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I was wondering where he went
Yeah, I wish I could flip like Daredevil does
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
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Hahaha.
That's like announcing that in the sequel to Gotham when Bruce becomes Batman, Alfred will feature in the show and be "very involved" in it.
I cant really reveal anything about it, unfortunately, but he's very involved in our story and Bruces journey.
Wow! No shit!
That's like announcing that in the sequel to Gotham when Bruce becomes Batman, Alfred will feature in the show and be "very involved" in it.
I cant really reveal anything about it, unfortunately, but he's very involved in our story and Bruces journey.
Wow! No shit!
peanutbutterlatte
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She was absolutely insufferable in Jessica Jones. Just a truly awful character.
She honestly had no reason to be there. Her subplot was a drag during the show.
Daredevil's flip got nothing on Roy
Da-Kid
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Daredevil's flips actually have a reason to them. They hit people and he actually dodges things. Roy does flips for absolutely no reason other than to do a flip.
The Artisan
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i don't wanna be a party pooper but i can't stop thinking about that gaf thread about casting an asian as danny rand 
Danny Brand could totally be Asian. And fight Steel Falcon and Wolf Brother number 1i don't wanna be a party pooper but i can't stop thinking about that gaf thread about casting an asian as danny brand
The Artisan
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he totally could've been, but he totally ain't. they got a white guy.
imagine if they got Glenn...it would've been so awesome
Daredevil's flips actually have a reason to them. They hit people and he actually dodges things. Roy does flips for absolutely no reason other than to do a flip.
Let's be fair here
If I was able to do those flips I would do them all the time
Grocery shopping, flips
Walking the dog, flips
chilling in the pub, flips
Sitting in the office, flips
Explain how.
~Devil Trigger~
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The Artisan
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I'd like to know this too
Heimdall isn't white like he is in the comics. Flash Thompson isn't white like he is in the comics. Mary Jane Watson ain't white like she is in the comics. I have no choice but to accept it, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have favored an Asian still.
I don't get it...you say the purpose is defeated if they made Danny Asian, but it sounds like you're implying that if he wasn't yet cast, then there would be a purpose?
If you haven't got enough conviction in your arguments to elaborate on your reasoning when you choose to take part in a discussion, don't expect many people to take your viewpoint seriously, especially when all your argument seems to amount is "Because the character is white in the comics".
The dramatic subtext of Danny Rand's origin wasn't that he was trained as a white guy trained in a predominantly Asian world. It was that he was an outsider training in a foreign environment. The actor playing Danny Rand happening to be Asian wouldn't negate that subtext, nor would it do anything to undermine the character's dramatic agency.
I don't think Danny Brand has been casted yet.
The Artisan
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thank you...not only that, but having an asian american get the role in a high profile superhero tv show would help open the door for more asian americans to have a chance as well. or at least, it should.
either way...i still think they should've gone with an asian guy
I fucked up.
Sigh, I hate to get in this conversation butt. Folks are just looking at "white dude does kung fu", but people don't actually look at the character. Rand is white dude that comes from old money, not just old money but Old Tony Stark money. But he forsakes all that to hang with a black dude from Harlem. Luke and Danny 's relationship is something unique in comics and I don't think the pay off would be the same with 2 minorities.
Yep. That dynamic is something I'm really looking forward to. Hes one white dude with a black girlfriend, black bestie and another half Asian bestie. It works.
That's gonna be a hard balance for them I think. So much can go wrong with getting Danny and his interactions with other people right.
KeyBladerXIII
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he totally could've been, but he totally ain't. they got a white guy.
imagine if they got Glenn...it would've been so awesome
Nah, get Yeun for Amadeus Cho.
Yeun must going to play his father
Am I crazy or was the doctor in Age of Ultron a relative named Cho?
Get Yeun to play Amadeus Cho Sr., hooks up with Helen and has an Amadeus Cho Jr.
Have Yeun be the Amadeus Cho from the comics, save Cho Jr. down the line for MCU phase 15 and pair him with a live action Hiro Hamada and Big Hero 6.
That's what I thought. Hoping more comes from that character. Amadeus Cho being an annoying snot in the moves would be pretty good.
The Artisan
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why should it matter that it's two minorities? Isn't the part that shows diversity is that it's a team of two people with 2 different races?
i don't know who that is
BronsonLee
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He's the dude who really hates baseball
The easy way would be to make half asian. Still an outsider in kunlun, being rich would cover all the "privileged asshole" pretty well and would be less worst if they fuckup showing that he is a shit immortal weapon.
Going with white dude they are walking on eggshells to everything.
I have faith that if anyone can pull this off is Marvel Netflix since they already pulled harder stuff on Jessica Jones, but it is NOT an easy task to do
Dongs Macabre
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Does the show have any Asian or Asian-American writers? That would make me feel more optimistic about the show.
The only announced writer is Tamara Becher ... so we don't know yet.
The two directors announced (1 for the first two episodes and other for an unknow episode) are not asian or asian americans.
lightskintwin
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C'mon Slayven, nothing of value would have been lost had they changed the character's race.
TickleMeElbow
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So is that Shang Chi dude going to be in this or no?
