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Pentagon official:: There's compelling evidence that we might not be alone
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It's strange that this isn't bigger news.
Last week, the US government confirmed UFO cases were real and nobody seemed to care
Where can I read up on this?
Romulus
Member
Anything is possible but it was also confirmed via pilots account and video to operate at "physics defying" speeds.
I would argue that vast majority of you ufo reports are fake or profit based, yes.
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Soleil rouge
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Was your dad William Cooper?
synchronicity
Member
It's likely one of two things in my view.
Either aliens are/have been visiting and they are malevolent. The best we could hope for is indifference, which could still screw us.
Or another case of government creating problems to suit their "solutions".
Either aliens are/have been visiting and they are malevolent. The best we could hope for is indifference, which could still screw us.
Or another case of government creating problems to suit their "solutions".
Romulus
Member
Had to look him up. Kinda looks like him though.
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Soleil rouge
Member
I was actually joking, but Cooper described experiencing a similar situation in the intro to his book.
Texas Pride
Banned
No shit Pentagon. No shit.....
Tesseract
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Texas Pride
Banned
It's pure arrogance and folly to believe we're the only intelligent beings in the universe. The odds alone favor life elsewhere.
Airola
Member
To say it's arrogance and foolish if one thinks aliens don't exist is just a way to make someone think "damn, I don't want to be arrogant and fool so I guess I have to change my mind" and pressure them believe you.
The second sentence is much more compelling, although the supposed super high odds compared to the lack of actual sightings of actual confirmed aliens makes Fermi Paradox even more compelling.
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Ornlu
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True enough, however the leaked footage/documentation from military craft which then had to be later confirmed (IE why it's being talked about now) does not fall under the above criteria.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
I really got to give Mars Attacks a rewatch
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Has become a big joke. I don't believe in extraterrestrials, and I've studied this a lot. In my opinion the phenomenon we call extraterrestrial, is interdimensional. I don't believe there is a physical manifestation of it. I used to but I don't anymore.
Texas Pride
Banned
Take from it what ya will. I think arrogance of non believers and the stigma attached to people who do believe are counter productive to the truth. Throughout history and many civilizations events have been documented to have happened. I don't believe it's all bullshit.
Romulus
Member
That's another thing I thought about. In the eyes of scientists, the amount of earth like worlds just our galaxy just keeps rising. 70 years ago they thought it might be a few, 40 years ago maybe a few thousand. Now we modern tech, they believe it's in the billions in one galaxy out of BILLIONS of galaxies.
There could be up to 10 billion warm and cozy Earth-like planets in our home galaxy, new research reveals
Thanks to the Kepler telescope, scientists have enough data to estimate how many sun-like stars have Earth-like planets that could hold liquid water.
amp.businessinsider.com
Even if only 2 planets out of 10 billion have intelligent life that would be they're potentially billions of civilizations out there. Lol
epicnemesis
Member
Universe is too big for it to be extra terrestrial. Better chance of it being inter dimensional.
Texas Pride
Banned
That's another thing I thought about. In the eyes of scientists, the amount of earth like worlds just our galaxy just keeps rising. 70 years ago they thought it might be a few, 40 years ago maybe a few thousand. Now we modern tech, they believe it's in the billions in one galaxy out of BILLIONS of galaxies.
There could be up to 10 billion warm and cozy Earth-like planets in our home galaxy, new research reveals
Thanks to the Kepler telescope, scientists have enough data to estimate how many sun-like stars have Earth-like planets that could hold liquid water.amp.businessinsider.com
Even if only 2 planets out of 10 billion have intelligent life that would be they're potentially billions of civilizations out there. Lol
Most people don't think that deep but you're right. It's easier for people to believe were alone because it keeps them tethered to their version of reality. Some people mentally couldn't handle having their entire existence turned upside down which is one reason imo the truth has been hidden by governments the world over. They fear the truth in ordinary peoples hands they rely on control and if the truth comes out they lose control.
Ornlu
Banned
Hey, if we get a couple hundred years of research farther in QE; who knows how easy or hard it will be to connect Point A to Point B over vast distances.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
The leaked footage is even worse quality than what we have before, and the "documentation" from military craft is witness reports, correct? I'm not an all-or-nothing guy. I openly admit there are quite a few unexplained coincidences and strange reports, but we also know that some are faked. There's also no Philip K Dickian 'Men in Black' shushing these reports or trying to bury them. That could arguably be said about UFO reporting in the Cold War era, which further cements my belief that these "sightings" are part hysteria and part
Also:
Not to be trite but the real tragedy here is these military men are making reports in good faith believing they saw something while they may actually be suffering from PTSD delusions. Again, I am not trying to disparage our vets or handwave every single report as PTSD, but it is yet another factor that must be considered.
