wouldn't have any contact with besides being friends MAKES A TON OF SENSE

Next you'll be telling me that there's hypocrisy in Gabe firing a guy for being unprofessional whilst representing his company then publicly insulting him as the managing director of said company.
 
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