Has a story like this with a source or sources in the IC been shown to be untrue? The media has shown a very good track record here.
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Guardian source: "They now have specific concrete... evidence of collusion"
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Has a story like this with a source or sources in the IC been shown to be untrue? The media has shown a very good track record here.
There's a big chunk of disillusioned Trumpets looking for a reason to dump him. I wish I could tell you they were disillusioned for good reason, but sadly many ofthem are bummed because a) they're easy marks b) Trump wasn't extreme enough c) Him being a Russian chimp would actually give them an out, and they could blame the establishment for "not spotting it" and frankly I'm fine with that. If those people become disillusioned with politics over this, it might be beneficial for them to stay out of the booths for a couple of cycles, since frankly they're voting against their own interests now.
Rentahamster
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Those aren't receipts of treason or collusion by Trump. You need something harder than that.
KernelPanic
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...goes-to-russia-s-money-laundromat-cyprus.html
Hey look more smoke.
Hey look more smoke.
Wilbur Ross was chairmen of the Bank of Cyprus. What a coincidence!
So far the Dossier and its contents have remained correct, as far as they go. The reporting by some outlets has been excellent - and in one case earned a Pulitzer. This is a long road and will take a long time to unravel. But unravel it will.
Ironically I think Trump's tax returns will be his central undoing if they go after him directly. He's already done enough to be impeached by a willing congress, but I'm betting his true finances show some direct links to Deutschebank and Russian lenders/financiers. I imagine the investigation is already well aware of what's in them.
Trump's behavior this last week is less like a pivot, and more like a kid who trashed his house in a party depserately trying to clean up before his parents get back from their business trip.
What a web Trump weaves.
Yup. And I think in the end Trump winning the presidency will be seen as the worst thing that could have happened to him and his friends. They might even resent Trump for being the mouse that caused the homeowner to put out the traps. This attention will ruin their lives, and I don't think they'll let him skate away.
I still can't fathom why the presidency was his goal.
What do you mean??
You have no idea of what evidence anybody has, so saying there is no evidence is nonsensical.
A black man once made fun of him.
Trump should have just not accepted the presidency and deferred to Hillary.
His brand is already tarnished forever imo. He didn't even want to win. It was meant to just be an elaborate marketing game.
It wasn't.
And people act like they don't understand why this is taking so long.
This ain't the FBI's first rodeo. They're not going to pop up and nail Carter Page or some other flunkie just because they can. This thing is going to be as close to ironclad as possible when it does hit, because the penalty for incomplete work is too high.
House and Senate committees are probably doing the same, just lagging behind a bit.
Isaac Otherworld
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I always had the impression that Trump didn't necessarily want the presidency. Him being blackmailed by Russia and being pressured tomake a real run at it makes that make a lot of sense. Alternatively, he could have just been an idiot and thought the presidency was like being Mr. USA and all you have to do is go to rallies where everyone is cheering you.
I feel like peoples definition of "evidence" has changed dramatically over the past several months.
Financial connections between Trump and Russian oligarchs or Russian officials is evidence.
Communications between Trump campaign officials and Russian officials is evidence.
Statements made my Trump and Trump campaign officials are evidence, as are statements that were proved to be lies.
Secret backdoor communication methods that are found out are evidence.
etc. etc.
At this point is really bugs me when someone says there is no "evidence," because it's just straight up bullshit. You can move the goalposts if you want, but all of the above is evidence, and would be used to build a case for collusion.
Financial connections between Trump and Russian oligarchs or Russian officials is evidence.
Communications between Trump campaign officials and Russian officials is evidence.
Statements made my Trump and Trump campaign officials are evidence, as are statements that were proved to be lies.
Secret backdoor communication methods that are found out are evidence.
etc. etc.
At this point is really bugs me when someone says there is no "evidence," because it's just straight up bullshit. You can move the goalposts if you want, but all of the above is evidence, and would be used to build a case for collusion.
What was it? He wouldn't have ran if it weren't and he stood to make more money lifting their sanctions.
He had enough time to back out if he didn't want it. Especially after he became the GOP candidate.
Fenderputty
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Money. Kushner is influencing his companion positions to be more accommodating for their families hotel branding expansion. There's all sorts of reports about conflicts of interest and how he didn't fully remove himself from the trust. There were all those reports that if he lost Trump news was coming.
What's most fascinating to me is that this old man has skated through life as a trust fund baby, grateful for nothing and respectful of no one who can't enhance his wealth or self esteem. He has received the rare golden ticket, and been as selfish with it as a man can likely be. And because none of it can ever be enough, he will likely end up being remembered as the worst American president of all time and die in jail. It's a damning portrait of humanity.
I think it's really one of those bumbling, progressively more dumb series of events that can only happen in real life. Like if someone wrote the story people would dismiss it as ridiculous. They all saw a way to make some money. The Russians worked with them with a little you scratch my back, etc etc type stuff with the goal of disrupting and influencing politics and sowing discord in the states. Their standard stuff. Then he won, and I would not at all be surprised if election night was much less fun inside all of their heads than they let on.
They want a crystal clear photo of Putin handing a disk marked "emails" to Trump in person.