From my perspective, as we add up all these factors (Cold War secrecy, human fallibility, hoaxes, PTSD) we approach 0% chance that the UFO sightings are real. Aliens might still be real, but the sightings are their own issue, I want to stress that point..
UFO believers love to cite the Drake equation, which adds up a bunch of variables and assigns arbitrary likelihood to them. The assertion is that because of the vastness of space, the chance of extraterrestrial life approaches 1. Well, there are just as many negative factors against alien existence and against the plausibility of UFO sightings.
I don't think we need the Drake equation to answer the question, anyway. The answer to this question is moreso a reflection of one's paradigm and beliefs.
If we are the result of random genetic iteration, then the chance of humans randomly being the first star-gazing intelligent life is basically zero. We haven't discovered any non-biological characteristic of earth that cannot be theoretically found elsewhere in the universe. Our moon is unusual, our magnetosphere is quite helpful, our position in the solar system is fortuitous, but none of these elements taken separately are unique in the universe. Possibly, earth is the only one where all the necessary elements for life line up, but I don't know many people who take that stance. This being the case, it seems likely that live would have also spontaneously generated in other parts of the universe, and given the vastness of the universe and the age of the universe this random process would've probably taken place on many other planets, too. So the thinking goes as to why life must exist out there.
If we are not random, then a non-human entity created us, also proving the existence of extraterrestial life. Whether this extraterrestrial life is the creator of the universe (God) or an advanced species or even "the simulation", taking the standpoint that we are not random obviously implies some kind of non-human intelligence is out there affecting things.
The stance that makes no sense is that humans randomly evolved yet are the only life in the universe. I've read some very compelling arguments as to why that may be the case (Rare Earth), but from a cosmological standpoint there is nothing special whatsoever about earth. Even if our planet is so unique it is one in 10 trillion, there would still be trillions of earths out there. Heck, we aren't even sure if earth is the best planet for supporting life. It's obviously pretty good, but there may be paradise worlds out there that are even better-suited to supporting life than earth. Who knows?
This is a bit closer to how I see things.
Pagusas
Elden Member
Some form of an antigravity and dampening tech would easily solve those issues, but be something we aren’t even aware could exist in reality.
Thurible
Member
I feel a bit mean for saying such things, but I always find the alien question to be irrational. When stories come out like this where someone sees an unidentified flying object it always seems like someone jumps to "aliens" rather than more reasonable solutions such as natural phenomenon, misremembering, faulty equipment or not simply being able to gather the proper data, normal or experimental aircraft seen in unusual circumstances, etc. I mean what is more likely; beings coming from another solar system, or someone screwing up somehow? The supernatural shouldn't be the go to answer for something strange.
Sorry for the rant, it just seems irrational to me to believe in things like aliens, ghosts, and the like just because something may be difficult to explain or understand.
Sorry for the rant, it just seems irrational to me to believe in things like aliens, ghosts, and the like just because something may be difficult to explain or understand.
Airola
Member
I tend to think it's not biological and physical but it's more metaphysical and more about visions and stuff like that. It's what people encounter in sleep paralysis and sometimes in dreams and visions. World of ideas is real, and entities from that reality sometimes manifest here in different ways.
The energy that was before time began contained everything as a living potential. We are a physical biological manifestation of some of that potential. We were supposed to be the image of the perfect personal power that let potential become this reality but we messed up big time. We are connected to the original potential by toughts and emotions, dreams and visions. And sometimes things from that reality appears in ours in varied forms and ways.
Yeah, my view on aliens is even nuttier than any basic extraterrestrial theories
But that's what happens when biological extraterrestrial life doesn't have that much actual real evidence even though the odds for that should be amazingly high and there has been insane amount of time for alien civilizations to spread around the universe, but then again we know people do see visions and have super real feeling sleep paralysis experiences and out of body experiences and stuff like that. I mean, it's obviously debatable if those experiences are real or just hallucinations without any connection to anything metaphysical, but if I should believe in aliens, I would say they are more likely based on that type of things instead of in biological reality.
Romulus
Member
Could also be former biological beings that have transcended in some way or another through dimensions or into robotic or pure energy forms. Like uploading their conscious to the cloud.