Interactions and situations between a black dude and white dude would be very different than one between an Asian and a black man
All thought if it was taking place in Compton they could have something interesting.
Nah b
darkhunger
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No. unless it's a well kept secret within the show.
The rumor that they were looking to cast him was debunked months ago IIRC.
This is obviously not going to be a Luke Cage-like celebration of Asian-American culture. Marvel has made that very clear In their communications so far, and the lack of key cast members and production staff who are Asian (other than the half-Asian chick who plays Colleen) reinforces that. All signs point to this being more akin to Daredevil in terms of how they'll treat references to Asian mysticism stuff.
TickleMeElbow
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Well that's shitty.
"Danny has to be white, if you want to see an Asian dude wait for Shang Chi!" people said.
Shang Chi not even in the show....
lol
lightskintwin
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Slayven as if the white experience hasn't been or continue to be thoroughly examined in media. C'mon Bruh, the white guy, black guy dynamic is as old as the buddy films. The white guy gets the ethnic chick is an old trope as well, which is funny because it looks like the white guy has yellow fever instead of jungle fever. We already have the white guy knows kung fu and beats up all the Asian people with Daredevil season 2, do we really need another one?
How often do you see the Asian American/Black American dynamic in media? Or Asian American identity or cultural issues in fitting in America, as well as Asia? How often do you see Asian American men in media with other ethnic women, yet alone an African American women?
At the very least, you gotta admit it's a missed opportunity. Matter of fact, I think there are more, fresh themes and subtext that could've been explored and presented had Danny Rand been cast as Asian American.
You guys also realize that it's not just the white-black dynamic, right?
Danny is the heir to the throne of every part of white privilege. His family is essentially Rockefeller money, a massive fortune that was made when only whites could make that sort of money. He's a pure blue-blood, not a drop of anything else in him. There is NO reason why he should grow up to be anything but another successful white billionaire heir.
Making him full or half ANY minority would give his character a connection that would make him becoming who he does, frankly, less meaningful.
I would say that Danny starts as Donald Trump Jr., but the Trumps don't have nearly the history of the Rands.
Danny is the heir to the throne of every part of white privilege. His family is essentially Rockefeller money, a massive fortune that was made when only whites could make that sort of money. He's a pure blue-blood, not a drop of anything else in him. There is NO reason why he should grow up to be anything but another successful white billionaire heir.
Making him full or half ANY minority would give his character a connection that would make him becoming who he does, frankly, less meaningful.
I would say that Danny starts as Donald Trump Jr., but the Trumps don't have nearly the history of the Rands.
lightskintwin
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Serious question, do you think that's more important than fixing Asian American representation and the cultural appropriation the comic is rooted in with a White Male protagonist as the kung fu hero within the context of all the White male superheroes that dominate media including Doctor Strange which has similar issues?
MHWilliams
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Actually, Rand-Meachum isn't an old money company.
Danny's father, Wendell Rand, built it after coming back from K'un L'un. Prior to that Wendell was a no-name scrub, who was taken in by the previous IF, Orson Randall.
As someone who's read Iron Fist from the olden days of yore, there's no reason for Danny to particularly be white, other than the fact that the character has been.
Adding onto Slayven's point, Danny's whiteness can make for unique perspectives on white privledge, norms, and black-white relations. If he's of East Asian descent, I think that puts a different lens on things. That's not better/worse inherently, but you do lose the commentary on black-white relations that are complementary to Luke Cage's experiences from the other side of that (and the limitless topics of conversation that can arise from that duality), and do also open up concerns of stereotyping. It's why we'll probably never see Shang Chi in the MCU.
For minorities, now is the time for new heroes that can stand on their own. Or at least heavily revised versions of existing, obscure heroes that pretty much only share a name for the 3-4 people who are aware of their existence. I genuinely appreciate all of the gender and race swapping of characters as it allows kids to better identify with characters and to not feel weird about dressing up as them because their skin/gender isn't the same, but there isn't a better time to start sowing the seeds for the next big heroes from nonblack minorities. This can start from within the MCU and then update the characters in the comics next.
How has India got 1.3 billion people and y'all not on this SMH. Also make sure the costumes aren't wack, because that's half the game.
For minorities, now is the time for new heroes that can stand on their own. Or at least heavily revised versions of existing, obscure heroes that pretty much only share a name for the 3-4 people who are aware of their existence. I genuinely appreciate all of the gender and race swapping of characters as it allows kids to better identify with characters and to not feel weird about dressing up as them because their skin/gender isn't the same, but there isn't a better time to start sowing the seeds for the next big heroes from nonblack minorities. This can start from within the MCU and then update the characters in the comics next.
How has India got 1.3 billion people and y'all not on this SMH. Also make sure the costumes aren't wack, because that's half the game.
CaviarMeths
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Given how well Marvel has handled the themes in Jessica Jones and Luke Cage, I'm confident that they can effectively handle white privilege as a theme in Iron Fist. Race swapping is cool and all, but Danny being white presents a unique opportunity within the Marvel continuity.
Edit: yeah what he said ^
Edit: yeah what he said ^
You say that as if the majority of MCU characters aren't already white. Nothing unique about it.
An Asian- American being an outsider in Asia and a glimpse into Asian-American life in America is a lot more unique and interesting than that.
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