Rentahamster
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The obvious and boring stuff is corroborated, but the stuff that matters? The pee pee stuff? I'm skeptical it will unravel much. If at all.
Maybe, but I'm still skeptical that it'll show much more out of the ordinary than what an international billionaire would have anyway.
It's interesting at how different a lot of other people's interpretations of Trump's behavior is different to my own. To me it just looks like work, doing what he's doing, albeit in a very unorthodox way, historically speaking.
I'm skeptical of this. Trump seems to be moving in a positive direction, although the ruination of his "friends" does apply to some people (e.g. Giuliani, Christie) but not all.
Exactly. Looking even at the basic facts of this case and collusion is almost a fargone conclusion.
I will say Treason probably gets thrown around too much though. There's a very specific definition of treason.
The only thing discussed in this case so far that could even possibly lead to treason charges is the apparent conspiracy to lift sanctions against Russia. Nothing else seems close.
EatinOlives
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Curious how Giuliani so very mysteriously vanished from public view after his "TRUMP TOTALLY ASKED ME TO MAKE A MULSIM BAN LEGAL" dumbass interview.
Rentahamster
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I can't.
Rentahamster
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Yes we can!
He became a permanent version of the Arthur clenched fist meme after Obama got Bin Laden killed, released the birth certificate, and then spiked the ball in the end zone at the Correspondents Dinner.
He's never been put in his place in his life, and here was some not super rich guy making him look like a fool. And he was black, to boot.
Like an asshole kid on the playground who swore revenge on the new kid who showed him up in kickball.
Lord Frieza
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That's exactly what it was. Trump always wanted to win. He didn't really want the job, but he wanted to win.
You don't know if the evidence the IC/FBI/Congress has is fire or smoke so what are you saying exactly?
Rentahamster
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I'm saying that we haven't seen fire yet, so acting like it's there is premature. If it turns out there isn't any, that does more harm to the opposition long term.
Specify. What is uncorrobated?
This may be because of a confirmation bias.
Nobody investigating this case is really speaking anything publicly, in one direction or the other. We the public are free to speculate to our heart's content. There is certainly enough being leaked to set off anybody's antennas.
Us on a forum board making these assumptions aren't going to hurt anything. But..we've heard Schiff state that he's seen evidence and the investigation looks to be chugging along.
Any Questions
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This is all i want to see. The rest would be icing on the cake.
David H Wong
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There is zero concrete evidence of that so far. It's all statements from unnamed sources and "connections" between the administration and people in Russia. I know you guys are eager to believe this stuff, but if there's enough hard evidence to stand up in court, it's being hidden from us.
Lord Frieza
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Prof. Bathtub
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Most folks who have been following this will say that the golden shower video matters least, since in a vacuum it has no connection to illegal hacking in exchange for sanction lifting. If other pieces are in place, its existence is immaterial.
QuantumZebra
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awww yis
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Man... people really do love it when bombs get dropped.
I think this could apply though:
It's also worth noting that the FBI is investigating "cooperation" specifically, knowing OR unknowing. It's already abundantly obvious that the Trump campaign, along with right-wing media outlets, cooperated with Russian propaganda. This was already discussed with the Senate Intel Comm in their first public hearing. Knowingly or unknowingly is the only question, but either way I'm fairly certain the FBI is going to give a very damaging assessment when all is said and done.
Example: Trump re-iterated false statements made that were ONLY published in a Sputnik article that was abruptly taken down. It was not found anywhere else in the world, and yet he used that article as a talking point. IMO that could be a clear example of knowing cooperation.
Lord Frieza
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And quietly defunds Planned Parenthood. Christ
Rentahamster
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The stuff in the dossier that make the dossier so attractive an issue for some people. Like the pee pee tape, for example.
I've said before that I'm aware that it could be. If it were, I wouldn't realize it because that's how confirmation bias works. All I'm asking is that others realize that they're just as susceptible too.
I've heard Schiff say a lot of ambiguous things. When the investigation is concluded, we'll see what comes of it. That's not the same as accepting the result you want in your head as a forgone conclusion.
And allows you to kill hibernating bears
Thanks for confirming that having a discussion with you is fruitless because you throw out anything that's happening because the end hasn't been reached. You're not saying anything at this point.
Prof. Bathtub
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But he didn't start a trade war with China, so he's really a moderate!
Rentahamster
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This is what I mean by a positive direction. (it's not exactly positive for me. This is an analysis of the general population). Let me quote myself from another thread.
You got the wrong message from my post. I'm not in favor of bombs being dropped.
Rentahamster
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"Throwing it out" is a weird way to interpret "Not jumping to conclusions based on as of yet no evidence of fire".
Lord Frieza
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Where are you getting this from lol. He remains just as divisive as ever.
How many Congressman have said "I've seen things that show collusion. People will go to jail"?
Like 4 or 5 now?
Prof. Bathtub
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The pundits like it or something. Ignore every poll, they don't matter post-November.
Rentahamster
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It may not be noticeable to you, but it's noticeable to me.
But again, as I acknowledged to rambis, this could very well be confirmation bias on my part. I'm always open to that possibility because I have a slightly more evolved monkey brain.
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