Nothing is out of the question when discussing a potential civilization that is thousands or millions of years ahead of us. They might have been through dozens of metamorphoses over the course of time, just like we're slowly beginning with primitive smartphones to cyborg tech. Most humans can only grasp what we might look like in a hundred or thousand years, but what about a million? 50 million? It's possible there are civilizations millions of years beyond us that look and operate absolutely nothing like the way they did.
Cyperpunk 2077 for us could look like cave man days to them.
Nothing is out of the question when discussing a potential civilization that is thousands or millions of years ahead of us. They might have been through dozens of metamorphoses over the course of time, just like we're slowly beginning with primitive smartphones to cyborg tech. Most humans can only grasp what we might look like in a hundred or thousand years, but what about a million? 50 million? It's possible there are civilizations millions of years beyond us that look and operate absolutely nothing like the way they did.
Cyperpunk 2077 for us could look like cave man days to them.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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At the end of the day I am all alone though.
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Skyfox
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The lack of sonic boom is interesting. The videos don’t seem to show any movement of the air by the UFO despite its speed.
Seems more like a projection in the same way we would distract a cat with a laser (even though the object appears to us to be three dimensional) except that it seems to have moved slower through water.
If it is physical rather than some kind of perfect holographic projection, It seems to be able to manipulate the surrounding atmosphere in a way that compensates for its own movement or else it has some kind of aero dynamic arrangement that we can’t imagine.
Strange.
I like the re-creation of the movements though. Kind of like how a cursor can jump around with a computer mouse. So it’s not completely unintuitive. If it experienced friction the way we do then it would be expected to have a more obvious acceleration and deceleration.
Maybe they rub some kinda exotic space grease on the hull
Seems more like a projection in the same way we would distract a cat with a laser (even though the object appears to us to be three dimensional) except that it seems to have moved slower through water.
If it is physical rather than some kind of perfect holographic projection, It seems to be able to manipulate the surrounding atmosphere in a way that compensates for its own movement or else it has some kind of aero dynamic arrangement that we can’t imagine.
Strange.
I like the re-creation of the movements though. Kind of like how a cursor can jump around with a computer mouse. So it’s not completely unintuitive. If it experienced friction the way we do then it would be expected to have a more obvious acceleration and deceleration.
Maybe they rub some kinda exotic space grease on the hull
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
I love the idea of UFOs.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Every day thousands of "Paranormal Events" are witnessed and most are captured through video, audio or image. 99.999% of those are debunked in just the way you describe. That doesn't mean that .001% (like the videos mentioned in OP) are so easily debunked though. Especially when the military says they are legit...
Its funny when normies see a video like this and assume its all that came out "that day" and we never debunk anything. Its almost as annoying as people who believe everything is true.
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Romulus
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Just curious, but on what exactly? Everyone, including the pilots, radar operators are all lying and/or actors about the same event?
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infinitys_7th
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It is undeniable at this point that there are large objects doing things that are currently impossible for our technology. They move far to fast for materials to handle and dive in and out of the ocean at high speed, which is only possible of they are bending space or using a field to repel matter. No object is going to survive shooting into the ocean at high speed unless it is moving water around it such that it never interacts with the water through collision or drag. We can barely do that even in air.
But that does not mean aliens, just more advanced technology. Of course, people somehow get more annoyed at discussing breakaway civilizations than ET magically finding Earth in the whole of the universe so
The military wants you to think these are alien craft - that has always been the cover. Look up instead of around you.
Projections do not show up on radar or sonar. It is interacting with the environment, and those measurement corroborate the eyewitnesses.
But that does not mean aliens, just more advanced technology. Of course, people somehow get more annoyed at discussing breakaway civilizations than ET magically finding Earth in the whole of the universe so
The military wants you to think these are alien craft - that has always been the cover. Look up instead of around you.
Projections do not show up on radar or sonar. It is interacting with the environment, and those measurement corroborate the eyewitnesses.
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Romulus
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It is undeniable at this point that there are large objects doing things that are currently impossible for our technology. They move far to fast for materials to handle and dive in and out of the ocean at high speed, which is only possible of they are bending space or using a field to repel matter. No object is going to survive shooting into the ocean at high speed unless it is moving water around it such that it never interacts with the water through collision or drag. We can barely do that even in air.
But that does not mean aliens, just more advanced technology. Of course, people somehow get more annoyed at discussing breakaway civilizations than ET magically finding Earth in the whole of the universe so
The military wants you to think these are alien craft - that has always been the cover. Look up instead of around you.
Projections do not show up on radar or sonar. It is interacting with the environment, and those measurement corroborate the eyewitnesses.
The gulf in technology just seems too vast if its human. I just have trouble wrapping my mind around all these different advancements in one compact package. That's the key, a multitude of advancements beyond our understanding. I could understand a new powerful engine etc but it's far beyond that.
This thing is incredibly efficient. It took years to get the F35 going and it's still has problems and you're telling me we're somehow operating these secret craft that are dozens of times more capable, for decades? Even if you give our secret programs alot of credit, it still doesnt add up to me. The SR-71 was lightyears beyond anything we had, super secret and everything about it made sense despite the advancements. These things don't, layers of technology that are unexplainable.
No sonic booms, submersion, cloaking, G forces that would melt known alloys and kill humans instantly.
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Thurible
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The military never said it was aliens though, just that it is a fast moving unidentified object that moved strangely and is shaped oddly. That does not necessarily mean extraterristrials are at play here.
I have reservations with the paranormal, as I believe we live in a scientific world of reason and cause and effect. I think assuming things happen because of powerful unseen forces like ghosts or aliens is not conducive to a rational society.
V2Tommy
Member
That is at odds with intelligence. Apex predators gotta eat. Aliens wouldn’t have such mundane requirements. Take food out of the equation and most creatures aren’t dangerous, let alone if they’re extremely intelligent.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
And what other intelligent species behavior examples to compare it to? And what other non-Earth life form do we have to compare it to? Your points of reference are insufficient.
Winter John
Gold Member
What is the more likely explanation for these craft - That they're the product of a civilisation so advanced they travel millions of light years into our galaxy just to steal cattle. Or that they're the product of Governments and private companies around the world who have spent decades and ungodly amounts of cash researching and investing in new technologies?
infinitys_7th
Member
Is this supposed to be a "gotcha"? I'm not an ETH supporter. That is pretty clear when I made fun of the idea of aliens somehow finding Earth when we barely have 100 years of signal history.
And there is a a much better option than either of those - another human civilization that is ahead of us. I could guess at more esoteric sources, but a breakaway civilization is most likely given the evidence and situation.
Grand Theft Scratchy
Banned
I've always liked the concept of aliens and UFOs. However, I believe that we were never visited by extraterrestrial life, whether recently or long ago during ancient times. There has never been enough proof to state definitively that these unidentified flying objects are from another world, much less that there's some ongoing conspiracy like in The X-Files (which I love watching but it's still a work of fiction). There are also far less reported sightings in the past few decades.
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What A Shame...
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I don't understand why the confirmation was remotely interesting to begin with. The government announcing that they don't know everything isn't really breaking news.It's strange that this isn't bigger news.
Last week, the US government confirmed UFO cases were real and nobody seemed to care
infinitys_7th
Member
Is radar and pilot corroboration not good enough? Oh, right. Everyone's lying.
The "cameras everywhere" fallacy is really tiring. Even the best cameras would have difficulty capturing a far off object in the sky, let alone a light in the night sky. Cellphone cameras are not up to it.
Most of these military encounters also occur out at sea, which further hinders people taking photos. If we take this characteristic as part of the "true" phenomenon rather than the pop culture phenomenon, then it is associated with the ocean, and thus very few people would even be exposed to it.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Probably just a drop of water from the atmosphere that ran down the lens.
Many times i think we're in the middle of an invasion when i'm staring out of a rainy car window at night with various light reflections refracting through the rainy car window.
These 'sightings' are probably the above.
Either way i'm just happy the aliens are keeping their distance if its all true. I have enough stress dealing with stupid human beings at work.
iconmaster
Banned
The most intelligent species on earth is the most destructive and capable of the worst cruelties. What if cruelty increases with intelligence?
“Aliens wouldn’t have such mundane requirements.” Because they all switched to Soylent? What a weird thing to be certain of.
None of us has any better basis for comparison than humans. Insufficient, yes; but I wouldn’t discount it.
Romulus
Member
Lens? He was talking about radar.
It was tracked on the most sophisticated radar the navy has at 25,000mph and seen with F-18 IR scopes and 4 pilots, not to mention sonar when it plunged underwater.
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JareBear: Remastered
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But Eddie Bravo taught me that space isn’t real.
(No in all seriousness I’m pretty convinced there is life out there that has made contact with our atmosphere at some point)
(No in all seriousness I’m pretty convinced there is life out there that has made contact with our atmosphere at some point)
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MetalAlien
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No fucking aliens have visited earth, nor will they ever visit. Aliens might be out there but they are not even in the same galaxy.
If a UFO lands on the whitehouse lawn tomorrow it's humans from the future.
If a UFO lands on the whitehouse lawn tomorrow it's humans from the future.